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Old 05-15-2017, 08:09 AM
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That's a fine intro to Discworld! Pratchett had refined his craft and humor considerably since The Color of Magic and it also showcases his particular philosophies and humanism that shine brightly throughout his books. And as a religious person myself, I find that Pratchett, famously atheist, has an excellent grasp on spiritualism and the difference between organized religion and personal devotion (I still maintain Small Gods is a must-read for anyone remotely serious about their own faith.)

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Yeah, Small Gods is usually my recommendation for anyone looking to dip their toe into Discworld. The recommended reading order unfortunately gets a lot muddier from there. >_<
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Old 05-15-2017, 11:03 AM
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I read them in their published order, but I concur. Small Gods is an excellent intro. After that, maybe Guards, Guards! This is the tipping point for the Disc's march into modernity.
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I read them in their published order, but I concur. Small Gods is an excellent intro. After that, maybe Guards, Guards! This is the tipping point for the Disc's march into modernity.
Yeah, Guards Guards! is the intro to the "march of history" Ankh-Mopork-centric books: from there you go to Moving Pictures, which is a prototype of so much of the series after that point (EG, new technology is developed, exploited, causes chaos, then gets normalised to the point where it's remarked as being part of the furniture in later books).

Along those lines -

Moving Pictures - Movies
Men at Arms - Firearms
Soul Music - Rock n Roll
Feet of Clay - This one actually doesn't fit, but is essential to the overall story.
Jingo - Diplomacy and War
The Fifth Elephant - Communications / Telegraphs
The Truth - Printing Presses / Newspapers
Going Postal - Mail
Making Money - Currency
Raising Steam - Railroads

The later Vimes books - Night Watch, Thud, and Snuff - all don't really fit into the progression, but they're important for the overall progression of Ankh-Mopork in particular (although like most people I thought Thud was weak). Fifth Elephant winds up being a REALLY important book for years and years later, between the first real introduction to Dwarf politics and the Clacks.
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I tried reading Moving Pictures, but I couldn't finish it. The main character felt too much like a reskin of Rincewind.
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Most of the main characters in the technology line aren't very important - they're there to pace the reader through the references and react to what's going on around them.

Moist gets a bit more depth by necessity since he's the hero of three books, but even then Pratchett's writing had evolved to the point where he was writing more about the world than the hero.
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Nice, a discworld thread.

During my reread of all the discworld books in publishing order, I'm now in the middle of Wyrd Sisters. I enjoyed all the books up to now (even Sourcery, which I found to be a perfectly enjoyable read), but this one feels like a big improvement. I love the three witches, especially Nanny and Granny, and the bit where Granny critizices the play is beautiful. But the humour feels like it developed in general.

I can't wait to get to Lords and Ladies.
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If you like The Ramtops witches, make sure you check out the Tiffany Aching books, starting with The Wee Free Men.
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I've never liked the Witches. Just never clicked with me. I've read every Discworld book except that sub-series, which I just started skipping over after reading a couple and hating them. In fact, I almost didn't read any Pratchett at all, since my introduction to his writing was the Witches short story in Legends, which was awful. I'm glad that I decided to give his other stuff a try anyway.
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I've never liked the Witches. Just never clicked with me. I've read every Discworld book except that sub-series, which I just started skipping over after reading a couple and hating them. In fact, I almost didn't read any Pratchett at all, since my introduction to his writing was the Witches short story in Legends, which was awful. I'm glad that I decided to give his other stuff a try anyway.
I'm in the same boat. The Witches stuff is for a specific type of reader that is very much not me.
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I'm in the same boat. The Witches stuff is for a specific type of reader that is very much not me.
I haven't read Raising Steam yet, but I feel similarly about Moist. I'm hoping his third book changes my opinion.

I will always lament that we never got to see Granny Weatherwax meet Vimes. While the Disc would've probably collapsed under such concentrated awesome, those are my two favorite Pratchett protags and I would've liked seeing them butting heads. It's doubly sad because Vimes HAS gone to Witches country and Granny and Nanny HAVE gone to the city and they never crossed paths.
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The closest you get to that is the gag from Fifth Elephant with the depressed trousers of Uncle Vanya. That scene was pretty clearly written to invoke the witches, even if it didn't use them.
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I don't think I've actually read any of the Witches books, but loved the Tiffany Aching series
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I haven't read Raising Steam yet, but I feel similarly about Moist. I'm hoping his third book changes my opinion.

