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Old 09-10-2017, 03:18 PM
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I've been reading internet reactions and seeing screencaps to this, since it's gotten people talking. And I don't remember who it was specifically, but I just wanted to send out a thanks for the person in this thread who warned me off from watching this show, because I'm not about that life right now. That shit looks way too problematic for me to deal with.
Yeah, it's... I dunno. I'm normally really not into "horrible things happen to children" shows, but this has been compelling for reasons I can't quite put my finger on.

I don't think "problematic" is the descriptor I'd jump to though. I'm sure various people will take it various ways, but I've never gotten the impression from the show that the awful bits are supposed to be titillating or cool. They're intentionally harrowing, and a natural consequence of the setting and story. But it's certainly not something I'd recommend without massive ten-foot neon flashing warnings.

Like, I gave up on Shadow Star early on because the disturbing shit just felt gross; I have a hard time articulating why this feels different.
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Old 09-10-2017, 05:08 PM
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Yeah, thanks, I got that part already. It's a bad joke.
It doesn't really happen often enough in the anime for the joke to work, but the Adam Warren comics run with it and are funny as hell.
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Old 09-10-2017, 05:18 PM
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Yeah, I meant in terms of the world's stylistic trappings. Other than that, yeah it's buddy cop comedy with boobs.

Blowing up a planet I don't think happens much. Maybe in the one episode and an OVA?
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Old 09-10-2017, 07:12 PM
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Seriously. That is the entire premise of The Dirty Pair. Destruction LITERALLY follows in their wake, be it mere happenstance, conspiricy, or plain old "OOPS"
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Old 09-10-2017, 09:56 PM
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Yeah, I meant in terms of the world's stylistic trappings. Other than that, yeah it's buddy cop comedy with boobs.

Blowing up a planet I don't think happens much. Maybe in the one episode and an OVA?
In the standalone OVA/movies, its definitely a thing. Plus the original novels...
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Old 09-11-2017, 12:39 AM
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I've been watching a show called "A Centaur's Worries". On the surface, it's a very disposable, generic show chasing the whole 'monster musume' fetish - filled with centaurs, cat-people, angel-people, snake-people, etc. I started watching out of pure morbid curiosity to see how bad it could get. I was actually very disappointed to find early on that it was actually very dull and boring. It was initially nothing but generic SOL shenanigans while not approaching anything too pervy or leered. There's been some yuri undertones, but they've largely remained undertones in that any actual romantic interest is denied by all parties, and the talk of romance largely stays focused on het-relationships. There's really only two things that has kept me from dropping the show outright, and they're both linked to the show's strange compulsion to explain in painstaking depth about how a world filled with demi-humans could come to be.

In the first couple of episodes, the characters went to great lengths to explain the alternative biology of their world - how land animals that first crawled from the sea did so with six flipper-feet instead of four, and how all terrestrial vertebrates have six legs (including six-legged lizards, cows, etc, which is how we get centaurs or people with wings on their backs). The show goes on to hypothesize that if life had taken a different evolutionary turn, like vertebrates evolving only four appendages, then "humans" would have ended up with a lot less variety and thus built much more harmonious societies. An obvious wink at the audience. But every now and then, the cast of characters discuss the backstory of their world - about how race-fueled warfare plagued their history, and how now people are only living in peace because of extreme anti-discrimination laws. And that's where things get weird.

One time, one of the centaur's friends gets tired while doing cross-country jogging for PE, and tries to hitch a ride on the centaur's back. And immediately all the other characters have a short freak-out, "Don't! That's anti-centaur discrimination! You'll get taken away and re-educated...!" It was a very surreal moment, and those little moments are peppered throughout the show. Don't gawk at or comment on how different the snake-girl looks, or you'll get taken away by spooks. Remember so-and-so who used to be in our class before he got taken away to be re-educated? Wow, that's racial harmony propaganda from the government over there. It just gives the show a really strange, and oppressive atmosphere, even though most of the stories are light and fluffy, typical nonsense moe SOL stuff.

