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Old 06-28-2017, 01:02 AM
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Old 06-29-2017, 02:52 PM
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I've been reading this essay by David Foster Wallace on David Lynch and the filming of Lost Highway. Very pertinent to this season. It's also a wonderful essay, albeit with some use of "females" as a noun that hits a profoundly sour note in 2017.
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Old 07-09-2017, 10:04 PM
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So did Albert smash, or is he just going to smash.
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Old 07-09-2017, 10:40 PM
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Spoiler maybe? It's a website..

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Old 07-10-2017, 05:07 PM
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Spoiler from access guide to twin peaks from the shows original run. Involving latest episode.

Thanks for posting that. So bubble = flying frog = laura, somehow?or laura was just a vessel for a spirit like bob, but a good one? seems too simple though.

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I do hope Albert smash. Definitely going to smash, though, eventually.



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WE WERE GOING TO GO SCUBA DIVING!
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Old 07-10-2017, 05:23 PM
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Gordon, Tammy, and Diane were waiting outside for a reason

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Old 07-11-2017, 12:50 AM
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Thanks for posting that. So bubble = flying frog = laura, somehow?or laura was just a vessel for a spirit like bob, but a good one? seems too simple though.
While I don't specifically think that was Laura, after-all the demons/woodsmen distracted and put them all to sleep, and considering we saw how well they worked putting bob together, and then the one that looks like lincoln put everyone to sleep. I think that was Bob who had been around since leland was a boy. Laura is still a mystery. As I'm going back over the books, a-lot of the lore doesn't line up, but it would make sense regarding that website I linked. Turns out someone compiled it into a document. Inconsistencies found here!
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Old 07-12-2017, 05:55 PM
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I think that was Bob who had been around since leland was a boy.
Oh, now that makes me wonder if the boy and girl are people we actually know in the future..

Anyway, this last episode was a much more down to Earth episode. I also like that we got a nice moment for Bobby. The character spent much of the original series being an asshole but he also clearly loved and respected his dad a lot. I think it's nice that Bobby is getting this journey.

Also, in other events, I can't imagine this will happen, simply since David Lynch doesn't seem like that kind of a guy but I am super-hoping that Lynch was lying that Joan Chen wouldn't return and that the "weird sound" in the hotel subplot might end with Josie's return. I know its unlikely, since I don't think this kind of surprise is Lynch's style but I would be way into that.
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Old 07-13-2017, 04:48 AM
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Lynch was lying that Joan Chen wouldn't return and that the "weird sound" in the hotel subplot might end with Josie's return. I know its unlikely, since I don't think this kind of surprise is Lynch's style but I would be way into that.
Well about that. Joan Chen had asked to be written out of the story. The terms she left were kind of bad. Though she did write him a hand written letter which states. “I write to you from the wooden drawer knob in which I have been trapped for the past two decades,” she writes, before saying that “the possibilities of who I shall become are as infinite as your fecund imagination.” So who really knows what Lynch would do. However there's a-lot of things I didn't think he would do. Bobby's redemption sort of being one of them.
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Episode ten: Laura is the one...

Man oh man. This episode felt like a lot more necessary exposition and wheel-spinning to get the characters where they need to be. That said, I still loved it, and it had a lot more satisfying moments than last week.

Richard Horne is confirmed to be Ben and Sylvia's grandson. The obvious conclusion is that he is Audrey's son. That raises the question of who daddy is. John Justice Wheeler, someone unknown from post series 2 or...Dopplecoop? In an earlier episode Doc Hayward states that he last saw Coop (who we know to be Dopplecoop) leaving the ICU where Audrey was after the bank explosion. A few posters on Dugpa speculate that he raped her while she was unconscious. Thematically, Cooper having a child conceived by rape ties into some of the Dougie stuff.

For one thing, Dougie and Janie-E have sex that Dougie enjoys, but clearly cannot consent to. The look on Dougie's face during the post-sex cuddle, well, it looked like Dale to me, as much as a very satisfied Dougie. A Dale who stumbled out of the Black Lodge into a life with a child and a (blonde!) wife, and might like very much to stay there. I just read My Life My Tapes and it helps me see just how much that is something Dale would find incredibly fulfilling. However, MLMT also establishes that death and/or disaster haunts Dale's relationships, so I seriously wonder if Sonny Jim and Janie's days among the living aren't numbered. Then you add in the themes of Dale not consenting to sex with Janie, Dopplecoop raping Audrey and Richard being his son - it's everything Dale wanted in life, but horribly twisted and wrong. I do think that if something horrible happens to Janie or especially Sonny Jim, it could be what wakes Dale up. I have read some people speculating that Dopplecoop raped Audrey before this episode, but it never really seemed like a valid theory until now.

