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Old 07-26-2010, 02:38 PM
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Default Sherlock. A detective for the modern age.

So Steve Moffat's reinterpretation of Sherlock Holmes was on yesterday and was pretty great. Martin Freeman was a surprisingly good Watson and Benedict Cumberbatch was fantastic as Holmes. They obviously had to change bits to fit modernity. For instance, in the original Watson was pensioned off from the Army having got a bullet in Afghanistan. In this version he's pensioned off from the army having got shot in, er, Afghanistan. Funny how we seem to be fighting the same bloody war again.

We also got to meet Mycroft Holmes, who seems to be more important to this version of the story.

Basically Sherlock Holmes made the transition to the modern era pretty painlessly. Needless to say I'm looking forward the rest of the series. Did any Tyrants get to see it?
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Old 07-26-2010, 02:40 PM
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I thought modern Holmes was just House, M.D.?

Also, what does this air on?
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Old 07-26-2010, 02:42 PM
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I thought modern Holmes was just House, M.D.?

Also, what does this air on?
BitTorrent.

I'm on hold on this one until I get a chance to watch it all in one shot, but as noted in the Unrelated Thread, I'm preternaturally geeked for it - Mark Gattiss, another Doctor Who writer / actor (the bad guy in "The Lazarus Experiment") is also on-board with Moffat. I want Moffat to pick out a different turn-of-the-century work every offseason and update it.

It did massive ratings yesterday in the UK - higher even than Top Gear with Cruise and Diaz, and I think higher than any of Doctor Who's World-Cup-diminished numbers this past season.
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Mark Gatiss is also very good in it. Very good indeed.
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Old 07-26-2010, 03:33 PM
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I'm really curious about this. "Jekyl" was pretty well done even though the TWIST ENDING was a bit of a groaner. Besides, it's (usually) pretty hard to totally screw up Sherlock Holmes.
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IBesides, it's (usually) pretty hard to totally screw up Sherlock Holmes.
(Starts humming the "Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd Century" theme...)
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BitTorrent.
Oh hey boo!

I thought we Talking Tyrants were all forthright and ever vigilant propertarians.

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Old 07-26-2010, 04:24 PM
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Oh hey boo!

I thought we Talking Tyrants were all forthright and ever vigilant propertarians.

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Yeah, because we all wait the three weeks for Doctor Who.

Not to mention that downloading TV series is legal in Canada, so nyah nyah.
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Benedict Cumberbatch
That's a real name?

/google

...Holy crap!
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That's a real name?

/google

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I originally put a (!) after it. Yeah, that's some name.
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Old 07-27-2010, 07:35 AM
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I couldn't resist and got through it last night.

Holy shit was that ever great.

I'll admit to being played by the swerve at the end - and, more importantly, that Moffat is apparently not characterizing Mycroft as ACD did, but rather as he's painted by Alan Moore in League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.. Which was awesome. It passed Moffat's "that's really clever..." test from moment one, updating Watson's origin so cleverly that I'm stunned I didn't make the connection going in. I'm sure that the more hardcore fans will be pissed at the diagnosis of Holmes as a high-functioning sociopath, but, well, that's pretty much always been the diagnosis I'd give him (same as Batman, really).

TONS of great lines, as well. The "judging by the state of your knees..." line was the best of the lot, but there were too many to count.

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"No, she was leaving an angry message in German. Of course she was writing Rachel."
I was a bit upset that they're bringing up Moriarty so early, but I can give them that little bit of dalliance since they've only got three stories to play around with.

Interestingly, Matt Smith apparently auditioned for Watson, but was rejected because he was playing him too much like Holmes. And the entire time I was watching Cumberbatch's Holmes, I was thinking "he's slipping into sounding like Matt Smith's Doctor."

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Yeah, exactly. I don't think it'll stop at three episodes though - if it doesn't get a second (hopefully longer) series then there's absolutely no justice. The thing about Sherlock Holmes is the only reason that it's set in the late 19th century is that's when it was written. There's nothing really in the characters or setting that require it to stay there.

So brilliant. Can't wait for next week's episode.
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Is it my imagination, or are they using the exact music from the Downey/Law movie?

Also: Holmes looks way too young.

Also, all I could think about the final setup was Princess Bride. And I'm betting they were both "bad". Or both "good"; possibly some kind of medication that was alright for him, but fatal to others? Who knows...
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I had not heard this was a thing until today and all of it has been positively raving. I'm checking this out as I type.

Edit: wow that was really good. Er did not expect to see so much modern day tech stuff written seamlessly into the story in a way that worked so well.

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Is it my imagination, or are they using the exact music from the Downey/Law movie?

Also: Holmes looks way too young.
Yeah, the music was actually my big complaint now that I think about it - it was too reminiscent of stuff you'd normally hear associated with Holmes, and may have been the same stuff exactly (I haven't watched the movie since the week the BR came out).

As for Holmes' age... he's supposed to be in his early 30s at the time of the first stories, so Cumberbatch is about right for it - he's 34. Remember, Holmes is still taking classes at the time of the first story - Watson's first description of him is that he's a "student."
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Old 07-28-2010, 11:17 AM
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I kind of wish the ending had been a little different either having Sherlock pick the "bad" one, both of them be bad, or something, that made Watson actually have to save him, instead of it being a maybe. Also, kinda callous how little Watson seemed to care about shooting someone.