This really culminated in episode 10, where the whole thing was a side story about characters we've never seen before, and probably will never see again. The first half was about a frog-man dealing with being a model-minority, and then going home to his tribal frog-village and having to deal with their increasing militarism and antagonism against outsiders. The second half of the episode was a flashback to an old public official who was remembering how he survived a brutal Nazi-centaur concentration camp. And it was just a really surreal episode to have these demi-humans rounded up and executed in this facsimile of WWII when the episode or so previously the "main characters" were chit-chatting about boys and fashion. And if it weren't for this episode, I was edging towards the assumption that this show was a criticism of being overly politically correct, but now I have to assume the author was actually being earnest in their extremely awkward examinations of race relations through allegory.

And then there's the "side character" Manami Mitama - an "angel" with the reputation of being a stereotypical uptight class-representative. And I put side character in quotes because the story tends to focus on her and her issues more often and with much more thematic clarity than any of the other main characters it follows, since her stories tends to be about when she's outside of school and not interacting with the "main characters". She's an angel - with wings and a halo (made of hair that naturally grows into a halo-shape like a super-strange "ahoge"). But when we're introduced to her family, her dad is a cat-man, and her little sisters are a set of triplet cat-girls. Then we're introduced to her youngest sister, who has cat-ears, but also white hair, wings, and a halo just like her big sister, and it becomes clear what her family situation is without ever having to explain it out loud - which the show never does. In fact, nobody gives her mixed family any strange looks, or demands answers, or asks about how their family works, etc. And while I imagine some of that is the product of the above described extreme societal controls anti-discrimination, it's just super refreshing to see it treated as not a big deal by anybody, to the point where it's never explained, even in a show that feels it necessary to explain lots of other things that should be obvious to the characters who are all discussing it. Coming from a mixed background, it's very refreshing to see something like this, especially considering how bad Japanese culture and media can get about mixed race families.

And not just the structure of her family, but really just Manami's stories in general are infinitely more interesting to watch. Take this week's episode for example. The first half of the show followed the main characters tailing someone else on a date to make sure it went well as they went to a modern art museum. The discussions those characters had were fairly trivial and banal. The second half of the show however, followed Manami going on a date separately from the first half but concurrently to the same art exhibit. And her discussion with her friend (girlfriend?) centered around a pretty heavy discussion about how Manami should deal with her father's stagnating art career and how it affects her and her family. Other episodes surrounding her dealing with issues like:
  • Having to pretend to believe things she doesn't in order to support her family by helping to run her family's shrine/exorcism business.
  • Having to constantly be worried about the family's finances while being a teenager.
  • Having to balance the demands of school while being one of the primary caregivers for her little sisters, especially when doing so limits her socially and ostracizes her from her classmates.
  • The difficulties of being the most mature member of your household while only being a teenager, and the careful balancing act of being supportive of her father's career pursuits while balancing the immediate financial needs of her family.
  • The stress of caring for the special needs of her youngest sister (it's implied that mixed species children can have health issues and receive special dispensation from the government to help raise them). Who, by the way, is the most adorable thing ever.
When A Centaur's Worries focuses on Manami's family or begins discussing race relations in the abstract, it actually becomes a fairly interesting show. Not in that it handles anything it does with any particular grace or deftness, but simply because it's attempting to engage in social commentary in a way that most anime really can't be bothered to attempt. But these moments are far too sparse for me to actually recommend the show for watching. On the whole, the show is quite dull and silly. And instead of uplifting the show, these moments feel like the author found themselves trapped underneath the premise and title of a manga that lacked the intellectual simulation they craved and are desperately attempting to squeeze in bits of an interesting manga between the margins of a soul-crushing exercise in commercialism. I can't say I love A Centaur's Worries, or even think it's good, but at least it makes me think once and a while which is more than I was expecting going into it, or really most anime.

