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Old 09-10-2017, 08:03 PM
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It was fantastic. Surprisingly low on the terror but high on the creepy factor. Great cast, especially Sophia Lillis as Beverly. I'm not sure who the color person was but there's some beautiful shots.

I prefer this version of Pennywise over Tim Curry's.
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Old 09-11-2017, 02:11 PM
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Went to the bathroom partway through IT.


Anyway, I liked it. Never saw the original.
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Old 09-11-2017, 02:13 PM
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Went to the bathroom partway through IT.
I wouldn't go into that stall. They probably left a floater.
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Old 09-11-2017, 09:09 PM
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Tickled is documentary investigating a company that produces videos where young men star in homoerotic tickle videos (no nudity, but it's definitely porn), and then when people quit the videos the company harasses them and their family. The harassment is truly egregious, the company is very shady, and the documentary is interesting to watch.

But at the same time, it feels like that by focusing so much on one person behind the company as a villain, it kind of misses the point that this all exists in a larger context of terrible working conditions and harassment for sex workers and porn-stars in general. There's no question that this behavior is especially bad, but also this kind of harassment, coercion, and blackmail isn't just a problem because of one bad actor who wants to watch athletic young men tickling each other in adidas gym shorts.

I get that the ostensibly quirky theme of the movie is important to make it an attention grabbing documentary instead of a lecture no one wants to watch about abuse in the porn industry. I probably never would have heard about it if it was the latter type of movie. I just think they could have made at least a brief nod in the conclusion of the movie to the larger problem, but instead at the end they narrow down to this all being about one villain.
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Old 09-13-2017, 07:53 AM
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Saw It last night. It's as good as they say. The book still ranks among my favorite things I've ever read, and this film hit all the same emotional beats that put it there for me - something I can't say about the old miniseries.

I didn't find the film to be terrifying, but it still had some good creepy moments for me. Some of you have been talking about the jump scare tendency in Hollywood: here's a good video that talks about why they tend to be so weak. I felt like they were rather weak in this film too, but that's OK. Everything else made up for it.

How on earth are they going to find an adult cast that matches the quality of this one?

Also something I noted: Isn't it interesting how all of the children's fears except for Bev's and perhaps Mike's are rooted in fiction? They have to face their fears throughout the movie by tearing down the fiction (Georgie is dead; "the pills are gazebos," etc.). Bev is the only one who faces her fear by destroying her reality. You could possibly read Mike in the same way, but it depends on if you interpret his fear as exactly what he describes (a traumatic memory of his parents' death) or as something you witness (Derry's history of racism embodied by Henry Bowers, who Mike throws down the well).
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Old 09-13-2017, 10:52 AM
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It did jump scares fairly well, I thought. They were kept to a minimum and things like the legless kid hanging from hooks after the boys opened the door were choreographed enough that I felt they didn't qualify as jump scares.
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Old 09-13-2017, 11:07 AM
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I think the scares work so well in It because there's a lot of different kinds of them in rapid succession. Whoever did the editing for the movie has to be kind of a sadist because it really felt relentless for like 2/3rds of the movie.
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Old 09-15-2017, 07:38 AM
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Watched Chaplin's Limelight (a self-reflective movie he made in the '50s) last night, and it turns out the finale features an extended routine with Buster Keaton. I didn't realize this onscreen pairing ever happened, and apparently it was the only time.

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Old 09-15-2017, 08:58 AM
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The Incredible Hulk is streaming on HBO. I don't have to buy it anymore!

Anyway, it's pretty inessential. Nothing happens there that the Avengers doesn't cover: the Hulk exists; has hulkly capabilities and problems. It's not an origin story. (good) I like that the Hulk's ex's new boyfriend isn't evil. I will say the Hulk is really vicious in this movie; perhaps more so than in the Avengers. (have completely forgotten those films, though) Rips a dude's humerus out and stabs him with it, among other things.

Lots of random things are green in this movie (drinks, motel signs) which I'm not sure a modern Marvel house style movie would do. Guess we'll never know~
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Old 09-16-2017, 09:24 AM
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It

I liked it! Very much in the Raimi Spook a Blast vein. That said: everything was a bit too done up. Pennywise's obviously evil eyes, cracked face paint, marilyn manson leer, plus the house is like a Resident Evil stage. And it was rad, but like a seasonal haunted house attraction.

Now I haven't seen the mini series in like forever, but the power in that was in it's painful banality. Pennywise didn't look like he was some Evil Within dlc, he looked like a dude in grease paint. And that is part of why Curry's performance is terrifying: common place fucking Gacy shit.

Anyway: 8/10!
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Old 09-16-2017, 09:57 PM
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I liked it! Very much in the Raimi Spook a Blast vein. That said: everything was a bit too done up. Pennywise's obviously evil eyes, cracked face paint, marilyn manson leer, plus the house is like a Resident Evil stage. And it was rad, but like a seasonal haunted house attraction.

