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Old 04-10-2017, 08:42 AM
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Happy Monday, Talking Time! Did you all have a good weekend? Mine was a long one. It involved shopping. It involved cameras. It involved props. But it also involved a lot of fun, and I think it'll quickly become obvious why. After all, it's fun gettin' into trouble.

36 of you voted, and I have taken your votes, and, using the magic of MATHS, converted them into an ordered list of TALKING TIME'S TOP 50 TABLETOP GAMES. It's a great list, and I can't wait to share it with all of you. I guarantee, it's the craziest list you'll ever see.

THE LIST:
#49 (tie) Guess Who?
#49 (tie) Boss Monster
#48 Candy Land
#47 Checkers
#46 Solitaire
#45 UNO
#44 Cards Against Humanity
#43 Kingdom Builder
#42 Apples to Apples
#41 Dixit
#40 Cribbage
#39 Big Boggle
#38 Arkham Horror
#37 Space Alert
#36 BattleCON
#34 (tie) Terra Mystica
#34 (tie) Love Letter
#33 Battleship
#32 Monopoly
#31 Agricola
BONUS Tichu
#30 HeroQuest
#29 Android: Netrunner
#28 Yahtzee
#27 Scattergories
#26 Pictionary
#25 The Game of LIFE
#24 Race for the Galaxy
#23 The Resistance / Avalon
#22 Power Grid
BONUS Galaxy Trucker
#20 (tie) Poker
#20 (tie) Betrayal at House on the Hill
#19 Go
#18 Mafia / [One Night] [Ultimate] Werewolf
#17 Coup
#16 Clue
#15 Puerto Rico
#14 Ticket to Ride
#13 Hanabi
#12 Scrabble
#11 Dominion
INTERMISSION Featured Downlist Recommendations
#10 Trivial Pursuit
#9 Carcasonne/Carcassone/Carcassonne
#8 RISK / Risk Legacy
#7 7 Wonders
#6 Codenames
#5 Settlers of Catan
#4 Pandemic / Pandemic Legacy
#3 Magic: The Gathering
#2 Dungeons & Dragons
ACTUAL FOR REAL #1
#1 Chess

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Before we get into the list proper, though, a quick bit of house-keeping. It's time to discuss the results of the BONUS GAME. A big thanks to everyone who took the time to try and tease out what madness I assembled into my Franken-game, but I'm afraid that there can be only one winner... OR CAN THERE!?

I make the rules here, and two of you did a smashing job of identifying those components, so I'm announcing here that we have two winners: Mogri & DFalcon. They've already been informed of their special prize via PM, and the rest of you will find out what that is at a later date. Congratulations to them both!

I won't be posting a full list of the bonus game components yet because SPOILERS!!!, but I'll post a complete break-down after the results thread concludes (I might need a gentle reminder, though >_>).

Alright, now that that's out of the way, what say we get started with the fun?

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Old 04-10-2017, 08:43 AM
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#49 (tie) - Guess Who?
The mystery face game

Points: 89 Mentions: 4
# of players: 2



Can you Guess Who? It's a mystery! We're starting things off with a beloved childhood classic, and I couldn't be happier about it. This game involves two players, seated opposite one another in front of a grid of faces. Each player chooses or is assigned at random one of those faces, and the players take turns asking questions about the opposite player's card in hopes of narrowing down the search field and identifying their opponent's card. As possibilities are eliminated, players can flip the faces face-down onto the grid in a way that's very kinesthetically pleasing. That was always my favourite part as a kid, anyway!

So, as referenced in that photo set, the commercials for this game that aired when I was as a kid involved talking faces, but the ad was quick to point out that they don't actually talk. This is one of those legal disclaimers that people like to poke fun at, like warnings on airplane peanuts. I mean, what kid would be dumb enough to think that the game could talk to you, especially back in the 80s? *sheepishly raises hand* This kid, that's who. Yeah, I absolutely thought they could talk, despite the disclaimer. I don't know if my version of the ad didn't have it, or I just never noticed it, or what, but I was sure this was a game about talking heads. I never owned the game, but my cousin did, and I enjoyed playing it with him, but I was very disappointed to find that his version did not talk. I was not deterred, however! I remember asking my mother that Christmas to find me "the talky version". I have no idea how much time my mother spent looking for it that Christmas, but knowing my mother, probably quite a lot. /facepalm

As for its merits as a game, there's an argument to be made that maybe teaching kids to categorize people according to physical characteristics is perhaps not the best lesson, and there are definitely problems with representation, but on the flip-side, you're never too young to start learning how to optimize a half-interval search algorithm!

