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Old 02-25-2018, 11:41 PM
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Okay, pop quiz. Please separate the musical sub-genres with existing Wikipedia pages from the fake sub-genres I have made up on the spot. No fair looking them up ahead of time. Ready....go!

- Quiet Storm
- Space Disco
- Highlife
- Sophisti-pop
- Hardbeat
- Lyrical Metal
- Powerviolence
- Thrash Folk
- Skweee
- Hi-NRG
- Cloud Rock
- Nintendocore
- Popstyle
- Seapunk
- Progressive Country
- Shoegaze
- Yacht Rock
- Nu-bluegrass
- Witch House
- Buzz-Hop
- Filk Music
- Moombahton

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Old 02-26-2018, 12:03 AM
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none of this fazes me anymore because i've played bemani games for eight years now and even the ones i've never heard of wouldn't be out of place next to incredible genres like "human sequencer," "winter glow," or my personal favorite, "deep spectrum"

pop'n is even better since for about 20 versions they tried to give as many songs as possible unique genre names (such that most people in the english fandom referred to songs by them rather than proper titles (which are much more commonly in japanese than songs in jubeat or iidx)), but i barely know where to start with that since some of them got REALLY weird. like "negame rock," which seems to have been chosen as a parody of the earlier song genre "megane rock" (and that song later got a jazzy rearrangement with the genre "megane swing")

and the boss and credits songs in particular tended to end up with genres that more describe the current game or song's "theme" than any kind of musical quality, like "niente" (nothing), "silent", "after a party", or "angelion"

unfortunately the concept has been deprecated and while they haven't thrown out most of the old song selection banners (which still have them written on them) none of the new songs in any bemani game except iidx still get genre names

edit: ok i looked up a couple i was truly unfamiliar with any concept of and now i think none of these are "fake"

of course everything is made up but you know

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Old 02-26-2018, 06:00 AM
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At some point I realized that every band just sort of had it's own subgenre.

I think it was when I found out that 9 Pound Hammer was classified as "Cowpunk".
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Old 02-26-2018, 06:12 AM
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This is exactly what one of my favorite podcasts, Beyond Yacht Rock, is about.

I love arbitrary subgenres because they're a reminder that music has social context and isn't just vibrations floating in the aether. All of the ten billion ridiculous variations on metal and electronic music you can look up on Wikipedia are reflections of real, distinct subcultures.
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Old 02-26-2018, 06:34 AM
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Shoegaze is certainly a thing, originally describing bands purported to have little to no stage presence, who played their instruments staring at the ground, thus the term. Of course, it also has a distinct sound- fuzzy guitars, distorted vocals, lots of pedal effects. I've also heard it referred to as "dream pop" which is accurate enough but a slightly different thing.

Shoegaze originally meant bands like My Bloody Valentine but you can hear a bit of it in others - Failure, Hum, Joy Formidable, certain Smashing Pumpkins songs, Catherine Wheel.

Yacht Rock is also a thing. Christopher Cross comes to mind.

I'm going to go out on limb and assume that all of these are a sub-genres. Sub-genres seem like they exist for the media or for fans. For example, if I told you Mastodon was metal, you'd have an idea of what I mean. But if you were a big metal fan, telling you Mastodon is metal is somewhat meaningless. If I said "Southern progressive metal" or "sludge metal", you'd have a better idea. Slayer and Iron Maiden are both metal (thrash and British heavy, respectively), and they don't sound like each other, and neither sounds like Mastodon.

Point being that these sub-genres can be useful depending on the audience and context.
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“Shoegaze” is my favourite genre name for the way it communicates absolutely nothing about the sound in question.

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This is exactly what one of my favorite podcasts, Beyond Yacht Rock, is about.
This sounds neat, I’ll have to give it a go.
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Man I really hope "Powerviolence" is real, although it sounds like something I'd never want to listen to.
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Old 02-26-2018, 09:11 AM
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Okay, pop quiz. Please separate the musical sub-genres with existing Wikipedia pages from the fake sub-genres I have made up on the spot. No fair looking them up ahead of time. Ready....go!
Ones I know are for sure real:
- Space Disco
- Highlife
- Sophisti-pop
- Hi-NRG
- Seapunk
- Shoegaze
- Yacht Rock
- Nu-bluegrass
- Witch House
- Filk Music
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Quiet storm is definitely one, though it's more of a radio format encompassing a lot of soft R&B. I remember an SNL sketch from the '90s about it.
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“Shoegaze” is my favourite genre name for the way it communicates absolutely nothing about the sound in question.
I might be wrong, but I was always under the impression it was called Shoegaze because the guitarists are always staring at their pedal board.


Almost as dumb as "Emo".
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I might be wrong, but I was always under the impression it was called Shoegaze because the guitarists are always staring at their pedal board.
Yeah, it's combination of that, their lack of stage presence and the scene's closeness (appearing at each other's shows got them the name "the scene that celebrates itself"; cf "shoegazing" to "navelgazing").

But what I mean is that if you don't already know how it got its name, then "shoegaze" doesn't tell you anything. Like, even if someone doesn't know what "yacht rock" is, they can at least discern that it's a flavour of rock music. But what can you really get from "shoegaze"? Maybe that it's introspective and sad, but you're still left wondering what it actually sounds like!
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The name shoegaze has a vague connection to the music — the performers were always looking at their feet because the music makes heavy use of effects pedals. Granted, nothing you can discern just from reading the name.
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I think if I heard "shoegaze" without knowing what it was attached to, I would think of nervous, sulky young men awkwardly staring at their feet in social situations.