And then, just when I'm beginning to feel more positively about this show, there will be a random scene where the main characters inspect each other's privates because the titular centaur is worried her horse-vagina will look gross like an actual horse's she saw one time on a field trip.
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Old 09-11-2017, 08:09 AM
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Add more lady wrestlers and Streets of Fire songs, and... yeah, basically.
I'd be down for this, yeah.
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Old 09-11-2017, 10:48 AM
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Tiger Mask W was the most wrestling thing ever. I really felt like the production team loved pro wrestling, and did a great job of using wrestling conventions in their storytelling. They even managed to work in a couple of innovative twists on the standard match formulas.

My favorite part, though, was the finale episode where all the women get fed up with the men, buy the trademark of the villain organization, and create a Japanese women's wrestling promotion that has to scrape by on a shoestring budget and attracts crowds only because the main character accidentally promises to expose her butt if she loses. Except then they actually put on a good wrestling show. A+ editorial commentary.
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Old 09-11-2017, 10:54 AM
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That sounds like a good episode but by God is there a Dump Matsumoto-shaped hole in that story.
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Old 09-11-2017, 12:21 PM
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That sounds like a good episode but by God is there a Dump Matsumoto-shaped hole in that story.
this is true but they compensate somewhat with evil lady bret hart

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Old 09-11-2017, 02:55 PM
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Wisteria: I've only read the manga, but A Centaur's Life/Worries is basically the only monster girl series I can stomach, mainly because there's less focus on fucked up softcore harem fantasies with a male self-insert protagonist, and more about the unique sociopolitical and historical make-up of the setting and its inhabitants. It's frequently clumsy about how it approaches those subjects and especially when it attempts parallels to the real world, but there's enough there to be compelling in spite of its assuages that it's just another fluffy slice of life series. And the manga definitely has a gay couple in the supporting cast, at least. I echo your frustration at all the times when it devolves into the usual cheaply titillating filler when it could instead dedicate itself to, e.g., showing more of the Antarctican people, their customs and society, etc.

Dragon's Heaven is a 1988 OVA that near as I can tell is a thirty-minute love letter to Mœbius and mech design. Little narrative substance, but a treat to look at, and also to listen to. The music is stellar.
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Old 09-11-2017, 09:14 PM
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Yeah, I tracked down and watched Dragon's Heaven a bit ago, and it's definitely an interesting artifact. The shading style they use is absolutely insane to animate. And then they went and made some giant physical mech models to shoot in a lot of dry ice fog for promos. These are some dedicated nerds that knew what they liked and really went for it, which I can respect.
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Old 09-12-2017, 09:18 AM
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The dub of My Hero Academia is really good, and reminded me of how even a shot-for-shot recreation of another work can change it fundamentally. Bakugo is a very different character when he's talking with a reedy teenager's voice.
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I echo your frustration at all the times when it devolves into the usual cheaply titillating filler when it could instead dedicate itself to, e.g., showing more of the Antarctican people, their customs and society, etc.
I didn't even go into discussing the snake people, because as of this point in the show, I have no idea how to even handle/process them. It seems like they're carrying out social experiments on the rest of the world??? But we're not really privy to why yet? As a species, they also feel like the author created them on accident as a one-off cheap visual gag, and then later felt compelled to create an elaborate back story for them because they realized the idea was actually way more interesting than the stupid centaur, goat, and bat eating cakes and doing cute things.
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Old 09-12-2017, 04:43 PM
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I didn't even go into discussing the snake people, because as of this point in the show, I have no idea how to even handle/process them.
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Old 09-12-2017, 11:22 PM
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I... I'm afraid I don't follow? I assume the joke is snake people = white people, but I'm afraid to ask