Of course, the whole thing falls apart the moment that questions start to get the slightest bit subjective. The example question printed right on the front of the box is "Does your person have a big nose?", which is just asking for trouble. My childhood games of this tended to end with accusations and fighting, but, y'know, kids gonna kid.

(Oh, and BTW, the ranking is not a mistake: we're starting things off with a tie, which means two games tied at #49; the other will be appearing tomorrow.)

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Old 04-11-2017, 09:55 AM
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Wait.

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Old 04-11-2017, 03:17 PM
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I totally had and played the hell out of that game! Heck if I'd remember the name I might've put it on the list. Though it was so long ago I guess I'd forgotten exactly how non-interactive it is. The flavor's pretty sweet at least!
Wow! That makes you, Kirin, the third person in the world who I've met that knows about By Jove. If your IRL name is Alex, 100% of the people I know who also know By Jove will have that name.

I think it's so obscure because it was the type of game you could only get from, like, teachers' catalogs and stuff. We found it at a big rummage sale. And you're right, the flavor is excellent. The board is beautiful and I have it hanging on my wall. It also came with a booklet of Greek mythology which I loved to read through.

Oh, I was the person who voted for Boss Monster 2. I've played both games many times. The second game is better balanced, and the bosses get more interesting and useful level up abilities. There's also some cool secondary spell abilities.

I think someone was alluding to Munchkin as its inverse - it's far better than Munchkin because it never has a moment where you've played for 9 hours and everyone is about to win but nobody will let anybody win.
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Wow! That makes you, Kirin, the third person in the world who I've met that knows about By Jove. If your IRL name is Alex, 100% of the people I know who also know By Jove will have that name.

I think it's so obscure because it was the type of game you could only get from, like, teachers' catalogs and stuff. We found it at a big rummage sale. And you're right, the flavor is excellent. The board is beautiful and I have it hanging on my wall. It also came with a booklet of Greek mythology which I loved to read through.
Nope, not named Alex, but I do come from a family of academics and giant nerds which probably explains how I had it as a kid. And yeah, that's the board all right. Very pretty.
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a moment where you've played for 9 hours and everyone is about to win but nobody will let anybody win.
Sounds like Monopoly.
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Thank you, Guess Who, for teaching me how to perform a binary search.

Of course, once I realized that was the optimal strategy, I ceased wanting to actually play the game. But until then (age 9? 10?) the game provided minutes of fun!
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Old 04-10-2017, 08:50 AM
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Also, holy cow. The thread title makes me realize I forgot to put scrabble on my (hastily assembled list).

Do me good, tyrants! That better make it on here!
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Old 04-10-2017, 08:54 AM
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Of course, once I realized that was the optimal strategy, I ceased wanting to actually play the game.
I don't think that's necessarily a problem in and of itself, but the problem is the possibility space. 20 Questions is the same concept, but with a much much larger possibility space, and can still be enjoyable. Or at least, I think so.
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Guess Who? gets much more fun when you make it entirely subejective.

"Does your person look like a creep?" "Is vanilla your person's favourite flavour?" "Does your person work in HR?"
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Old 04-10-2017, 09:15 AM
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"Does your person look like a creep?" "Is vanilla your person's favourite flavour?" "Does your person work in HR?"
I like the way you play.
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Guess Who? gets much more fun when you make it entirely subejective.

"Does your person look like a creep?" "Is vanilla your person's favourite flavour?" "Does your person work in HR?"
It also works if you make up elaborate backstories for each of the characters.

The red haired guy with glasses volunteers at the local animal shelter, but secretly only does it so he can taunt the pets nobody loves. He is a monster.
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Guess Who? gets much more fun when you make it entirely subejective.

