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Old 09-09-2017, 01:26 PM
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I wrote a much longer version of this somewhere else, but whatever. Full season spoilers: the heavy focus on familial abuse as social conditioning and the universal struggle to cope really comes together after the illusions of family in other seasons, and compensates well for essentially new characters coming into the main arc's spotlight. The standard Episode 11 left me in tears because of a moment of generosity and kindness at the very end, which really speaks to the extremely desperate hope that runs through the series' endless despair. In contrast, this season's supporting cast all lack twists or connections beyond their standard heartstabbing tragedy / shenanigans, which feels a little like a missed opportunity. I hope there's one last season, so that Diane (and to a lesser extent, PC) get a chance at the resolution and turn-around Bojack got after all previous three seasons of misery.

Also, the intrusive thoughts episode and the dementia nostalgia episode are both incredible in their raw nature. The season overall is much more 'zany' than seasons 2 and 3 were, but it definitely still has its edge.
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Old 09-10-2017, 03:16 PM
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I continue to be blown away and surprised by this show again and again without fail.

I was honestly in tears at the very end just to take in a whole season of Bojack really genuinely trying. He wasn't fixed. He wasn't better, but he spent this season working on healing the poison in his heart instead of running from it and it shows. And it makes the moment at the end of Hollyhock welcoming him into her heart as her brother feel so damned earned.

After the ruthless gutpunch that was the end of Season 3, this was much needed. It's always been a show about that little flicker of hope surrounded by a miasma of cynicism but it's wonderful of them to spend some time nurturing that flame for real.
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Old 09-10-2017, 06:26 PM
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Wow. Why is this the greatest show ever?
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Old 09-10-2017, 08:35 PM
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It's really hard to need people. that killed me.

Trauma is generational. Man. What a season.
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Old 09-11-2017, 07:04 AM
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Roasts gross me out entirely, but I love an unflattering cameo/extended recurring role. Glad 2 have Jessica Biel back.
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Old 09-11-2017, 07:10 AM
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Thought for sure with all the shit going on in my life that this would be too depressing to watch right now but its actually been really good. I still can't really fathom how this show turned out so great, much less continue to be great.
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Old 09-11-2017, 08:53 AM
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I let Ruthie suck me in, only to be crushed by the ending.

I should know better by now, but I guess that's the point.
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Old 09-11-2017, 11:14 AM
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It happens to all of us
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Old 09-14-2017, 03:01 AM
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Just finished the season last night and goddamn this show.

The requisite Episode 11 wasn't as severe an emotional gut-punch as Season 3's, or at least, it wasn't the same kind of emotional gut-punch. It still messed me right up because my grandmother's mind has been lost to Alzheimer's and dementia for some time now, and that crap's hereditary so I'm likely looking at doing it again with my Mother, and probably me someday.

Episode 12 brought everything together, though, at least for Bojack. That last scene, holy crap, Bojack's smile, this show has made me feel so happy for Cartoon Horse Man, as incremental as his self-improvement is.

Still not sure how I feel about the way he treated his mother, though, since it seems like he still left her in that craphole of a facility. Yes, she treated him monstrously, and even if we know it was all she was really capable of doing Bojack still doesn't know that, and he was still pissed about her driving Hollyhock away. He may have left her with a happy memory in Episode 11, and that was rather touching, but it would have been more touching if he had found a better place for her. But Bojack's gonna Bojack, even when he's doing better.

Oh, and I started to suspect a twist coming about Hollyhock early in the season, and I thought my suspicions confirmed when Chekov's parcel arrived, but I had it a bit wrong. I thought, somehow, Bojack's mother was Hollyhock's mother, despite how improbable that would have been at her age. I wasn't expecting the twist that Bojack's dad slept with their maid, but I suppose I really should have.
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Old 09-14-2017, 07:57 AM
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Working on this season, and the Ralph/Carolyn trying to conceive bits are absolutely perfect.

Taking a while to process the Sugarman cabin episode. Bojack is a hard show to watch because the horse himself is such an unreliable point of view, but his broken perspective is presented with authority. Between that and how the early, idyllic scenes of the Sugarman family hit sitcom beats perfectly, I'm left unmoored. I can't trust what I'm seeing, and I think that may be the point.
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Old 09-14-2017, 07:01 PM
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Holy crap, but "Thoughts and Prayers" filled my cold black heart with pure joy.
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Old 09-14-2017, 11:58 PM
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So I burned through seasons 3 and 4 recently.

3 was, I think, too much (man) for me. It took the normal schtick and dragged it down into emotional torture porn and cosmic cruelty without, so far as I could tell, offering any new insight or depth to it that the previous 2 seasons hadn't already done. It was Bojack is Still Awful and Still Fucks Everything Up, Again, But More and Worse Than Ever, and it was just kinda too heavy without earning it? Maybe it was (Except for the underwater episode, which was delightful.)

I finished season 3, completely coincidentally, one or two days before season 4 started. I honestly wasn't sure I wanted to keep going, but the timing was right, it was there on my netflix page and people were talking about it and the ending credits song was still stuck in my head, so I sucked it up and dove in, and... I think it ended up being my favorite season. I'm not sure why, but the thought I had is that while it's as much a tragedy as ever, this time it was so with more pathos. By the end of season 3, I had lost the ability to care about our broken "hero" anymore - I'd just come to expect more awful stuff, whatever that might be. But the new family dynamics really brought a different angle to the series and really delved into a new and largely unexplored angle of Bojack's brokenness. And while it didn't compromise on the darkness and pain, it did so in a much more emotionally heart-wrenching way instead of the typical nihilism. Giving Bojack's life the littlest glimpse of light in Hollyhock was I think a good decision. And while the last scene was leading so clearly to the last line with little to no ambiguity, I found myself quite surprised when the last word still made me burst suddenly into tears. Also, Princess Carolyn had some amazing work this season,
which was just so heartbreaking but effective, and even Todd got a bit of interesting development. And the Diane/MPB arc was really hard to watch in a really effective, slow-motion way.

Meanwhile, I think my favorite takeaway running joke was the Courtney Portnoy wordplay.

So yeah. Really well done.
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Old 09-22-2017, 06:19 PM
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Finally finished. This is a good show to take in slowly.

I can't believe how good this show is at making a horrible person relatable. It's hard to think of an episode of TV that hit home for me more than "Stupid Piece of Sh*t." The best explorations of depression are the ones that engender empathy while also showing how depression can turn us into cruel monsters.

I love how quietly the show explores asexuality without ever making a big deal about it. It just slots it in and moves on.

Auuuuugh Diane whyyyyy
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Old 09-22-2017, 06:54 PM
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I just finished the season too. Going to take some time to digest, but it might be my favorite season yet. So many standout moments and episodes.
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Old 09-22-2017, 10:33 PM
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Netflix sent bojack a text saying season 5 is a go. I can't find it on twitter but it's pretty great. I'd love a one off Bojack reacts to the emmys episode that is non canon.
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