I will always lament that we never got to see Granny Weatherwax meet Vimes. While the Disc would've probably collapsed under such concentrated awesome, those are my two favorite Pratchett protags and I would've liked seeing them butting heads. It's doubly sad because Vimes HAS gone to Witches country and Granny and Nanny HAVE gone to the city and they never crossed paths.
Odds are they're both such powerful sources of Narrativium, they probably unconsciously are kept apart to keep their storylines on an even keel.
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If you like The Ramtops witches, make sure you check out the Tiffany Aching books, starting with The Wee Free Men.
Oh, it's a reread, I read most of the books already at some point. Still thanks for the info, Tiffanys books are probably my favourite sub-series, with Hat Full of Sky and Wintersmith being probably my favourite Discworld books. Having Nanny and Granny as side characters and teachers was a very clever move of Pratchett, showing them in a new light.
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Wyrd Sisters stayed pretty good for the whole time. I really enjoyed the reread after all this years.

Pyramids, on the other hand, was clearly early Discworld. Actually, I don't understand why people call Sourcery the most skippable book of the series when this one is right here. Not that it's bad - from the four parts, the first and third were as enjoyable of most of the staff in the books before it. Part four less so, and part two was probably the only time a discworld novel actively bored me.

Again, not that it's bad, but from all the Discworld books I've read this was the weakest. It's also responsible for me not reading Small Gods, back 15 years ago, when I first read some of the books, because I had no more interest in not-Egypt.

Guards, Guards on the other hand feels on the same level as Wyrd Sisters. Not quite there yet, but clearly a step up from what came before. Vetinary doesn't feel quite right, and Vimes just starts to stop being drunk all the time, so I can't even judge him now, but it all feels sort of right.
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So, I finished Small Gods and I enjoyed it enough to give Mort a read. I liked the ending of Mort more than Small Gods.
Those two and recommendations here got me to try Guards, Guards! and I've almost finished it. Now that's a book I've enjoyed a lot. I've found every character to be really funny in their own way. The only weird thing to me is Pratchett always cuts away from any action. When the dragon attacks the coronation ceremony, I think Vimes even comments on how spectacular it was. Not to say that's bad or good, just an interesting choice by the author.

I don't know that I'm really a huge Pratchett fan at this point. The books are clever and get a chuckle out of me. Its kinda fun to read a book that just doesn't take itself too seriously. I'll probably need to take a break from it for a while though.
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Even by the time of G,G!, Pratchett was still finding his style. He continues to improve, and so do his action scenes --all of the Watch books excel at action, in varying degrees, and the Rincewind/Wizards books have humorous sequences too.
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That is in character.
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Just finished Raising Steam, which is decent but much weaker than the other Moist Von Lipwig books. Whereas Going Postal and Making Money eventually show the central premise of the story escalate to the point of collapsing in on itself and Moist just barely pulling things off by the skin of his teeth, Raising Steam's gradual implications that Iron Girder is alive, tempermental, and willing to kill peter out in the last third while it turns into Thud II: Thud Harder without any particularly strong themes or interesting uses of any of its characters. There's also this whole subplot with Moist accidentally sparking sapience in a golem horse that never goes anywhere.
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Yeah, it's not the best. Alzheimer's is insidious.

Still, it's very much a Discworld book.
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The only decent joke in the book is only at the very end, and only in the broader scope of the Discworld ouvre.

Moist does amazing, nigh-miraculous saves of difficult situations, and is allowed to live another day despite deserving a more substantial reward. Vimes does amazing, nigh-miraculous saves of difficult situations, and is showered with wealth, titles, accolades, and fineries, which he despises.
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I'm currently rereading Interesting Times, and I realized

I'm doing the exact same thing with the Tiffany Aching books that many people do to avoid coping with someone's death--I'm putting them off so I always have "new" Pratchett books to read.

Which, I mean, I have plenty of books I've only read once and I'm looking forward to rereading, but, still It's been three years and I don't think I want to process it yet.
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I'm currently rereading Interesting Times, and I realized

I'm doing the exact same thing with the Tiffany Aching books that many people do to avoid coping with someone's death--I'm putting them off so I always have "new" Pratchett books to read.

Which, I mean, I have plenty of books I've only read once and I'm looking forward to rereading, but, still It's been three years and I don't think I want to process it yet.
S'okay. Deal with it in your own time.
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currently reading Feet of Clay and can I just say that I keep enjoying the Watch more and more. Vimes talking to his Dis-organizer was really funny.
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currently reading Feet of Clay and can I just say that I keep enjoying the Watch more and more. Vimes talking to his Dis-organizer was really funny.
The Dis-organizer started as a parody of very specific technology (Apple Newton, IIRC?), became very dated as the Newton crashed and the whole product category vanished, and is now somehow hilarious again because of the voice assistant trend.
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I woke up in the middle of the night unable to sleep last night, so I pulled up Colour of Magic on my Kobo e-reader and read...

it's weird, I remember hating this book, but now reading it... it's completely unfamiliar! And really good and funny!

Maybe I was remembering Light Fantastic? I guess trying to read the follow up book without the context of the first one would have caused a lot of confusion? I'll find out when I get there, I guess.
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