Anyhow, I finished up Yamato 2199. Then watched the 2199 side-story film Odyssey of the Celestial Ark. And now watched the first/only two episodes of 2202 that have come out w/ fansubs. My final impressions of 2199 aren't much different from what I described earlier. I will add that I enjoyed the ending/wasn't really sure what missteps Mightyblue was speaking of. Pretty solid to great show from beginning to end. I really liked the crew, Captain Okita was amazing (that's where they get Capt. Global from, eh?), and the MC's name is SUSUMU - how amazing is that??? I think the thing I'll miss the most from the show is how the episode preview's countdown lent the show a surprising amount of dramatic weight. The film was also pretty darned good for a side story, and also served as a good stealth-intro to 2202's main villains.
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Snake people = millennials to be precise, snake people = snake people
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I... I'm afraid I don't follow? I assume the joke is snake people = white people, but I'm afraid to ask

Anyhow, I finished up Yamato 2199. Then watched the 2199 side-story film Odyssey of the Celestial Ark. And now watched the first/only two episodes of 2202 that have come out w/ fansubs. My final impressions of 2199 aren't much different from what I described earlier. I will add that I enjoyed the ending/wasn't really sure what missteps Mightyblue was speaking of. Pretty solid to great show from beginning to end. I really liked the crew, Captain Okita was amazing (that's where they get Capt. Global from, eh?), and the MC's name is SUSUMU - how amazing is that??? I think the thing I'll miss the most from the show is how the episode preview's countdown lent the show a surprising amount of dramatic weight. The film was also pretty darned good for a side story, and also served as a good stealth-intro to 2202's main villains.
The last arc feels rushed in a few ways, to put it simply.
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Old 09-13-2017, 04:18 PM
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Sagrada Reset ended today. I enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would from the onset, but in the end I wouldn't say it was anything great. Or even good. Definitely entertaining, but in a way I'm not sure most people here would relate to. The complicated machinations of the MC's plans were a lot of fun to see unfold, and the events all built upon pre-established events/knowledge in ways that were pretty satisfying to watch unfold. But man, the romantic angle from this show needed to just not exist. Because the MC's two love interests are not just uninteresting, but their relationships with him is incredibly toxic and problematic. One girl gets groomed by the MC to be his perfect girl; the other kills herself in devotion to him. Both are waaayyyy too codependent to be remotely healthy. And the conclusion of that love triangle was painfully obvious from the get go. One girl's power is to see the future; the other's is to deny the future. Guess which one's power is more appealing to a guy who wants to take destiny into his own hands? The MC himself, while a Nice Guy, is also egotistical in a way that's unsettling. The show eventually had some interesting things to say about the nature of individuality/personal identity, free will, and loving someone versus loving the idea of someone. But I feel like it never fully capitalized on those themes, and then somewhat undermined them with its own romance subplot. Overall, I don't regret watching it, but I can firmly recommend others don't. Except Rya, I think they'll love the MC and his story.
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Yeah, I've been digging it, too. I was basically sold as soon as Sabat's character popped up. Perfect casting, I thought.

At first the show struck me as HxH meets Naruto. I liked both early on but soured on them eventually. Hopefully this one is a keeper. Hopefully avoids the pitfalls that made me dislike those series.
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If nothing else, MHA does a vastly superior version of the Sasuke rescue arc.
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MHA will face the same editorial diktat that has disrupted nearly every other franchise series, but its structure is suited to running for 50+ volumes. They even baked in a process by which they can escalate the stakes without having to change the premise.

I had no idea Vegeta's voice actor was handling All Might. That's awesome, and he nailed the character. I skipped ahead and watched the big punchout with the brain orca villain and it was fan fuckin tastic.

If these are the aesthetics The Kids are imprinting on, that's good and cool.
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Old 09-14-2017, 07:41 PM
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It's not really Bones's MO to make a show that goes on indefinitely like One Piece or Naruto. In fact, I think the longest show they've ever made was FMA:Brotherhood at something ~64 episodes. MHA is clearly popular enough and will make them money/grant them prestige enough for them to keep making it, but it'll probably be in the form we're seeing right now - where they do a cour or two, then wait a while for more of the comic to get made, and do another cour or two afterwards so it never overstays its welcome. And Bones is not afraid to create an anime-original ending either should they feel they've found the right time/place to do so.

