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Old 06-09-2014, 03:11 PM
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This show deserves its own thread. New season premiered this weekend! For whatever reason, I didn't think it was going up until next month. Nice surprise.

I couldn't enough of the first season, but I was a little cooler on this one (still thought it was great, though). Maybe I just wasn't in the mood; maybe it really is a little worse. Thoughts on the second season:

(spoilers below, which you can also tell because I have "spoiler" "tagged" my "thoughts")

- Was kind of upset that Piper was going to get sentenced for perjury or something, but nothing really came of that (this season, anyway...). 8 more months should get a couple more seasons with Piper, which is maybe all Jenji Kohan should be trusted with? Or maybe not! Maybe this show won't suffer from a Weeds-ian quality drop.
- They could just have Piper leave and still follow the other characters, of course. This was even more of an ensemble show this year, which was a good thing, because this show has a very strong cast. (I love Taylor Schilling/Piper, though) BUT:
- Some actors were seriously underused. Sophia Burset had no plot (I think just... one? scene was primarily about her this season), which surprised me, given how important she was last year and how Laverne Cox is (or seems to be) blowing up. Uzo Adoba was a regular now and her Suzanne had a flashback episode, but felt less prominent than last season.
- Lorraine Toussaint fucking killed it. Great villain; great performance, and I loved how she went out (well, that was more about Rosa than her). But... are they going to get rid every black matriarch they introduce within the season? I guess it would be kind of funny, if they kept doing it. For years.
- Larry's garbage, but I loved this: "Would the moon do THIS?" Also loved Piper's brother pulling a Jenna Maroney and staging a surprise wedding at a funeral. It was really... exactly like the time she did that on 30 Rock.
- Pornstache was gone for most of the season, but the remaining staff compensated by being more compelling than they were last season. Bennet's definitely the worst, now, but also, so is Daya. Don't care for/about that plotline.

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Old 06-09-2014, 03:12 PM
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goddamn, "OITNT" would have been a better thread title, imo, or should have at least been part of the title.

Fucked this up. So ashamed.
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Old 06-20-2014, 03:44 PM
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I'm not quite finished with this season but I'm pretty bummed out with Taystee's direction even though the conflict was necessary to keep things interesting.
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Old 06-22-2014, 03:03 PM
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Piper has, like, the anti-arc. Everyone else changes in such interesting ways both short- and long-term, but Piper has exactly one schtick, which is "she is actually a terrible person," and that "revelation" has happened over and over.

Keeping her as the central character is a problem not only because of that, but also because the most interesting story this season isn't even about her anymore. The Vee plot was killer for the way it affected just about everybody at the prison, whether it was her crew getting drawn into her orbit, Red's family trying to deal with the threat she posed, or the kitchen staff walking the tightrope as they tried to stay Switzerland in the conflict. The major Vee arc gave fantastic grist for Red, Vee, Taystee, Suzanne, Boo, Gloria, Poussey, Walker, just about everyone to chew on--everyone EXCEPT Piper, who was the dead eye of the Vee hurricane. I've never seen a TV season built so strongly around an arc that its "main" character contributed nothing to.

I loved just about everything else about this season, don't get me wrong, but Piper was a huge problem with it and she's obviously not going away. I'm still looking forward to S3, but my enthusiasm has cooled a bit.
I noticed Piper's irrelevance, too. I actually thought it was kind of funny. Like, towards the end of the season, Piper got kicked off the phone by someone with Vee (I wanna say Suzanne?) and she didn't really know or care about what was going on. Her solipsism is a powerful and majestic thing. Anyway, I don't know what to say. I don't dislike Piper as much as some people do. I'm not sure she changes that much more slowly than any of the other characters. I also don't really think she's that terrible a person, either. Perhaps they kept her on hold because Alex was gone for most of the season. You know, I believe it is beyond my considerable powers of persuasion to convince an atheist to believe in God. Or a h8r that Piper is not the absolute worst. Diff'rent Strokes!

As I said, they really showcased their ensemble this year. I enjoyed my time with Piper and with everyone else, even though they didn't often have much to do with each other. And Piper wasn't the only person to barely get involved with Vee. (did Soso and the nun? Pennsatucky?) At least they all had something to do, unlike poor Sophia. I'm really just baffled that she had no plot this season. Anyone have an explanation as to why?