Now I haven't seen the mini series in like forever, but the power in that was in it's painful banality. Pennywise didn't look like he was some Evil Within dlc, he looked like a dude in grease paint. And that is part of why Curry's performance is terrifying: common place fucking Gacy shit.

Anyway: 8/10!
I agree with all of this. It was really great to see a mainstream horror movie with some damn good writing, pacing and acting amidst the 'seasonal haunted house attraction' aesthetic (a phrase I'm going to be stealing from now on) but it still stands out like a sore thumb.

But the cast is great, the scares are rooted not just in being well directed and thought out but also in that it feels like the kids are in legitimate danger at all times, heightening the thrill.

A couple things did stick in my craw though:


It's been pointed out a couple of times but the erasure of Mike.
The added back story from the original miniseries is great but he disappears for a good portion of the movie, he doesn't really get a satisfying arc and his function as the historian is given over to Ben. I get what they were going for with him taking out Henry but it feels mostly disconnected from the plot,
his personality or the conflict they set up with his dad at the beginning.
He's sort of a nothing character, one step down even from GhostBusters 1 Winston.

The other thing was the weird sexualization of Bev. I thought she was a great character and a big step up from the miniseries and I get that she's the object of affection for a bunch young, straight boys despite her own strengths but that was clearly apparent in the movie without a slow motion shot of a pre-teen girl stripping.


Still really enjoyed it! Eight out of ten sounds about right.
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Old 09-16-2017, 10:00 PM
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that sure was an Aronofsky

maybe too Aronofsky

but hell i'm gonna be thinking about it for weeks

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NOT for anyone even remotely squeamish. NOT for anyone who might have anxiety, especially about about crowds, strangers, noise, or body horror. I can't even count how many trigger warnings to attach to it. No jump scares, just straight up horror. Not psychological or supernatural horror, though. It's emotionally horrifying, and literally dreadful. Once things start going bad, they don't stop. You need a very clear head, and an extremely open mind, to absorb Aronofsky's extremely dense symbolism and allegory, because otherwise you get stuck with the visuals at face value and they're way too much to bear.

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Old 09-17-2017, 07:01 PM
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I didn't particularly like Conan the Barbarian, yet I still felt oddly compelled to rewatch it. Fortunately, it seems to be the sort of movie that improved somewhat on rewatch

It would be even more fortunate it the movie were about 40% faster. Dang thing has lots of long shots of nothing happening, and very slowly. Which is weird as, for the most part, it's not so much a movie so much as its a truncated dramatic reading of a long, complicated D&D campaign. There's little character work and little going on in terms of plot (I genuinely forgot why anyone except Conan wanted to go after Thulsa until it came up again about 90 minutes later), but the movie wanted to focus on some crazy sets and costume work so that complemented it nicely.

About half the movie, every moment that didn't involve Thulsa Doom in some way or another, felt like a bizarre fever dream.
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Old 09-17-2017, 07:20 PM
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Dr. Strange felt light and insubstantial. Like, I watched it, then it ended, and I went "Oh, was that the movie?" The action scenes were creative and interesting but I never really felt like I was going along for the ride. No characters to speak of, no emotion or engagement, plot points blown through at high speed to get through it all. It was pure fluff.
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Old 09-17-2017, 08:23 PM
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that sure was an Aronofsky

maybe too Aronofsky

but hell i'm gonna be thinking about it for weeks

OK, to be a little less glib:

NOT for anyone even remotely squeamish. NOT for anyone who might have anxiety, especially about about crowds, strangers, noise, or body horror. I can't even count how many trigger warnings to attach to it. No jump scares, just straight up horror. Not psychological or supernatural horror, though. It's emotionally horrifying, and literally dreadful. Once things start going bad, they don't stop. You need a very clear head, and an extremely open mind, to absorb Aronofsky's extremely dense symbolism and allegory, because otherwise you get stuck with the visuals at face value and they're way too much to bear.
Not reading spoilers, but i'm so pumped to see this.
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Old 09-17-2017, 08:31 PM
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Taking the Juggalo March as opportunity to rewatch Hellaware. It's a tight 75 micro-indie that's mostly a shaggy-dog story with a great punchline, but I also found it to be a good class-conscious character study with some great little moments. I wish that it got more traction when it came out.

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Old 09-17-2017, 10:28 PM
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no emotion or engagement
The general plot is pretty straightforward and unoriginal, yeah, but Stephen's entire character arc is spot-on, considering his original line of work. The way he redefines himself and grows as a professional throughout the movie is brilliant. I guess it's telling (and sad) that it doesn't come across for non-medical audiences, but goddammit if you can see it, it's a thing of wonder. That guy's journey is the emotional core of the film.

