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Old 06-17-2008, 08:13 PM
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Interesting perspective on Ang Lee's Hulk:



Sometimes I notice people write far more excitingly about a film than the film itself.
I love when people try to convince me why something was good, and how I'm wrong for not liking it.
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Old 06-17-2008, 08:28 PM
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Berardinelli's review was concise, but Ted Pigeon was making some arguments for how and why The Hulk was unique and subversive. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I appreciate Pigeon trying to offer a new way of seeing a movie that was not successful, especially now with this new Hulk movie. I didn't feel the article was overly evaluative.

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I love when people try to convince me why something was good, and how I'm wrong for not liking it.
Somewhere in the article, the author makes a suggestion that Hulk naysayers should be captured, burned alive, and sent back to their loved ones in little boxes containing their ashes. What a prick.
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Old 06-17-2008, 08:40 PM
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I think we've found the problem, gentlemen. A textbook case of Tragically Bad Taste in Movies.
...says the guy who didn't like Juno.
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Old 06-17-2008, 08:44 PM
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I tend to agree with Berardinelli more often than not, but I never really cared for the original Hulk. I understood what Ang Lee was going for, but the execution just felt empty to me. I felt the same way about Superman Returns, which Berardinelli also loved.

I liked the Incredible Hulk because it felt like a lightweight monster movie. It wasn’t as stylized or thoughtful as Ang Lee’s Hulk, but I thought it was much better paced and that the action sequences were far better executed.
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Old 06-17-2008, 09:07 PM
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...says the guy who didn't like Juno.
~thanks for proving my point for me~
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I love when people try to convince me why something was good, and how I'm wrong for not liking it.
Yet I do the same thing.

OMG GUISE! I just discovered why the world will never have peace
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Yes, our incompatible taste in movies is to blame.
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Old 06-17-2008, 09:25 PM
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~thanks for proving my point for me~
I've got to side with Paul here. It's far worse to like a bad movie than to dislike a good one. At least Paul can claim he's "discriminating" or whatever silly reason he uses to justify disliking Juno.
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:24 PM
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Man, where were all you guys back in the subjective/objective thread? Tomm could have used your help defending his position. =)
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:32 PM
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I liked the Incredible Hulk because it felt like a lightweight monster movie. It wasn’t as stylized or thoughtful as Ang Lee’s Hulk, but I thought it was much better paced and that the action sequences were far better executed.
The film seems to be doing fairly well at the box office right now. Given the end of the movie, wherein Bruce tries to control the Hulk, do you think that there might be a turn back to the thoughtful perspective?

I could definitely see a Hulk sequel with the '90s "smart" Hulk or Mr. Fix. Is it better off that the Hulk be angry and aggressive or is there a better story in a more controllable Hulk?
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I think the Spider-Man trilogy is very accurate if you compare it to the comic book's history. It had a more than decent start in the 60's, then it went up sky high in the 70's and part of the 80's and finally it collapsed to the ground in the 90s. And that's where we are right now.
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:41 PM
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Backing Shawn up here. Spiderman 3 was the least good of the movies, but was by no means bad.
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:46 PM
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Backing Shawn up here. Spiderman 3 was the least good of the movies, but was by no means bad.
T'ank you. Also:

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I could definitely see a Hulk sequel with the '90s "smart" Hulk or Mr. Fix. Is it better off that the Hulk be angry and aggressive or is there a better story in a more controllable Hulk?
Crap yes. The first movie sets up the character, the second lets us get to know him better, the third does something that takes the character in a new direction, and the ending of the IH sets the series up for it.
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Old 06-17-2008, 11:14 PM
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How lame are you guys arguing over whether or not you're allowed to like bad movies or dislike good ones?

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Yes, I am saying you are "lame high". It's, uh, it's Australian slang.
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Old 06-17-2008, 11:16 PM
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The film seems to be doing fairly well at the box office right now. Given the end of the movie, wherein Bruce tries to control the Hulk, do you think that there might be a turn back to the thoughtful perspective?

