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Old 07-05-2018, 02:01 PM
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I don't want to go too far off into the weeds but I assume CAH was supposed to be as gross and ridiculous as you could make it. If you don't like gross and/or ridiculous, that's cool. Just don't assume that those of us who are okay with gross-out humor have some kind of necessary moral failing.
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Old 07-05-2018, 02:02 PM
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I don't think anyone is forcing a perspective about Faris onto anyone. We're just looking at and discussing the text and its context. (Or, just the text I guess, for Death of the Author types.)

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That TO reader op is legit terrible though.

Was responding to the deleted post this references. Is that what FL's post was about? I have no idea if it was about Faris, CAH, creepy Tactics Ogre reader mail, death of the author, etc.

I also have no idea if it was meant as a mod action or just a joke.
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Old 07-05-2018, 02:03 PM
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That's probably the intended usage of CAH, but there is a noted subset of people who use it to actively harass their fellow players. Which is what happened to me, the one time I tried it in college, so I am not a fan.
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Old 07-05-2018, 02:04 PM
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I would buy the "FFV's Cast Is Good Actually" argument more if the game didn't completely drop dialog once you get to Galuf's world. How much intra-party dialog is even in the game once you save everyone from ExDeath as Galuf? Gilgamesh mostly exists to talk at the party and doesn't really elicit a lot of reactions from the characters themsevles.
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Old 07-05-2018, 02:07 PM
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anyway this discussion will end up being resumed whenever persona 4 rear its ugly head on that list
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Old 07-05-2018, 02:09 PM
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I would buy the "FFV's Cast Is Good Actually" argument more if the game didn't completely drop dialog once you get to Galuf's world. How much intra-party dialog is even in the game once you save everyone from ExDeath as Galuf? Gilgamesh mostly exists to talk at the party and doesn't really elicit a lot of reactions from the characters themsevles.
Whether or not the cast is good is a separate issue from the quantity of dialogue in the game. You get a sense of who they are from their character designs, their actions, and the game's economical dialogue. You can judge the cast to be good or bad, but there's definitely enough information to make a judgement.
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Old 07-05-2018, 02:09 PM
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FF5's cast is window dressing for "Look at this Job system! LOOK AT IT."
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Old 07-05-2018, 02:12 PM
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Some people have played CAH with gross people which makes it a gross game. But that's the people's fault, not the game's.
No, CAH is very bad too.
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Old 07-05-2018, 02:15 PM
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Whether or not the cast is good is a separate issue from the quantity of dialogue in the game. You get a sense of who they are from their character designs, their actions, and the game's economical dialogue. You can judge the cast to be good or bad, but there's definitely enough information to make a judgement.
Ehhh I guess I disagree with this? For a game with such sparse dialog and thin characterization, I would be more charmed with this cast if it had more dialog for them to express themselves throughout the game, even if it was optional or whatever.
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Old 07-05-2018, 02:18 PM
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re:CAH:
it's very bad and no person could make a lot of it not gross
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Old 07-05-2018, 02:34 PM
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Was responding to the deleted post this references. Is that what FL's post was about? I have no idea if it was about Faris, CAH, creepy Tactics Ogre reader mail, death of the author, etc.

I also have no idea if it was meant as a mod action or just a joke.
Nor I, and if it was intended as the former I wish it was more clear. Shutting down discussion of personal interpretations of characters and themes isn't something I'm real comfortable with.
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Old 07-05-2018, 02:34 PM
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A joke, don't worry. We like to fool around too sometimes. :p
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Old 07-05-2018, 02:36 PM
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anyway this discussion will end up being resumed whenever persona 4 rear its ugly head on that list
The difference is that Persona 4 is offensive for multiple reasons, and not just for the game's portrayal of Naoto/Kanji. So it'll be even worse! *thumbs up, way way up*

