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Old 08-30-2018, 08:26 AM
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Her powers are too similar to Ebony Maw.
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Old 08-30-2018, 08:30 AM
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I figured it was because she was redundant with Maw around.

Granted they still had Corvus and Proxima in there, and the only difference between them is that he has a hoody.
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Old 08-30-2018, 08:43 AM
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Spears and glaives are super different weapons
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Old 08-30-2018, 09:14 AM
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Also the S.H. Figuarts toy of Captain America comes with Glaive's glaive, for some reason, whereas the S.H. Figuarts of Black Widow doesn't come with Proxima's spear.

So clearly Corvus Glaive was added to the movie just so the Cap Figuart would have something to grab on to while he's missing his mighty shield.
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I can only hope that Supergiant was being saved for Infinitier War.
Infinity War 2 : Infinity Harder
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Old 08-30-2018, 09:29 PM
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There's a take on Infinity War that I see from time to time that bugs me, which is: Thanos is wrong, therefore the story is wrong. But I think the story is pretty clear that he's wrong. People call him on his bullshit again and again, they just don't have the power to stop him. And to me, that's one of the great things about the movie. The lesson of Infinity War is that self sacrifice is the essence of morality. Doing the right thing doesn't guarantee victory or even survival.
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Old 08-31-2018, 09:28 AM
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Thanos likes to believe that he's embarking on his mission altruistically, for the good of the universe, but the truth is he's still bitter over the rejection of his proposed solution for Titan's overpopulation. There's a reason he wants the Black Order to meet him there after they've retrieved the remaining Stones, and why he takes the time to explain its history to Strange before they fight; Titan's not his home anymore, or even his base of operations -- that's either Sanctuary (where we see him in GotG1) or his ship. But the world still looms large in his mind, and it's where he wants to perform the snap, to symbolically right the injustice committed against him in the past. He wants to prove through culling half the population of the universe that he was right in the first place.

Could the Gauntlet create more resources? Maybe; we don't really know. But could it be used to alleviate the suffering of people all over the universe, if used in the right ways? Absolutely. The tragedy of Thanos is that even when he achieves godlike power and could potentially use it for incredible good, his vision is so narrow that he can only see it as an instrument of death, and a means to soothe his wounded ego.
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Old 08-31-2018, 10:37 AM
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Old 08-31-2018, 01:03 PM
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I felt that his points about abuse were really good, but otherwise he was kind of all over the place.
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Old 08-31-2018, 02:01 PM
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Yeah I think the video's argument about the characterization of the GotG cast was a bit thin, but I haven't seen the film in a while (c'mon, Redbox...). I do agree on the notion that the movie's attempt to...humanize? Thanos mostly failed and were gross.

Still, I think you could level the same problems with his motivation / writing his plan as relatable as you could with, say, Killmonger in Black Panther. I don't think that's a problem. The reason Thanos is wrong is not that he recognizes a real issue (resources are often limited, and some uses of them are unsustainable), but that his reaction to it is so fucked up and inherently wrong; one of the reasons Thanos is wrong is that resource distribution and use is not uniform.

(The MCU thus far also has a pretty decent track record of dealing with the emotional fallout of previous movies a la Iron Man 3 and Civil War, but eh.)
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Hey, I was trying to subtweet movies with mikey.

My only other comment is I guess the abuse stuff in IW doesn't bother me as much as the 9/11 disaster porn in Avengers 1 and 2. Not that there's really a basis for saying one is better or worse.
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Old 09-01-2018, 08:17 AM
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It seems like Mikey expects us to take his plan seriously because the movie made him the main character and had a lot of heavy consequences. Similarly, I believe Film Crit Hulk didn’t like the movie because it doesn’t stand on its own at all and too much of a serialized thing.