In the biggest waste of talent since the Animatrix, Shinichiro Watanabe is gonna be making a Blade Runner short-film that bridges the gap between the original and the reboot/sequel film.



What an incredibly disappointing follow up to Space Dandy.
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Old 09-14-2017, 08:17 PM
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The first 3/4th's of Yamato 2199 were sublime. I think the only episode that didn't do it for me was the Analyzer one.* This isn't to say the last bit was bad, but I felt that it didn't quite nail the beats to the same extent as what came before.

I'd argue one of the most notable things about the new Yamato is just how goddamn good the space battles are. I've argued before that volume 3 of Nausicaa contains probably the finest depiction of mass combat in any visual media, but I'd put nearly every one of Yamato's battles in its company. It's one thing to have spectacle and heroic moments, but the comfortable sense of relative space and tempo in Yamato is nearly peerless.

*I feel like should give a special shoutout to the Space Vampire episode and Celestial Ark in this. A lot of times, unless you're an A1 director, the sort of tone they're trying to convey comes off as obnoxiously pretentious, but Izabuchi et al absolutely manage to thread that needle.
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That would be nice. Heaven knows that some promising shows have been lambasted for awful, awful filler arcs (Bleach, Naruto). While I'm not a fan of it, at least it seems that One Piece's filler seems to go over better with a lot of its fans (or at least my friends that like OP).

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Hell, I even like its Sasuke better.

I watched the entirety of MHA's first season, and pretty much dug the hell out of everything with it. While only the first season dub is available where I'm streaming it (Hulu), and presumably it isn't done for season 2, I can move straight to the subbed Season 2.

It's not that I haven't been liking anime, but it's nice to be enjoying a new, original show again, and not a remake/continuation of an old thing.
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Well. Back from Castle Of Cagliostro...

The print they used was not the greatest, showing some serious stutter during pan shots... and it used the old Streamline dub written by Carl Macek, the one where they call Lupin, Wolf.

Felt like I was eating my favorite dessert, but made by a rookie chef...
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IIRC, Cagliostro wasn't part of the original promotion - it got added because of how well the other screenings did. And it's also an exception since the domestic rights aren't owned through Disney, which would probably help explain the AV issues.

I'm still hoping to get a movie night going for our shop, though, since I work with a couple of fairweather Miyazaki fans that haven't seen Cagliostro. Sort of a shame it won't be as great an experience as seeing Laputa on the big screen, though.
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more anime club stuff. the theme tonight was 'cute girls doing cute things', so don't expect much.

Gabriel Dropout: This one's pretty funny, really. I liked it.
New Game!: It was okay? but seriously does japan not really do the whole 'college' thing why are high schoolers applying for jobs right after graduating
Kantai Collection: I didn't watch this. I left the room when it started and came back when it ended. Overheard as I walked back in: "That was an interesting pick that we can all agree to never do again."
Non Non Biyori: Simple show about basically nothing. It was alright.
We also watched some more Tsurezure Children, which I've talked about before.
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Old 09-15-2017, 10:52 AM
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In the biggest waste of talent since the Animatrix, Shinichiro Watanabe is gonna be making a Blade Runner short-film that bridges the gap between the original and the reboot/sequel film.



What an incredibly disappointing follow up to Space Dandy.
Seems a bit early to judge it, seeing as it's not out yet? Though apparently it's already done and is hitting YouTube on the 29th.

Based on the blurbs I saw Watanabe specifically asked to be involved since he cites the original Blade Runner as being a big influence on him. I say let the man do what he wants, he's earned it. I imagine he's a big enough name that he only does projects he really wants to now.

Also, while he was the general director of Space Dandy, he only contributed to writing on 4 of the episodes; it was really more of an ensemble production. You might find more things you like by looking up who wrote or supervised your favorite episodes and seeing what other works they've been involved with.
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Yeah, my expectations are pretty low for the new Blade Runner *movie*, but Watanabe just generally playing in that playground? I'm up for that. Could be fun.
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