It's been two weeks. I barely remember anything about this! Netflix.
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Old 06-26-2014, 06:18 AM
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I'm only about halfway through the first season but it's finally gotten somewhere that I can enjoy it. Earlier episodes were like, really sad histories of characters with a few moments of funny. But it seems like now it's starting to find an identity.
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Old 06-26-2014, 06:25 AM
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I only have about a season and a half of Mad Men episodes left on Netflix to watch, and after I'm done with that I was considering either House of Cards or this to be my next series to watch.

Leaning this, unless someone can make a strong case for Cards or against Orange.
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Old 06-26-2014, 07:20 AM
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Just finished. I for one like Piper and Larry. Larry is such a vanilla, boring, basic guy - but this guy having to adjust to his spouse being imprisoned, then learning the truth about her character is really compelling.

Piper - she is selfish, oblivious and totally not involved in the Oz like danger that Vee brings. Really most of the issues in the show are characters being petty and reacting to nothing. See: Red. But they are also identifiable. Even stupid Piper and all her bad decisions. Love that colt 45 scene.

Also:I love how the issue with Pennsatucky is resolved, and how Her and Healy are both redeemed by true change, good action.
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Old 06-26-2014, 07:41 AM
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ehhhhhhh I'm waiting to see stuckey fall off the wagon next season. She's a character that seems to only be interested in belonging somewhere so long as she has a taste of power with it; when it wasn't coming in safe space (as everyone in the meeting dismissed it and was defensive) she quickly became disinterested.

Lets not forget the whole reason she is there is because she blew someone's brains out for disrespecting her~

I'm not convinced Larry is as much of a piece of shit as the internet wants to believe.
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Old 06-30-2014, 07:33 PM
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Just finished it. This show snuck up on me. I had a lot of complaints last season but I kept watching all the way through season two, so... I guess I like this show?

I'm with Nich on Piper. She and Larry are the dullest part of the show, and now that we have Soso (or as I call her, Hyper Piper), the Annoying Privileged Liberal position is filled without the protagonist ball-and-chain attached to it. Soso is one note but she kicked off some fun stuff.

Same basic rules apply as in the first season: anything involving Red, or adjacent to Red, is compelling, everything else is hit or miss. Since the main arc with Vee closely involves Red, I was on board. I appreciate that the show milked Vee for all it could, then let the character go. Great villain.

I thought it was hilarious that they brought Pornstache back for exactly one episode so they could get a do-over on last season softballing him. That whole pregnancy plot is such a non-starter, and went absolutely nowhere all season.

The biggest disappointment is the lack of Sophia. Hopefully with Vee no longer hogging the other black characters Laverne Cox will have more to do next season. Just have the whole show jump back and forth between Red scheming and Sophia shooting the breeze in her salon.
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Old 07-05-2014, 05:56 AM
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I'm about halfway through the second season and Piper doesn't annoy me at all. Her plotline's got some promising setup (let me guess, it doesn't pay off by the end) and she isn't the same character she was last season.

But there are a few totally unnecessary plots I wish would just drop, namely Larry, Polly and whatshisface.

I think this show might have my favorite title/credits sequence of anything currently airing, but then I'm only really watching like, 5 shows that currently air.
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Old 07-06-2014, 02:48 AM
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Finished season 2:
Not sure what to make of Vee: Sure she's a fun villain, but everyone else on the show has some depth (except pornstache, i suppose), and she's just sort of... manipulative and evil all the way through. By the final episode she's basically a cartoon character.

Piper was kind of funny when she was in her "eyes half open and not 100% over this shit" mode, but then you have stuff like the newsletter, and it's like, "who cares?"

Really not interested in Caputo awkwardly trying to woo what's her face or that other guy's Russian bride (Though I did enjoy him and Pennsatucky's bonding - they're both absolutely awful, but it was kind of cute?).

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I mean, I'm not defending her actions or anything, but that was a pretty shitty thing for that nurse to say to her.
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Old 07-06-2014, 06:36 AM
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I just finished the second season and it was great in some moments, bad in others, but definitely a show worth watching.

Red might be the most badass character I can think of on a TV show.
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I just watched the first episode of this series last night in search of a new Netflix show following Mad Men, and I dunno, I'm not quite feeling it just yet. Though I didn't feel Mad Men after its first episode either.

As the first episode was drawing to a close I just felt myself waiting for it to be over, something about it was just really uncomfortable or unlikable but I can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it was just the bombardment of negative events, which makes sense since we're seeing the prison for the first time through the eyes of someone clearly ill-equipped to be there.

Or maybe it was the blood-soaked tampon in the english muffin which was honestly just a bit too gross.

