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Old 09-22-2016, 11:44 AM
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I mentioned it to some friends who I thought might appreciate the character study and history involved but they had a super negative reaction immediately and effectively shut down the conversation.
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Old 09-22-2016, 02:11 PM
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Yeah, but neither myself nor my friends are Mormon. One's an athiest and one's a non-practicing Jew.

They don't care whether this book takes a negative view to Joseph Smith, to them, considering him at all is a complete waste of time.

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If you are enjoying it though and would like more of the same WITH a lot more character study and speculation look into the Naked Mormonism podcast.
I may check it out. I'm not especially interesting in Mormonism as much as I am Joseph Smith himself though.
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Old 09-22-2016, 02:13 PM
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Yeah, but neither myself nor my friends are Mormon. One's an athiest and one's a non-practicing Jew.

They don't care whether this book takes a negative view to Joseph Smith, to them, considering him at all is a complete waste of time.



I may check it out. I'm not especially interesting in Mormonism as much as I am Joseph Smith himself though.
Its a history of the religion. Using non LDS approved sources. Its in the 100s so far and its all still Joe.
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Old 09-22-2016, 02:20 PM
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Its a history of the religion. Using non LDS approved sources. Its in the 100s so far and its all still Joe.
Nice, sounds fun. I may give it a go after I finish the book.
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Old 09-22-2016, 02:30 PM
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Wound up accidentally reading 2/3rds of Out of the Silent Planet and finishing it, and I concur with Octo. My favorite part is at the end, when Weston starts speaking broken Malacandrian and jangling beads in front of the aliens like they're newborns.
There is a lot I love about that book, but one of the things that sticks with me the most was Ransom calming himself down when he realizes he's going to be given over to some unimaginable beings with unearthly biology after he realizes that unearthly biology probably stops working after you put a knife in it, somewhere.

And then he actually meets a Martian and they immediately become Besties, bonding over a mutaal love of linguistics.
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Old 09-22-2016, 07:08 PM
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That part made me wonder if it was intended by Lewis as some kind of meta-commentary on the themes in Lovecraft's work. On the other hand, I've found essays comparing their approaches to the cosmic unknown, but I couldn't find anything suggesting Lewis was even aware of Lovecraft, at least not yet.

Looking up the Space Trilogy's origins doesn't help much. Wikipedia just says it came from Lewis and Tolkien deciding "Let's you and me write stories about outer space!"
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Old 09-22-2016, 07:11 PM
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I did too, but I think that part specifically mentioned Welles, which would make sense since it's not like there was a heck of a lot of other Martians in popular culture to use as a comparison at the time.

And it's not like Lovecraft had a monopoly on squiddy-lookin' space varmints
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Old 09-23-2016, 08:57 PM
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Old 09-24-2016, 07:00 AM
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FX Toole is like reading mirror universe James Ellroy. Hard boiled LA except everyone's kind and hardworking and decent to the bone. They still die like crazy. It's not that different
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Old 09-24-2016, 11:58 AM
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FX Toole is like reading mirror universe James Ellroy. Hard boiled LA except everyone's kind and hardworking and decent to the bone. They still die like crazy. It's not that different
For a second I was thinking "Didn't he write those novel adaptations of NES games?"
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Old 09-24-2016, 01:47 PM
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Finished up Live By Night, which was a proper gangster epic. I am perplexed as to how Lehane apparently managed to write a sequel, but I'll sure read it.
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Old 09-24-2016, 02:55 PM
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I got a Kindle gift card for my Birthday and I was very excited to get the new Locke Lamora book...

And then I learned it was delayed until NEXT September
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Old 09-24-2016, 03:31 PM
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This guy's got issues. Here's my tip to would be fantasy writers, don't commit yourself to writing a long drawn out series if you plan to have a social life, unless you're Stephen King or Brandon Sanderson, because they seem to have the formula down
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Old 09-24-2016, 03:52 PM
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Speaking of which, how's Pat Rothfuss coming along?
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Old 09-24-2016, 03:53 PM
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This guy's got issues. Here's my tip to would be fantasy writers, don't commit yourself to writing a long drawn out series if you plan to have a social life, unless you're Stephen King or Brandon Sanderson, because they seem to have the formula down
Yeah, I know, I'm just kicking myself for misreading the release date.
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Old 09-24-2016, 06:15 PM
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you didn't misread. it was supposed to be this September, but keeps on getting pushed back
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Old 09-24-2016, 06:17 PM
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Speaking of which, how's Pat Rothfuss coming along?
too busy playing D&D I imagine. Like, I see him participating in those live games and all I could think about was, finish your damn book
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Old 09-25-2016, 03:18 AM
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too busy playing D&D I imagine. Like, I see him participating in those live games and all I could think about was, finish your damn book
man, back off. a guy's gotta have a life outside his goddamn job. Especially because without D&D etc. the books would never have existed in the first place.
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Old 09-25-2016, 06:06 AM
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He also helps run a charity, has been putting together a con, and is currently working to put together a Kingkiller TV series. Also he has two kids.

his book isn't not finished because he plays D&D too much. He's got a lot of important stuff going on.
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Old 09-25-2016, 06:38 AM
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and is currently working to put together a Kingkiller TV series.
I'd hope the series gets finished before that starts...

But then, I also hoped that about ASoIaF
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Old 09-25-2016, 09:35 AM
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I'm about a quarter of the way through Abaddons Gate. Which is following the series formula of chucking a ragtag band of misfits (and assorted extras) into other sci-fi series.

In the first, it was Dead Space, in the second it was Alien: Resurrection and now it's 2001 (if the Monoliths were gigantic, and made of meat). So quality of inspiration has been going up, if nothing else.
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Old 09-25-2016, 09:08 PM
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currently working to put together a Kingkiller TV series.
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Old 09-26-2016, 08:50 AM
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I finally finished JR by William Gaddis. It was a lot of work, but excellent. It took until maybe the last third of the book before I really felt like I understood what was going on. Even in the early parts the dialogue is snappy and charming, somewhere between the Cohen Bros. and the Marx Bros. It's a satirical 1970's precursor to The Big Short. I can't recommend it to everyone, but if you're willing to put some work in you will get a lot out of it.

Then, over the last few days I read The Word for World is Forest by Ursula K. LeGuin. This was a super fast read, and also excellent. I don't think it's her strongest book, but she can do no wrong in my eyes. She is incredibly good at shifting perspectives to completely alien creatures. I only have about 10 of her books left to read, but the good news is that I can just start them all over when I reach the end.

And this morning I started The Sorcerer's House by Gene Wolfe. It's off to a good start, and I'm looking forward to Loki's podcast about it.
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Old 09-26-2016, 08:51 AM
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~yay!~
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Old 09-26-2016, 10:39 AM
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The Starmen of Llyrdis by Leigh Brackett.
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Old 09-26-2016, 01:49 PM
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Prince of Thorns by Mark Lawrence. Really enjoying it so far
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Old 09-28-2016, 04:25 AM
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On to the next book, King of Thorns
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Old 09-28-2016, 10:30 PM
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Just finished The Midnight Queen by Sylvia Izzo Hunter, which I rather liked but think was in desperate need of a second pass at editing.
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Old 09-29-2016, 03:31 PM
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So I finished The Republic of Thieves.

Does anybody like the reveal of Locke's identity? Seemed like too much to me.
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Old 09-29-2016, 03:47 PM
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I like the total ambiguity that Locke himself can't possibly know if it's true, and that not knowing is the perfect revenge on him.
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