I could definitely see a Hulk sequel with the '90s "smart" Hulk or Mr. Fix. Is it better off that the Hulk be angry and aggressive or is there a better story in a more controllable Hulk?
I think either idea can work if they get the right people behind it. If they’re planning to do another sequel before they go down the Avengers route, then a story about Bruce learning to completely control the “Hulk” side of him could work really well. I don’t know if the angry and aggressive Hulk could even work for the Avengers movie.
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Old 06-17-2008, 11:35 PM
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Backing Shawn up here. Spiderman 3 was the least good of the movies, but was by no means bad.
Hey, don't get me wrong. I enjoyed the movie quite a lot, but it's a mess. Only a shadow of what could have been.
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Old 06-18-2008, 09:06 AM
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How lame are you guys arguing over whether or not you're allowed to like bad movies or dislike good ones?

THIS HIGH

Yes, I am saying you are "lame high". It's, uh, it's Australian slang.
Uh, I was just joking around.

Stupid internent.

And Brickroad: Nothing with objective or subjective. Clearly you like movies that I consider bad. Therefore this makes you a bad person. Q.E.D.
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Old 06-22-2008, 10:44 PM
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I saw the movie this morning, and I enjoyed it. Much fun was had.

But why was Stark talking to Ross about the Avengers? What did Ross have anything to do with it?
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Old 06-22-2008, 10:51 PM
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I think they said that depending on whether or not Hulk gets a sequel to explore Bruce Banner's journey to control his Hulk form, he may end up as the first threat that the Avengers will have to face. So I guess we're supposed to assume that he's either telling Ross to lay off the Hulk so they can help/recruit him, or telling him that they can handle him.
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Old 06-23-2008, 06:27 AM
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I assumed they were getting him on as some sort of "Hulk consultant."

Seems like an ideal job for some lucky gal or fella.
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Old 06-23-2008, 07:38 AM
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I didn't read this whole thread, but I thought I'd pop in to give my opinion of the movie.

The movie was definitely leagues better than the previous Hulk film, but it still didn't reach the levels of something like Spider-Man, Iron Man, X-Men, etc. Honestly it felt like nothing was accomplished the whole film, though- run, fight, run, fight, run, "cure," fight, run, end. I wonder how Stark figures he's going to recruit the Hulk through the general, it didn't exactly seem like they were on good terms.
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Old 06-23-2008, 09:06 AM
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But why was Stark talking to Ross about the Avengers? What did Ross have anything to do with it?
With Sam Jackson playing Fury, presumably these are more like the Ultimates - in other words, a governmental force.
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Old 06-25-2008, 04:18 PM
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This Hulk movie didn't even make as much money as the last Hulk movie. How pathetic.

The Incredible Hulk = Worldwide: $163,712,074
The Hulk = Worldwide: $245,360,480

As for our favorite misogynistic weapons dealer:

Iron Man
USA: $305,369,088
Worldwide: $556,414,891

Source

Incredible Hulk Creators: "No introspection, no pop psychology, no weird stuff -- just wall-to-wall action!"

FAILURE.
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Old 06-25-2008, 06:27 PM
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This Hulk movie didn't even make as much money as the last Hulk movie. How pathetic.

The Incredible Hulk = Worldwide: $163,712,074
The Hulk = Worldwide: $245,360,480

As for our favorite misogynistic weapons dealer:

Iron Man
USA: $305,369,088
Worldwide: $556,414,891

Source

Incredible Hulk Creators: "No introspection, no pop psychology, no weird stuff -- just wall-to-wall action!"

FAILURE.
I think there is a cause-effect thing going on there.
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Old 06-25-2008, 09:24 PM
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Because it's not as good a movie as the first one, and neither is nearly as good as Iron Man.

Why is this surprising to any of you?
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Old 06-25-2008, 09:31 PM
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It's ironic.
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Old 06-25-2008, 09:56 PM
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Because it's not as good a movie as the first one, and neither is nearly as good as Iron Man.

Why is this surprising to any of you?
I'm amused by the fact that the people were given exactly what they wanted upon watching the first movie: a mindless, action-driven flick about the Hulk. They got it, and they hated it.
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Old 06-26-2008, 12:09 AM
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Let me put an alternate hypothesis to you guys:

My parents heard about this movie and said, "Didn't they already do this?" I saw the posters and registered extreme disinterest in the character. I don't really care for the Hulk that much. My brother ended up making me go to see it, and it was okay but then I didn't pay for the ticket.

Perhaps this movie was completely unnecessary except to set up the Avengers.
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