Either way I didn't really finish the first episode with a burning desire to see more. So I dunno if I'll keep watching now or try House of Cards or something and see how that appeals to me. How does the rest of the series stack up to the first episode? I understand it's more of a character ensemble show and the strong focus on Piper in the first episode may not be a good reflection of the rest of it. Still didn't make the best first impression with me, though.
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Old 07-16-2014, 06:06 AM
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As the first episode was drawing to a close I just felt myself waiting for it to be over, something about it was just really uncomfortable or unlikable but I can't quite put my finger on it.
It was Piper. She gets better, but she and Larry are the dullest part of the show. I basically watched entirely because I enjoyed Red, and the show snuck up on me after a while.

One thing to know is it's just kind of a shmoopie show. It oscillates between a critique of the prison industrial complex and a big ol' hugbox. If you watched Weeds, Orange has a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses.
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Old 07-16-2014, 06:20 AM
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...shmoopie?


I really didn't get a hugbox vibe from the first episode, but again that was probably due to it setting everything up.

(haven't seen Weeds either)
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Old 07-16-2014, 06:57 AM
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The first episode sucked, but they wisely set up stories about the other prisoners in later episodes. Give it a try for about 4 or 5 episodes before you quit it.
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Old 07-16-2014, 07:10 AM
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Fuzzy wuzzy. Cutesy wutesy. Everyone is a special snowflake and just wants to be loved, don'cha know.

I don't mean that as a criticism. It's a uniquely optimistic take on the prison genre. The show believes with all its heart that everyone is worth something, even people who are quite wicked, and even people who will never improve. The only villains are those who de-value other human beings.
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Old 07-16-2014, 07:13 AM
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It's a uniquely optimistic take on the prison genre.
Then the first episode is reeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaally not a good indicator of what's to come.

I'll take the advice of you and Bunk and give a few more episodes a shot.
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I don't necessarily view it that way. More like everybody's in there, why not find out what happened? It's not the supermax prison or anything, so they can't all be the kind of truly scary criminals that come to mind when we think of prison.

Though it does do a lot to humanize prisoners... But since one thing the show points out a lot is how busted the prison system is in many ways, it makes sense to humanize the prisoners.
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Old 07-16-2014, 08:20 AM
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Well, yes, when it comes to the prison system the show is incredibly cynical, but I still get the vibe that it believes we could fix a lot of problems if we just cared about each other more.
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.......

Holy fuck Red is Captain Janeway.

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Wow, good on the show for including that Mighty Ducks reference in the finale: Flying Vee!
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I'm glad they killed off Vee. She was a good antagonist, but I was getting pretty tired of her by the end of the season. Plus I didn't like how she dragged down all of the girls who joined her crew. I'll be happy to have those characters back to providing some levity and comic relief.
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Old 07-17-2014, 04:54 PM
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Ok, ok, the show is starting to grow on me now. That first episode nearly turned me off from it, but I'm glad I stuck it out.
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It's a show that gets more interesting as you learn more about the characters who aren't Piper, and it's a show that becomes decreasingly about Piper as it goes. So yeah, stick it out for sure.
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Old 07-18-2014, 08:22 AM
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Even Piper's not so bad once the show becomes less about her stupid life outside of prison. But yeah, keep on going.

I think Red is one of my favorite characters in a TV show. She's always worth watching.
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Old 07-23-2014, 03:18 PM
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Ok so I'm nearing the end of the first season and wow, Healy turned real nasty real fast. When Pornstache thinks a punishment is too harsh, that shit's pretty harsh.

I'm wondering how the show stands up to the book. Yeah I imagine the show has been dramatized to hell, but just how much has it deviated?
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Yeah, as season 1 progresses you slowly start to see how Healy is as bad or worse than anyone. You haven't even gotten to his cruelest moment yet, where he does nothing.
Yes but: redemption thy name is Healy. kinda anyway.
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I checked this show out out of a whim and I'm glad I did because it's one hell of a good show. I didn't expect it to be as good as it was. Watched each season in a marathon sitting over a few days. Great show!

Does anyone know how long this show will last? I heard: that the main character's real life counterpart was only in prison for a year or two, so I hope this show lasts quite a few seasons.
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Old 07-25-2014, 06:11 AM
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Y'know while I can understand some of the 'Piper is terrible' arguments, she's not all bad. Here she is opening up to a young wheelchair-bound delinquent and being brutally honest about what prison does to you and it's probably her most thoughtful moment yet, and--

---wait did she just send Pennsatucky into the bathroom?

Ok nevermind.


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