"Does your person look like a creep?" "Is vanilla your person's favourite flavour?" "Does your person work in HR?"
My best friend and I played with those same rules until we realized how disturbing it was that we were able to guess exactly which character each of us meant by "would they drive a white van near elementary schools" or "I take out my staff and wizard hat"
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Found this post on BBG. Worth a shot?

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Now that we are all grown up, here's how we play now...

One major rule change: All questions have to be purely based on what you think the personality is for your person, you cannot ask any question directly or indirectly related to the person's appearance (ie. so you can't say, has your person used a razor on their face in the last week because that would be related to appearance)

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If you get to your last person and you are wrong, you are allowed to start over, but you can't try and reconfirm what your opponent answered for any previous question, nor can you repeat a question your opponent has already asked in any game you've played that day.

When I was first introduced to this version, I thought it would be virtually impossible to work out, but having played many games of this version, I'm surprised how well I can read how my friends perceive others based purely on a picture. It probably wouldn't work as well with strangers.

Some examples of questions in games I've won have been as ridiculous as:
Does your person prefer your steak from medium well done to well done?
If your person had a fruit bowl on their dining table, would they use fake fruit over real fruit?
Does your person prefer boxers over briefs?
Can your person play the guitar?
Did your person have a job delivering take out food while going through university?
Does your best friend of the same sex have a different sexual preference to you?

Most of the other questions generally get a little more risque and probably shouldn't be repeated here

But if you feel like pulling out your old copy of guess who from 20 years ago and want to make it a challenge...this version is for you!
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I like the sounds of that, because not only does it fix some of the problems with the game, but it also makes it funnier and more about relating to and understanding your friends, which is the bedrock upon which all of the most fun tabletop games are built.
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Yeah, that's pretty awesome. Turns it more into a Loaded Questions-type game.
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I like the sounds of that, because not only does it fix some of the problems with the game, but it also makes it funnier and more about relating to and understanding your friends, which is the bedrock upon which all of the most fun tabletop games are built.
That sounds sorta like the game Dixit.
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I just got back from a trip, so it's time to catch up with some of the more recent entries:

#13 Hanabi - Hanabi is a great, easy-to-learn game. I tend to bring it with me when I go places because it's small, accessible and fun. The only real downside is that it requires focus on the players' parts and a lot of my board game sessions are with tired parents who just aren't all there after putting the kids to bed.

#12 Scrabble - I fucking hate Scrabble, and that's mostly because I'm really bad at it. I couldn't even tell you why, aside from the fact that I'm generally miserable with anagrams. Boggle all the way.

#11 Dominion - Probably the biggest game on this list that I've never played. I've heard enough people complain about its multiplayer-solitaire thing that I'm not motivated to buy it for myself, but I'd probably play it if someone put it on the table for me.

#10 Trivial Pursuit - The older generation in my family has been busting this one out at Christmas time for the last 30 years. I've played a few times, but the fiddlyness of the dice rolling and the sports category have kept me from really enjoying it. All the kids in my generation wound up getting into Euros and more modern boardgames instead (which are now slowly filtering back up to my parents' generation, starting with Ticket to Ride).

#9 Carcassonne - Much like Ticket to Ride, this is a great, accessible game that I have played way too much of. We always found fields and abbeys to be overpowered in the base version, although Inns and Cathedrals spices things up nicely. We eventually go to the point where we started playing mean - pointing roads into peoples' castles, finding ways to steal the biggest fields from people, etc. Much like TTR, I taught my nephews to play it and eventually wound up regretting it.

#8 RISK / Risk Legacy - FUCK RISK. God, what a horrible, frustrating slog of a game. That said, I'm very interested in Risk Legacy, though I hesitate to drop $70CDN on it as I'm not sure that the Legacy part will outweigh the RISK part. It might just, though - I'm 1/3 of the way through a Pandemic Legacy campaign and it's one of the coolest things I've ever played.

#7 7 Wonders - I played a few games of this once and liked it a lot. Don't have my own copy, but I bought it for my nephews, so maybe I'll get to play it next time I see them.

#6 Codenames - Nifty game, fun and easy to teach, but I'm surprised it ended up so high on the list.

