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Old 12-14-2018, 03:02 PM
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I saw that The Batman Who Laughs from the big Not Crisis event they recently did is getting his own spin off series, so I decided to look up his wiki entry...

...Seriously, this character is terrible. As if there wasn't enough "What if Batman was Evil" archetypes floating around the DC multiverse, this one really doesn't bring anything new to the table aside from "How dark and edgy can we make one of these evil Batmen?"
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Old 12-14-2018, 03:08 PM
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Moreover, The Batman Who Laughs is exactly Judge Death.

Like... exactly.

Maybe with a sprinkle of the end of Arkham Knight to keep 2000 ADs legal team off their back
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Old 12-14-2018, 08:34 PM
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I think the character worked in the context of Metal, but I had no desire to see him return.
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Old 12-15-2018, 12:35 PM
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I saw some stuff from the most recent issue of Batman Damned (you'll remember this title as the one where Bruce showed his wang off) and oh my god. What a fucking trainwreck. Somebody stop Brian Azzarello!
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Old 12-16-2018, 05:50 AM
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Oh, yeah, that happened.
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Old 12-31-2018, 10:55 AM
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I've been working my way through the original Golden Age run of Batman comics, and I've just stumbled on the story that inspired the Animated Series episode "Never Too Late" ("Payment In Full", Batman #11) Well, "inspired" is putting it lightly as the animated version basically lifts whole plot points from the comic.

The two stories start from exactly the same premise of childhood friends taking different paths, one good and honest, the other corrupt and wicked.

The ending's very different in the original, though. The boy who becomes a gangster doesn't repent his ways or do any sort of good deed at the end, he's basically a completely unrepentant jerk the whole way through. No lessons learned.

The odd thing about a lot of pre-code comics is you'd expect them to be more moralising given the era and young audience they were written for, but often they just end with no particular message at all.
Revisiting this post a bit over a year later as I'm now approaching the end of Batman's Silver Age, it's been quite a journey.

I have to admit, the last couple of years of Bat-issues(currently up to the latter half of 1961) have started to really drag. At first I was enthusiastic for crazy sci-fi Batman adventures, but read sequentially the plots get super-repetitive.

My understanding is editor Jack Schiff was instructed to push the Batbooks in a sci-fi direction as it had done so well for DC's other titles. But Schiff, not being a fan or having a wide knowledge of the speculative fiction genre, assumed sci-fi=aliens. So every other story has aliens in it now. It's got to the point where you know whenever there's a mystery element in any story, the answer is going to be ALIENS DID IT.

there are some outright classics from this era like "Am I Really Batman?" and "Robin Dies At Dawn" but they're spread pretty thin. I have come to appreciate the Bat Family stories(Batwoman, Batgirl, Bathound, etc) as they are at least a change-up from the formula and give Batman & Robin something else to do other than punch gangsters or aliens. But oh boy, I can't wait for this era to be over. It's so tempting to skip ahead a couple of years to get to the "new look" era but, well, I've come this far now...
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Old 01-02-2019, 07:45 AM
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If you're not into GRIM and DARK comics, you won't like Scott Snyder's Batman, but man it's good.
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Old 01-02-2019, 08:26 AM
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I haven't read all of Snyder's Batman, but I wouldn't call what I read grim. It's dark, but it tends to be too ridiculous to be grim.
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Old 01-02-2019, 08:35 AM
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Fair point
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:49 AM
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Picked up the first Young Justice volume on Hoopla and so far it is the most 1998-ass thing I have ever read. I love it.
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Old 01-08-2019, 07:21 AM
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Picked up the first Young Justice volume on Hoopla and so far it is the most 1998-ass thing I have ever read. I love it.
Peter David was firing in all cylinders when writing that series. For better and worse.
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Old 01-08-2019, 10:28 AM
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Absolute low-point has been the gag about the super-villain with large breasts, however, to me, I can overlook it for the other pun-based jokes and the fact that Peter David thinks itís incredibly stupid whenever Superboy talks about his tactile telekinesis. (I have read two issues and the Dezago specials... not v. much)
From the specials, a Nazi dinosaur, cloaca included, for verisimilitude

A South Park reference bc 1998

otoh, a trip to the (per the Titan Up the Defence podcast) bozone, bc this is a DC comic for youths

Also, I donít think Iíve ever like Humberto Ramosís art so much. Maybe he had more time back in the day.

Just some no-doubt fresh box office humor

Theyíre both two gay dads

Peter David

Peter David wrote this in 1998

I forget this guyís name but I love that he is annoyed by these teens

Absolute worst thing so far!