Also, how about Janie's red shoes?

I don't think Diane is dirty. I HOPE Diane isn't dirty. Remember how Dopplecoop tried to tell Gordon, Albert and Tammy that he'd been working undercover with Jeffries? What if he told Diane the same thing but she believed him? She may think Albert, Tammy and Gordon are the bad guys here. It's terribly naive and Diane seems more savvy than that, but love (romantic or platonic) makes us do awful things and helps us to ignore painful truths. She could also have seen right through Dopplecoop's all along, but is keeping her cards close until she has more information or has to come clean. Gordon has always seemed big on keeping information absolutely need to know until the last possible moment.



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Old 07-17-2017, 02:24 PM
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There wasn't a lot to unpack here that wasn't alreadyybto be said. However Hello Johnny. was the most unsettling thing to me.
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For one thing, Dougie and Janie-E have sex that Dougie enjoys, but clearly cannot consent to. The look on Dougie's face during the post-sex cuddle, well, it looked like Dale to me, as much as a very satisfied Dougie. A Dale who stumbled out of the Black Lodge into a life with a child and a (blonde!) wife, and might like very much to stay there. I just read My Life My Tapes and it helps me see just how much that is something Dale would find incredibly fulfilling.

It just occurred to me that one of Coop's wishes when he thought he was dying after getting shot was "I would very much like to make love to a beautiful woman who I had genuine affection for."
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Old 07-18-2017, 06:06 AM
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It just occurred to me that one of Coop's wishes when he thought he was dying after getting shot was "I would very much like to make love to a beautiful woman who I had genuine affection for."
Ohhhh shit. I forgot about that. I'm not sure it necessarily portends Coop straight up dying, which is something I haven't actually contemplated before. But it does make me think real Coop will wake up and have some feelings for Janye-E and Sonny Jim, who will then of course be ripped away from him in the cruelest possible manner because, you know, this is Cooper we're talking about here.

This went right over my head, but someone on another forum pointed out that Sonny Jim is a fictional child created by a dysfunctional couple in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf.

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Old 07-18-2017, 02:18 PM
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Now that has me thinking. What if DougieCoop walks in one day to find Mr.C standing over the corpse of Sonny Jim and Janey-E, and that's what triggers waking him up?
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Old 07-18-2017, 02:34 PM
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I'm going to be pretty upset if they fridge Janey. It just seems so lazy, and a disservice to her character as she's been portrayed so far. She hasn't met Dark Coop yet, true, but so far she's been a firebrand able to browbeat and/or strangle everyone who's tried to mess with her or her family.

It'd also be nice to give Good Coop a happy ending, after all the tragedy he's had to endure so far. After a while, "all personal relationships for this character end in tragedy" storylines get very repetitive and tired (see: Supernatural).
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Now that has me thinking. What if DougieCoop walks in one day to find Mr.C standing over the corpse of Sonny Jim and Janey-E, and that's what triggers waking him up?
If anything, I expect Sonny Jim to die, possibly as a result of an assassination attempt meant for Dougie.

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I'm going to be pretty upset if they fridge Janey. It just seems so lazy, and a disservice to her character as she's been portrayed so far. She hasn't met Dark Coop yet, true, but so far she's been a firebrand able to browbeat and/or strangle everyone who's tried to mess with her or her family.

It'd also be nice to give Good Coop a happy ending, after all the tragedy he's had to endure so far. After a while, "all personal relationships for this character end in tragedy" storylines get very repetitive and tired (see: Supernatural).

We've really only seen one or two tragedies for Coop so far.
And we didn't really see Caroline. If you've read My Life My Tapes yeah, it's clear that it's a repeated theme but most fans probably haven't, and who knows if it's even really canon. That said, I do really really want to see Good Coop get a happy ending. I don't really expect more Twin Peaks after this,
so however it ends for Coop will be his ultimate fate. I can only hope it's good.