Still, I highly enjoyed it, and I'm eagerly awaiting the next episode. I enjoyed the music, but I haven't really watched much of the Sherlock Holmes series in general, so that's probably why it didn't bother me. I really enjoyed how they showed off all the deductions, they did a much better job than how most procedurals end up doing it.

I love how Sherlock compares with Moffat's version of the Doctor actually, they're both incredibly similar, but Sherlock is kind of the Doctor without any of the empathy.

Regardless, I need to buy this when it hits DVD, since it's really that good.
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That was really great. Really, really great.
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Old 07-28-2010, 11:25 AM
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Alright so Girlfriend and I watched this because I got her all excited about it. It was way longer than I thought it was, but it zipped by anyway. Really, really enjoyed it.

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TONS of great lines, as well. The "judging by the state of your knees..." line was the best of the lot, but there were too many to count.
Yeah, that one was definitely the best among tons of great lines.

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Edit: wow that was really good. Er did not expect to see so much modern day tech stuff written seamlessly into the story in a way that worked so well.
That's probably my favorite thing about it. And - dumb as this sounds - it kind of reminded me of Crank of all things, the way it has no problem throwing sparse graphics or odd half-transitions into the mix like it's no big deal. Very much a fan of that.

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As for Holmes' age... he's supposed to be in his early 30s at the time of the first stories, so Cumberbatch is about right for it - he's 34. Remember, Holmes is still taking classes at the time of the first story - Watson's first description of him is that he's a "student."
Even so, he looks considerably younger than that. I loved his Holmes, but his baby face still kind of bothered me.

Watson, on the other hand, was pretty great. It took me a few minutes to even realize it was Tim from The Office!
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Watson, on the other hand, was pretty great. It took me a few minutes to even realize it was Tim from The Office!
Arthur Dent, too.

And, yeah, it's three 90-minute mini-movies... and when they say "90 minutes" in the UK, they damn well MEAN 90 minutes.
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When it's the BBC we do. I really liked Watson's brittleness. Very well done.
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As for Holmes' age... he's supposed to be in his early 30s at the time of the first stories, so Cumberbatch is about right for it - he's 34. Remember, Holmes is still taking classes at the time of the first story - Watson's first description of him is that he's a "student."
Cumberbatch looks really young for his age. I'd guessed him to be in his mid 20s. Color me surprised. Didn't mind how young I thought he'd looked since it worked with the disdain the cops where showing him since at least they were being jerks because it looked like some kid was sticking his nose in their case.

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Arthur Dent, too.
I knew Watson looked familiar. I just hadn't been able to place him.
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I'm not sure 90 minutes counts as a 'mini' movie. That's feature length.

Anyway, a smart adaptation of A Study In Scarlet, although having read it recently I did see the twists coming. It was probably sensible changing the motivation, too, because the original concerns itself with a truly torturous revenge plot involving Mormons back when Mormons were exciting and foreign.
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I'm not sure 90 minutes counts as a 'mini' movie. That's feature length.

Anyway, a smart adaptation of A Study In Scarlet, although having read it recently I did see the twists coming. It was probably sensible changing the motivation, too, because the original concerns itself with a truly torturous revenge plot involving Mormons back when Mormons were exciting and foreign.
A Study in Scarlet also sucked.
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A Study in Scarlet also sucked.
Look, you can't invent an entire genre and make it so it holds up countless iterations later. Exotic Mormons were par for the course back then. You had to come up with some reason why someone would murder another in England, home of the English, and the best way to do that is to be scandalous about the impropriety of foreigners.
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I just started reading A Study in Scarlett this morning because I'd not read it before. Now you guys are making me not want to read anymore.
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A Study In Scarlet isn't that good - you can tell it's the first Holmes story as it's a bit experimental. Half of it doesn't have Holmes or Watson in it and takes place in America. As has been discussed, it's not exactly friendly to Mormons, either.

There are some websites for the series, as you'd expect:

John Watson's blog.

The Science of Deduction.
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Look, you can't invent an entire genre and make it so it holds up countless iterations later. Exotic Mormons were par for the course back then. You had to come up with some reason why someone would murder another in England, home of the English, and the best way to do that is to be scandalous about the impropriety of foreigners.
True, but the story's structurally horrible - Holmes all but solves the case, and then it spends another equal length of text talking about said exotic Mormons with no sign of Holmes. When I first read it for a "reading diary" assignment in Grade 8, I think my diary entry for the first part of the Mormon stuff was "did I get a misprinted book?"

tungwene: Read it until you get a very strange scene in the States, then skip to the last couple of pages. The next couple of stories are really good, however.

I kind of guessed that Watson would wind up blogging about his adventures with Holmes - it's the logical modernisation. It's interesting how easily Watson moves into modern times, what with Afghanistan being a military theatre again and his style of recounting events being exactly what bloggers do.
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I just started reading A Study in Scarlett this morning because I'd not read it before. Now you guys are making me not want to read anymore.
Three of the four novels have long flashback sections where Holmes and Watson are absent. Doyle found it hard to write long Holmes stories because his detective was so damn good at what he did. Reading the short stories is probably the best introduction - "The Red-Headed League", "The Speckled Band", "Silver Blaze", "A Scandal in Bohemia", etc.

On the other hand, I re-read A Study in Scarlet earlier this month and had a great time with it. It's short and sweet, and the American sections aren't terribly long.
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