#5 Settlers of Catan - This is a big one for me. Like a lot of people, Settlers (as we called it) was the first "serious" board game I played as an adult. We had a regular group of 3-5 people who played it constantly for a few months when I was in university and it was both cutthroat and highly entertaining. I've always said that if you think Settlers is boring, it's because your friends are boring. The wheeling, dealing, colluding and backstabbing that happens between a group of quality players is a thing to behold. The base game is very strong, but I'm actually the person who explicitly voted for the Cities and Knights of Catan. That expansion adds a few things that I really like: ways to mitigate the randomness of the dice rolls and a tense cooperate/compete mechanic related to the encroaching barbarian ship. Decided whether to pull your weight defending the island, become a military superpower or simply let everyone else do the heavy lifting when the time comes is really compelling. Unfortunately, I rarely get to play C&K, because my group of regular players disbanded a long while back and the people I play with now don't know the game well and don't enjoy getting demolished by me every time we play. One thing that bothers me about Settlers is that they changed the art for the game a few years back, meaning that I'll have to scour eBay if I ever want a matching 5-6 player expansion for my copy of C&K. But I also recognize that I'll probably never actually play that version of the game again, so it's no great loss.

#4 - Pandemic Pandemic is fantastic, although at some point it kind of felt like a solved game for us (though admittedly, we weren't using the extra Epidemic cards to bump the difficulty up). I've always wanted to try the On the Brink expansion, which I've heard great things about. I even bought the damn compatibility pack, because THEY CHANGED THE DAMN ART AGAIN and I couldn't find the expansion with the old-style art. But I haven't played it yet and I probably never will, as I now have Pandemic Legacy and it's just too fucking good. It's possible that I will never play another round of Pandemic after we finish the Legacy campaign, because I don't know how we'll ever recapture that magic. I give it my highest recommendation.
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How exciting!

Guess Who is certainly a great game...I think I forgot it when I put my list together, though.
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Wow, I'm surprised we're starting right out with something getting four mentions. I guess the total number of interesting board games is a good bit smaller than many of our other recent topics, though.

I may have played Guess Who once or twice as a child but I'm not really sure. There is one game high up on my list that I was introduced to recently which has some similar categorization mechanics but more involved gameplay and a much bigger solution space - but since I'm not very plugged in to board game circles I have no idea whether it's popular enough to make the list.
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I guess the total number of interesting board games is a good bit smaller than many of our other recent topics, though.
I disagree, but then I have more than 50 games within ten feet of me right now.
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I almost never played board games as an adult until my sister brought a bunch with her this Thanksgiving and that whole experience owned. (Now I still... almost never play. My list was short as hell) I'm sure there are lots of interesting board games, (that's why I'm excited for this top 50) but playing with a group of more than two is an uncommon commitment.
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I never played Guess Who growing up. I do remember the TV ads for it though...

4 votes to get in at last place, huh? I'm worried many of the games on my list will not make it now.
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Interested to see how many of my games made the list, since it seems like it took quite a few mentions to get onto this list at all...
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4 votes to get in at last place, huh? I'm worried many of the games on my list will not make it now.
Consider instead that lots of collision means that more of your games will end up on the list, since more people voted for the same things!
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I disagree, but then I have more than 50 games within ten feet of me right now.
Sure, but there's easily 500 comics within ten feet of me. Okay, not 500 different titles, but still. Someone could easily have 500 movies or 500 books on a shelf. There's tons of great games but I'm pretty sure the number is still a small fraction of most of the other kinds of media we've been drawing from, even when cut down by genre.
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Sure, but there's easily 500 comics within ten feet of me. Okay, not 500 different titles, but still. Someone could easily have 500 movies or 500 books on a shelf. There's tons of great games but I'm pretty sure the number is still a small fraction of most of the other kinds of media we've been drawing from, even when cut down by genre.
Probably the number that most people are familiar with is pretty similar though.
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My sister refused to play Guess Who with me after I got a lucky guess and just flipped over the entire board minus one person on my first question once.

No clue what that question was in retrospect.
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Guess Who? gets much more fun when you make it entirely subejective.

"Does your person look like a creep?" "Is vanilla your person's favourite flavour?" "Does your person work in HR?"
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Guess Who. Not my favorite, but certainly a classic. Interested to see how many of my games made the list, since it seems like it took quite a few mentions to get onto this list at all...
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