Those are legit complaints from people who are insightful about movies, but I feel that they miss the point. It’s the 19th movie in a series that started 10 years ago. It’s paying off on a dozen movie threads and post credits scenes. It’s about a big purple guy who beats up all of our favorite heroes. It’s not really even trying to be a movie in a traditional sense, it’s a comic book that uses cinematic language, or a TV show that has more time between episodes. Like, it really is a bad movie in a lot of ways, but it’s still really good at being whatever it is.
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Old 09-01-2018, 09:04 AM
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For all Hulk is about taking movies on their own merits, I've found he has a hard time accepting movies that don't fit his idea of how a movie should be structrured. It is like you said: none of the Avenger films are supposed to be "standalone" and especially not this one which requires a sequel to even finish its story.
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Old 09-01-2018, 11:10 AM
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Yeah. No one takes the Star Wars films to task for not re-explaining who Luke Skywalker is at the top of each new one. You're expected to have seen the previous films and to generally know what's been going on. I don't know why Marvel isn't granted the same leeway in the eyes of critics. It's okay for things to exist in a series, and to build on what came before. It allows for storytelling opportunities that otherwise wouldn't be possible; if Infinity War had to bring everything to a halt to explain to the audience who all these people are and how they know each other, it'd be ten hours long.
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Old 09-01-2018, 11:26 AM
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Yeah. No one takes the Star Wars films to task for not re-explaining who Luke Skywalker is at the top of each new one. You're expected to have seen the previous films and to generally know what's been going on. I don't know why Marvel isn't granted the same leeway in the eyes of critics. It's okay for things to exist in a series, and to build on what came before. It allows for storytelling opportunities that otherwise wouldn't be possible; if Infinity War had to bring everything to a halt to explain to the audience who all these people are and how they know each other, it'd be ten hours long.
That brings to mind: for The Godfather Part II, was Vito's backstory ever tied back into Michael's ongoing story in the present? Because, if not, the someone who had never heard of the first film would have no idea why the movie spends half its runtime following a Sicilian immigrant from his childhood to adulthood while there was this other plotline about an American mob boss and his brother (whose relationship with the former wouldn't be clear until the very end).

They'd also have no idea why Michael's sister is the way she is, or what's up with Michael's marriage, or who Tom Hagen is, or...

And yet, TGF2 is considered one of the top 10 movies in history.
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Old 09-01-2018, 04:12 PM
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I don't think anything from the MCU would be that hard to follow as a stand-alone movie. But, I think you'd have to be an exceptionally dull viewer to struggle at all to piece together the connection between the stories of (1) the in the early- to mid-20th century rise of Italian mob boss Vito Corleone, who has a son named Michael and (2) the mid- to late-20th century fall of Italian mob boss Michael Corleone. Those are not complicated dots to connect, especially compared to the endless nerd lore cruft and exaggeratedly winking easter eggs that bloat up Infinity War.
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Old 09-02-2018, 11:45 AM
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My feeling is that a movie shouldn't necessarily need to stand on its own in relation to other movies in its series/universe. In the era of multiple affordable home viewing options if you go to see The Last Jedi without having watched the original trilogy and Force Awakens, that's on you.

But you should NOT have to go poring through extended universe books and comics like Gandalf in search of the One Ring in order to understand a Star War or whatever.
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Old 09-02-2018, 11:52 AM
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It's good when movies allude to each other, but some expository hints when old details become important is a courtesy to the viewer. I interpret "Infinity War" as an attempt to turn the dial on that as far as it'd go, being in that sense an emulation of the norms of the Comic Book Crossover Event.
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Old 09-02-2018, 12:06 PM
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Now that I think about it, how much advance knowledge is really required for this movie? I’m assuming that everyone in this thread, and writing the critical reviews, (and, honestly, has any inclination to watch the movie) has probably watched most (if not all) of the MCU movies, so we can’t really be totally impartial on that front, but the essential parts of the plot (like what Infinity Gems are and why Thanos wants them, and why nobody wants him to have them) are laid out pretty plainly in this movie.

The only thing you’d really need to know is that there are a lot Of Superheroes, and some of them are closer to one another than others.