Luckily his affection for wordplay is used mostly for good

Tactile telekinesis




Same

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Old 01-08-2019, 10:50 AM
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Is the joke that she has giant boobs, but they can't show them? Cuz uhhh superhero comics.
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Old 01-08-2019, 11:01 AM
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I think it is trying to be a joke about 90's character design/art, but also a boob joke and it doesn't work. That is kind of how I remember Young Justice (its been a long time); David throws a lot out a lot of jokes and while there are misses, they tend to be overshadowed by the hits.
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Old 01-08-2019, 11:01 AM
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Well the jokes is primarily that she canít stand upright. That they donít show them (even though sheís wearing clothing) only makes the joke even more worthy of just being cut which is, from a certain perspective, an accomplishment.
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Old 01-08-2019, 11:03 AM
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Also, I donít think Iíve ever like Humberto Ramosís art so much. Maybe he had more time back in the day.
I haven't seen any of his more recent stuff beyond glimpses of Spider-Man covers, but Humbert Ramos was great with Mark Waid on Impulse as well (as you can probably see in this comic with Mark Waid Peter David from more or less the same period, where he also draws Impulse). His art is just a good fit for this kind of youthful cartoonish energy. (And yeah he probably was more willing to work himself to death when he was younger. See also, Chris Bachalo.)

I definitely read this in floppies back in the day as a kid. My excursions into (non-Vertigo) DC were JLA (because Wizard Magazine told me to read it), Impulse (because I had a crush on Impulse), and this (because Impulse was in it).

This stuff was incredibly funny to me as a tween.

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Old 01-08-2019, 11:29 AM
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(And yeah he probably was more willing to work himself to death when he was younger. See also, Chris Bachalo.)
Was going to make this point before being completely confused by the boob joke.
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:43 PM
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If you're not into GRIM and DARK comics, you won't like Scott Snyder's Batman, but man it's good.
Man, I love that run. I wouldn't call it grim at all! The use of colour is absolutely outstanding. Zero Year deserves to be remembered as an all-time classic imo.
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:45 AM
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Careful, if you say his name three times and post images of his work, he might shut you down.
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Old 01-14-2019, 11:33 PM
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Kind of amazing what a counterintuitive hassle DC has made it to read JLA Vol. 1 and its close tie-ins.
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Old 01-16-2019, 03:13 PM
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On a related note, what's the deal with The Huntress? Is she still a going concern in DC comics? She feels extremely of the 90s to me.

I don't read much DC and she's the character in the expanded roster soft reboot of Morrison's JLA run that I know the least about.
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Old 01-16-2019, 04:54 PM
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On a related note, what's the deal with The Huntress? Is she still a going concern in DC comics? She feels extremely of the 90s to me.

I don't read much DC and she's the character in the expanded roster soft reboot of Morrison's JLA run that I know the least about.
Her current, post New 52 status is incredibly garbled, as she has seemingly been split into two characters (from different Earths, even), neither of which is particularly close to the post-Crisis one Morrison was using. Comics!

The quick version is the original Ď70s one is Batman & Catwomanís daughter (Helena Wayne), then the post-Crisis Ď80s-00s revision has a Mafia-princess-gone-good backstory (Helena Bertinelli) and a very Ď90s ďattitude problemĒ that puts her and Batman often at odds. At one point she secretly reinvents herself as Batgirl, in the stitch-mouth leather suit that gets passed on to the Cassandra Cain version. I liked her in Gail Simoneís run on Birds of Prey.
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Old 01-16-2019, 06:35 PM
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My favorite thing about The Huntress is the budding romance she develops with The Question on Justice League Unlimited.
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Old 01-17-2019, 10:26 AM
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I still like pre-Crisis Helena Wayne Huntress.
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Old 01-17-2019, 02:13 PM
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I really liked N52 Earth 2 Huntress and her relationship with Powergirl. But uh... Earth 2 went to hell and that was my cue to cut bait.
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Old 01-18-2019, 10:20 AM
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Halfway through the Batwoman: Elegy trade. Good story but that art! Man, JH Williams can do no wrong in my book. Beautiful and stylish, but most importantly creative.
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Old 01-18-2019, 01:04 PM
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I just read Young Justice #1 and I have no idea how it fits into the trainwreck that is DC's current continuity. Are Impulse and Superboy supposed to be the post Crisis versions of the characters? And since when is Tim Drake back as Robin?
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And since when is Tim Drake back as Robin?
Since literally right now
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I just read Young Justice #1 and I have no idea how it fits into the trainwreck that is DC's current continuity. Are Impulse and Superboy supposed to be the post Crisis versions of the characters? And since when is Tim Drake back as Robin?
Impulse - Yes, is the post-Crisis version of himself. He got flung out of the Speedforce as a side effect of Wally attempting to retrieve his missing family in Flash #50.



Superboy - Probably also Post-Crisis? This is the first we've seen him in a while.

Tim as Robin - Beats the hell out of me; I hope we find out.

Overall Continuity - See my answer for Robin above.
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Old 01-18-2019, 02:59 PM
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Bendis is writing Young Justice, right? Arenít Bendis and continuity like oil and water?
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