Also off the top of my head I can think of 3 more games that are probably gonna make the list that we can have similar conversations about, so buckle the fuck up
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Old 07-05-2018, 02:36 PM
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Old 07-05-2018, 02:38 PM
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The difference is that Persona 4 is offensive for multiple reasons, and not just for the game's portrayal of Naoto/Kanji. So it'll be even worse! *thumbs up, way way up*

Also off the top of my head I can think of 3 more games that are probably gonna make the list that we can have similar conversations about, so buckle the fuck up

Speaking of which:

Naoto is a transman. Don't @ me.
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Old 07-05-2018, 02:40 PM
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The difference is that Persona 4 is offensive for multiple reasons, and not just for the game's portrayal of Naoto/Kanji. So it'll be even worse! *thumbs up, way way up*

Also off the top of my head I can think of 3 more games that are probably gonna make the list that we can have similar conversations about, so buckle the fuck up
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Old 07-05-2018, 02:46 PM
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Speaking of which:

Naoto is a transman. Don't @ me.
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that's the best read on Naoto


Tactics Ogre has mature storytelling, but any of the reasons I could cite are spoilers! Suffice it to say, it has some of the better war is hell and banality of evil depictions in video games.

Final Fantasy 5 is also good. I didn't read Faris as genderfluid, but it fits with Faris's mix of masculine and feminine job outfits. Especially if you assume the job outfits are magically manifested by the wearer's psyche focused through the relevant crystals. You know, like a Magical Girl outfit.

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Old 07-05-2018, 02:48 PM
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anyway this discussion will end up being resumed whenever a post ps1 era persona rear its ugly head on that list
Just saying.
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Old 07-05-2018, 02:53 PM
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Speaking of which:

Naoto is a transman. Don't @ me.
universe brain: Naoto is a trans woman
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Old 07-05-2018, 02:55 PM
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Speaking of which:

Naoto is a transman. Don't @ me.
We'll get into it further when it inevitably makes the list (it will), but to put it simply: P4 sucks ass because it sets up a gay dude and a trans male character, and then bends over backwards to walk back all of it and how they're straight/cis gender respectively and actually that's good and better. And that's just the tip of the Bad Takes™ iceberg!

What a fuckin' dogshit game. ...the menus are cool, and the music is good, but it's still dogshit. Like, 2009 Alex (who did not have the same views on gender/sexuality etc. as 2018 Alex) thought that game's politics sucked ass, and it's only gotten worse over time. That game has aged like a fine milk.
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Old 07-05-2018, 03:01 PM
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Just saying.
i cite persona 4 specifically because naoto is a more contemporary example of the trope faris is playing into, except that persona 4 (and its successive spin-offs) goes to further lengths to make sure the player knows that naoto is a girl (including, literally, making her a bikini model in that one light novel)
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Old 07-05-2018, 03:21 PM
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Yeah, that's what I assumed. Definitely not the best thing to highlight, but "Hey look it's kinda like that dark and edgy fantasy show you like" was probably the intent.
Wow, if there's one thing Final Fantasy V absolute is not in any real way, shape or form.

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To be fair. Tactics Ogre (and FFT) heavily draw inspiration from IRL history and all the insane political intrigue of warring medieval states of that time and place in the Balkans (I think?) and that kind of shit is exactly what Game of Thrones also leans on for inspiration in a moment of convergent evolution. So if the intent is to draw parallels to GoT, it's not unwarranted or inappropriate. Just kinda 👀
This, however, is spot on. Both TO and GoT are very much "Fantasy War of the Roses".
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Old 07-05-2018, 03:30 PM
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Wow, if there's one thing Final Fantasy V absolute is not in any real way, shape or form.
I was referring to Tactics Ogre, not Final Fantasy V.
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Old 07-05-2018, 03:35 PM
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If FFV isn’t mature and edgy why is the main character named Ass
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If FFV isn’t mature and edgy why is the main character named Ass
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I really hope a Zelda game makes the list
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