If I could, I'd dissect (no pun intended) this movie with medical students. Hell, I'd make it required viewing.
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Tell me more. I want to hear about the secret doctor symbolism in that movie.
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Yeah, I'm all ears.
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Old 09-18-2017, 01:16 AM
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Yeah, I'm all ears.
It should be a hands-on analysis, but I don't know if there's enough time for one.
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Old 09-18-2017, 01:29 AM
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It is even better on repeated viewings. I know The Last Jedi will likely take my MotY but It is easily the best film I've seen this year.
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About half the movie, every moment that didn't involve Thulsa Doom in some way or another, felt like a bizarre fever dream.
Conan the Barbarian trips people up because they expect an Arnold action picture, not Milius/Stone New Hollywood pulp.
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I think my favourite scene was about midway through the movie, after Conan and Friends stole the jewel and engaged in what Mako described as "a night of revelry beyond any they had experienced" which seemed to consist of Conan being given a succession of silly hats. Later in the next scene, he's wearing what appears to be some rope, arranged in a vaguely shirt-like shape.

Leads me to assume that the only things people did for fun in the Hyborean Age, besides commit murder and hop into orgies, was buy and wear the most ridiculous outfits they could find.
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Yeah, I'm all ears.

It's not really symbolism, it's just cues and nods to the general state of mind of many doctors throughout their careers, but they're all over the movie. I don't know if it's intentional or not, but it nails pretty much all of them.

I'd be down for a wider commentary on this, but this week is crazy at work and I'd need to watch it again. I'd love to do it this weekend, though.
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that sure was an Aronofsky

maybe too Aronofsky

but hell i'm gonna be thinking about it for weeks

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NOT for anyone even remotely squeamish. NOT for anyone who might have anxiety, especially about about crowds, strangers, noise, or body horror. I can't even count how many trigger warnings to attach to it. No jump scares, just straight up horror. Not psychological or supernatural horror, though. It's emotionally horrifying, and literally dreadful. Once things start going bad, they don't stop. You need a very clear head, and an extremely open mind, to absorb Aronofsky's extremely dense symbolism and allegory, because otherwise you get stuck with the visuals at face value and they're way too much to bear.
Hito and I saw it last night! A 6pm showing on a Monday evening, and we were the only two in the theater, something that's never happened to us before. So that was weird.

I agree with every word of your post. It was very Aronofsky. The acting was fantastic all around, I love the main cast and each of them did a great job.

Hito flipped the screen off and practically sprinted out of the theater the moment the end credits rolled, something I've never seen him do before! He hated the movie. I think... it sure was an Aronofsky movie! Pretty much what I expected after requiem/black swan and watching the preview for this. Does what it says on the tin.
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Old 09-19-2017, 08:47 PM
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I didn't watch Black Swan but I did enjoy Pi and Requiem for a Dream. I may try to see mother! before it leaves theaters but I don't know anyone else that's interested. It's most certainly not the kind of thing Lady Four-so watches. (I convinced her to watch It. She was not pleased with me. )
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There's a scene in mother! that's so audacious and... well, horrifying that many people would find it reprehensible. MovieBob's review on Geek.com is absolutely perfect --and he's right, THAT scene is the kind of scene that gets movies banned in entire countries. The movie telegraphs it as hard as it can; given the context, you KNOW what's going to happen, you just don't know HOW it will happen. And the HOW is graphic and unashamed of itself. Many people at my showing hated the movie for it.
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I'm not in a place where I can deal with horror in general or that kind of horror in particular, but part of what has drawn me back to Aronofsky over the years is his sense of when to flip the switch from looming dread to a moment of white-hot terror and disgust.
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Just to be absolutely clear, I'm going to add some trigger warnings so people know what they're getting into, but mind that they will naturally include spoilers. If you're worried about TW but don't want to be spoiled, I'll repeat what I said above: the movie instills very high anxiety, dread, and emotional suffering on innocent parties. It also has gore and visual violence that is as brief as it is graphic. It aims to be unsettling and disturbing and succeeds beyond anything you might expect.

TWs for mother!:

Domestic abuse.
Violence on women (emotional, psychological, physical, sexual, violence by neglect/negligence).
Abusive relationships.
Loud noises and strobing lights.
War-like imagery.
Police brutality.
Body horror (burned/charred bodies, transformation, cannibalism)
Graphic murder.
Mounting stress/anxiety without catharsis.
Substance abuse.


The two big ones, if you read these you'll know what the climax is before the movie is halfway over, "would get movie banned in other countries":
Infant abuse.
Graphic infant death.


And the thing is, my favorite Aronofsky movie is The Fountain, which is a very low-key, quiet, introspective, and downright beautiful movie about the nature of mourning and the cycle of life and death and what the value of life itself is. It's the polar opposite of mother! and nowhere NEAR as angry or raw despite being just as vintage Aronofsky.
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I cannot comprehend. I was going to come in here to say how disappointed I was that Turbo Kid wasn't as whimsical as it looked and ended up just having a bunch of stupid blood and gore, so I turned it off after about 15 minutes. Now just reading about this mother movie has given me an upset stomach. Super cool.
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