Which is pretty damned apt, IMO.
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Click the spoiler tag to see the fake (as of now) sub-genres.


- Hardbeat
- Lyrical Metal
- Thrash Folk
- Popstyle
- Progressive Country
- Nu-bluegrass
- Buzz-Hop


The replies in this thread have been great! I’ll put a better post in once I’m not at work.
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Old 02-26-2018, 11:28 AM
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Man I really hope "Powerviolence" is real, although it sounds like something I'd never want to listen to.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerviolence
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I think if I heard "shoegaze" without knowing what it was attached to, I would think of nervous, sulky young men awkwardly staring at their feet in social situations.

Which is pretty damned apt, IMO.
I was in the midwest indie scene when shoegaze popped its head up again, and nothing I can see or hear will ever convince me this isn't the real source of the name
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Click the spoiler tag to see the fake (as of now) sub-genres.


- Hardbeat
- Lyrical Metal
- Thrash Folk
- Popstyle
- Progressive Country
- Nu-bluegrass
- Buzz-Hop


The replies in this thread have been great! I’ll put a better post in once I’m not at work.
Those are the ones I thought for sure were real.

Welp, apparently I can’t tell reality apart from fiction. We all knew this day was coming, just didn’t think it was going to be today.
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Okay, pop quiz. Please separate the musical sub-genres with existing Wikipedia pages from the fake sub-genres I have made up on the spot. No fair looking them up ahead of time. Ready....go!

- Quiet Storm
- Space Disco
- Highlife
- Sophisti-pop
- Hardbeat
- Lyrical Metal
- Powerviolence
- Thrash Folk
- Skweee
- Hi-NRG
- Cloud Rock
- Nintendocore
- Popstyle
- Seapunk
- Progressive Country
- Shoegaze
- Yacht Rock
- Nu-bluegrass
- Witch House
- Buzz-Hop
- Filk Music
- Moombahton
Only actual Witch House is "Salem" but I would 100% recommend it to anyone. It's moody, sonorous trap/hip hop. It's bananas and I love it.

I guess there are others, but Salem had the term coined about them.

Purity Ring is also rad though
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Witch house sounds like a VD.
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Shoegaze originally meant bands like My Bloody Valentine but you can hear a bit of it in others - Failure, Hum, Joy Formidable, certain Smashing Pumpkins songs, Catherine Wheel.
Oh shit, I think shoegaze may be one of my favorite types of music.
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I'm not even close to a connoisseur of shoegaze but Vapour Trail by Ride is among my favorite songs.
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Only actual Witch House is "Salem" but I would 100% recommend it to anyone. It's moody, sonorous trap/hip hop. It's bananas and I love it.

I guess there are others, but Salem had the term coined about them.

Purity Ring is also rad though
+1 Purity Ring! I don't think they would count as Witch House, but I guess I can see it if I squint hard enough. The first band that comes to mind for me is oOoOO:

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Old 02-26-2018, 06:15 PM
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I also want to give some special attention to the Filk Singing genre. It's ballads about spacemen, bombastic galactic tales, lyrics of sci-fi optimism and heartbreak all stemming from a bunch of folks hanging out at early fantasy conventions making up songs in the 50's and 60's.

It's great and sometimes absurd stuff. Like, listen to this:


If the idea of Carmen Miranda's spirit just hanging out on a space station bugging the crap out of the crew on a whim, set to music, doesn't at least pique your interest then I don't know what to say really. (Bonus fact: This song spawned an entire short story anthology; please go read it.)
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Dark wave.

(Also, a lot of these sound like they could be from a video game or tabletop RPG. Especially Moombahton.

Moombahton uses Dark Wave. It's super effective!)

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Slayer and Iron Maiden are both metal (thrash and British heavy, respectively)
The latter is from the new wave of that. (New is a relative term there.)

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+1 Purity Ring! I don't think they would count as Witch House, but I guess I can see it if I squint hard enough. The first band that comes to mind for me is oOoOO:

Once upon a time we would have called something like this "trip hop". Think: Tricky, Portishead, Massive Attack.
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Dark wave? Did I hear dark wave?

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Once upon a time we would have called something like this "trip hop". Think: Tricky, Portishead, Massive Attack.
Sneaker Pimps and U.N.K.L.E. too. Love me some Trip Hop.
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Electronic music genres might be the most convoluted pit of musical classification in existence. There are so many genres that are variants of "House" music that it's kinda insane. Remember when it all used to just be called Techno?


Metal/hardcore is definitely a contender for the most convoluted title, though.

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I know I've posted this before, and I'm not sure how up-to-date it is, but anyway, Ishkur's Guide To Electronic Music is an interactive map of all the various electronic genres up through at least 2006.
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Electronic music genres might be the most convoluted pit of musical classification in existence. There are so many genres that are variants of "House" music that it's kinda insane. Remember when it all used to just be called Techno?
House is the original electronic dance music, so it makes sense that there are a ton of micro-variations, based on what drugs the artists/audience prefer.
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