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I'm going to be pretty upset if they fridge Janey. It just seems so lazy, and a disservice to her character as she's been portrayed so far. She hasn't met Dark Coop yet, true, but so far she's been a firebrand able to browbeat and/or strangle everyone who's tried to mess with her or her family.

It'd also be nice to give Good Coop a happy ending, after all the tragedy he's had to endure so far. After a while, "all personal relationships for this character end in tragedy" storylines get very repetitive and tired (see: Supernatural).
Considering how this series treats women, I wouldn't get your hopes up.
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Considering how this series treats women, I wouldn't get your hopes up.
Through all of the obvious craft and brilliance I've definitely had to grit my teeth through some of Lynch's more regressive tendencies. Like how the only black character so far has been a prostitute, fully nude in her first shot.
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I blocked out anything involving Audrey, Part 11, and such from twitter. Since SDCC is showing part 11 early.
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I blocked out anything involving Audrey, Part 11, and such from twitter. Since SDCC is showing part 11 early.
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Through all of the obvious craft and brilliance I've definitely had to grit my teeth through some of Lynch's more regressive tendencies. Like how the only black character so far has been a prostitute, fully nude in her first shot.
I'm losing hope too. It's weird though, I had kind of thought Lynch had scrubbed this tendency out of himself after Lost Highway since there's not really any sexist violence in Inland Empire or Mulholland Drive I can think of. And even Fire Walk With Me, while violent, is pretty respectful and thoughtful in the way it depicts that violence. None of the violence against women comes off as a cheap "transgressive" flourish. It's a horrifying downer, in contrast to Wild at Heart.

I wondered if Lynch was playing off the way that stuff is depicted in prestige TV shows like Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones. But at this point I'm doubtful.

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Old 07-23-2017, 08:39 PM
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Old 07-23-2017, 08:59 PM
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Old 07-28-2017, 06:34 AM
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I'm going to say, you won't meet many people who dislike Jim Belushi as much as I, but he is doing good work on this show. His first appearance had him being genuinely threatening (sadly, it was also when Brett Gelman exited) and he did good work in the more light-hearted half of the episode.

Interestingly, the AV Club had an interesting read on the car honking scene of the last episode: that Lynch foresaw that the pace of the show might frustrate viewers and that freaked out woman might be an audience surrogate.
Not the most flattering interpretation, though certainly one that had sympathy for someone who is extremely annoying. I'm not sure I 100% buy it, but I can't completely dismiss it either.

I mean, its not like I think Lynch is someone who doesn't think about his audience, but I guess I don't think of him as someone who uses audience surrogates and such. Someone who has seen more of his films might have different insight on that though.

Anyway, as much as I am enjoying the show, I do feel a little bad for how little we will likely see of Coop with his memories regained. Coop is the show's best character hands down and it is a bummer we won't get a lot of him, despite appearing a lot in a wacky impaired state.
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"When will Coop wake up" is the new "Who killed Laura Palmer?" It's the central hook the rest of the show revolves around and they're going to draw it out for as long as possible, if they even resolve it at all.
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I thought Part 11 was the strongest Twin Peaks as a TV Show episode so far, considering that Part 8 was its own thing. The ominous dread hit the ground running with Miriam still alive, Becky going berserk, the FBI finding the Zone Portal, Bill Hastings, and honk honk honk honk. It dropped a bit with the Hawk Map stuff, and with the Breaking Bad with cherry pie, but seeing the shots of creepy staircases both in Gretchen Hayward's apartment complex and in the portal (with Bearded Men) made up for it.
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Showtime's web store sells a cardboard cut out of Agent Dale Cooper. If you order it, here's what actually shows up.

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"When will Coop wake up" is the new "Who killed Laura Palmer?" It's the central hook the rest of the show revolves around and they're going to draw it out for as long as possible, if they even resolve it at all.
One of the Mitchum Bros. was talking about how much he hates Dougie and the other asks if he can just wait 3 more hours. Some people are interpreting that as saying that he'll return after three more episodes. That's probably a stretch, but who knows with this show.
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One of the Mitchum Bros. was talking about how much he hates Dougie and the other asks if he can just wait 3 more hours. Some people are interpreting that as saying that he'll return after three more episodes. That's probably a stretch, but who knows with this show.
Ha, that'd be amazing if it panned out. I love how paranoid this show makes people about picking up on little things.
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