Sure, you’d probably have a hard time intuiting why this one space man is an immature regular guy, or why Mark Ruffalo keeps looking like he's trying to poop out a “big guy”, but it’d still be watchable. Less liked, probably, but watchable.
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Old 09-02-2018, 12:29 PM
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I do question why someone would want to see Infinity War if the last time they saw a superhero movie was, say, last century. I guess they might have gotten dragged to it by someone else, but then that's on the someone else being a selfish asshole so...
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Old 09-02-2018, 08:01 PM
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I went to see Age of Ultron expecting a sequel to Avengers and was quite confused as a result. The issue isn't when sequels use details from their prequels, but when said sequels are named and numbered as though they're separate series from their prequels.

This issue only really affects the Avengers movies, though, and I can forgive it there since the whole point of those movies is to be a big crossover mess.
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I went to see Age of Ultron expecting a sequel to Avengers and was quite confused as a result.
I think Ultron is uniquely muddled among MCU movies, but that's not really a problem that's solvable by seeing anything else.

It's just kind of a mess!
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Ultron was mostly comprehensible but has like 2-3 plot threads that incontrovertibly shouldn't have made the final cut
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Yeah.

I think a lot of people saw those and thought, "Oh, this is my fault for not seeing more MCU movies. Presumably there's a reason why this is in the movie."

But no. Please, don't blame yourself for this.
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Old 09-03-2018, 12:22 AM
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I think I would have disliked the movie more if I'd seen Thor: The Dark World. Being able to assume the weird pool bit had something to do with that movie I wasn't familiar with made it oddly easier to accept. "Oh, there probably is a reason for this even if I don't know what it is" was basically my thought process.
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I got tired of seeing spoilers for this movie, so I finally sat down to watch it last night. The film has a few issues, but for the most part I enjoyed it a whole lot. It's basically 2.5 hours of nonstop action and banter with very little character development, but of a scope and quality that is impressive even by Marvel standards. Despite the enormity of the cast, the film just barrels along and it was over before I knew it. In particular, the whole stretch from the time that Bruce crash lands in New York until the Guardians split into teams is extremely well put together, mixing action and character interactions in a way that keeps things humming along. Outside of that, it's not 100% perfect - there were definitely more scenes of Thanos torturing people than I needed to see - but it absolutely nails the summer blockbuster formula. I won't say that it made much of an emotional impact on me, though. Loki's death was the one that hit me the most, but of course he's Loki so who knows if he's really gone for good. And the ending was such a transparent fake out that I couldn't get very worked up over it, aside maybe from the scene where Peter disappeared. But aside from that, I was thoroughly entertained and I actually laughed out loud quite a few times. I love the direction they've taken Thor in this and Ragnarok, he's just the dumbest frat boy lightning space god and it delights me every time they lean into that angle.

I'm curious to see what the next film looks like and which of the deaths will actually stick. They've clearly got to remove some of the characters from the mix, since only the most die-hard nerds can keep everybody straight at this point. I was already expecting Cap and Iron Man to bow out in this movie, so I'm almost 100% certain they'll be gone by the time A4 is over, but where they take it from there is a mystery to me. As someone who watches all the Marvel movies but only really likes a handful of them, it was encouraging to see them create something so entertaining 10 years into the MCU. We're all going to get fed up with super heroes eventually, but at least there's still some gas in the tank.
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Glad to hear you enjoyed it, even going in spoiled! Yeah, the fact that a big reset button is coming is fairly apparent to anyone who's even a little genre savvy with comic books and related media, but it's still pretty a ballsy way to end your summer blockbuster movie. I'm less interested in whether the snap will be reversed in A4 (it will), and more in what the price will be in order to accomplish that.
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I do kinda wish I had gone in completely unspoiled, I can imagine the ending was a real gut punch for people who didn’t see it coming. I could easily see believing that the good guys had won after Thor lodged his axe into Thanos’ chest...at least for a few seconds. But that would have required me to see it opening week, since the spoilers were flying fast and furious within a few days.
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Can confirm, as somebody who wasn't spoiled (and had never read the original Infinity Gauntlet comics), that the ending was absolutely stunning.
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Little late on this; if your movie has a numeral, Arabaic or Roman, somewhere in the title/subtitle, you bear some responsibility to know what happened previously.
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