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Old 01-06-2018, 10:09 AM
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Well, I'm making a criticism informed by my few hours with it. I'm not silly enough to claim that a game so widely beloved is "objectively bad" or "garbage" or whatever, I just wish I could see in what so many people can, passionately.
You said that a backlash was going to come. i.e. those who like it now will come to regret it later. That's a bit silly.

I'm not judging you. When Metal Gear Solid 4 came out and it was all anyone talked about for weeks, I almost lost my mind.
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Old 01-06-2018, 10:22 AM
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Breath of the Wild I got bored of within about three hours. There's gonna come a time when the backlash hits and it's gonna be hard to watch.
This has been going on since the day it came out (and probably before it came out, honestly). It's been fine!

Some people don't like BotW and that's okay.
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Old 01-06-2018, 10:24 AM
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You said that a backlash was going to come. i.e. those who like it now will come to regret it later. That's a bit silly.

Nah. I didn't mean that, I meant like we're going to start getting the forum threads and articles about how the game is Actually Bad. Like with every beloved title really.
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Old 01-06-2018, 10:36 AM
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Nah. I didn't mean that, I meant like we're going to start getting the forum threads and articles about how the game is Actually Bad.
Your prediction is too late.

This already happened, literally the month it came out.

These were just the easiest two to find in a few seconds. There's a lot more out there.
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Old 01-06-2018, 10:36 AM
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Old 01-06-2018, 10:40 AM
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The longer I play Skyrim, the more I realize how bad it is. This is the opposite of BotW, where I only love it more the more I play it.
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Old 01-06-2018, 11:27 AM
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Skyrim is pretty bad, but there's definitely more depth to its magic, alchemy, NPC interaction, and non-linear decision making. Plus the "dungeons" have cool scripted sequences in them. Plus who can hate its snow world? So I can see its appeal. It's still a lifeless open world game with garbage quest design and a million copy paste little areas. And, my god, why do you move so goddamn slow? Why does Bethesda think it's a good idea to make your character move like a snail in all their ugly games?

BotW has way more in common with Morrowind. It has Morrowind's "mini-dungeons". It has Morrowind's vertical traversal, only now replaced by climbing instead of levitation magic. It shares the "go to the spot the NPC vaguely points you at" thing going for it, no quest markers necessary, which is legitimately fascinating and the game wouldn't be half of what it is without this. BotW feels like it was made with a 2004 game document at times. It's a pretty sloppy game however. It is still way, way too bloated and its traversal systems have to override its many issues. It starts to fall apart once you get more than one of your blatantly over powered guardian abilities. But for about 25 hours or so, it gave me more pleasure than most open world game's ever will.

For a more controversial opinion: BotW is still way better than any of these 3D Zelda games, which just put me to sleep.
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Old 01-06-2018, 11:47 AM
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What's that thing Loki keeps saying? All blames are food or something like that?
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Old 01-06-2018, 12:11 PM
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I'm certainly not denying that there's open world games that do particular things better than Skyrim, but it's a huge game and I enjoy losing myself in it. Like, I'm still finding cool new things and places in regions I've barely tapped (basically north/northwestern Skyrim), or ones I know my way around (Whiterun, Windhelm). Hell, I still haven't been to Blackreach yet.

Also if you like trolling enemies (like me) you've got plenty of options at your disposal. Shoot arrows at walls, throw your voice with a shout, cast Calm on them and stab them in the back when they politely fuck off, scare them away with a Fear spell, use Fury to turn hostiles against each other, slip poison in their pockets, lure them over to a mine rune you've placed...
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Old 01-06-2018, 02:26 PM
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Of the two huge Switch games of 2017, I think Super Mario Odyssey is going to end up holding up way better.
Agreed. Super Mario Odyssey is a charming, delightful game. Breath of the Wild is an interesting albeit disappointing experiment.
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Old 01-06-2018, 05:21 PM
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[5:15 PM] Rwars: god, looking back on the great pateau, it is fucking small
[5:15 PM] Kalir: yeh
[5:16 PM] Kalir: i liked that about it though
[5:16 PM] Kalir: because you play that one area and are like "okay this is pretty expansive"
[5:16 PM] Kalir: and then they say "okay, go anywhere from here"
[5:16 PM] Kalir: straight up A. Square being raised out of Flatland
[5:16 PM] Rwars: and honestly, I love how big it feels, until you see literally everything else
[5:17 PM] Kalir: "that lake could eat the plateau whole and still have room for desert"
[5:17 PM] Kalir: IM GOING TO PRETEND I MEANT THAT PUN BY THE WAY
On topic: Helgen was neat in its own way, because here you go rolling into some backwater town to be executed and suddenly ELDER DRAGON UP IN HERE. The space for learning the game before dumping you out in Wilderness Conveniently Near Riverwood was smaller than the Plateau, sure, but it also lets you come back to it after the fact and find the smoking ruins of town, complete with the juniper berry mead that someone living there made. The Great Plateau was a perfectly cromulent starter area, but it didn't have that same impact after you left it. (I mean yeah, the Temple of Time is there, but who caaaaaaares.)
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Old 01-06-2018, 06:32 PM
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Helgen was neat in its own way, because here you go rolling into some backwater town to be executed and suddenly ELDER DRAGON UP IN HERE. The space for learning the game before dumping you out in Wilderness Conveniently Near Riverwood was smaller than the Plateau, sure, but it also lets you come back to it after the fact and find the smoking ruins of town, complete with the juniper berry mead that someone living there made.
Speaking of Helgen, if you go back to its ruins after about a week or two of in-game time, you'll find out that it's become yet another bandit lair.

Talking more about the beginning of Skyrim, while it's up to the player where they go I feel that Embershard Mine is a pretty good post-Helgen starter dungeon. It's located right outside of Riverwood, it's fairly short, it doesn't have any surprises that are too nasty, and you get some useful stuff (pickaxe, iron ore, a skill book, a free Clairvoyance spell, potentially a shitload of torches) out of going there.

It's also a really good place to learn the ins and outs of sneaking, maybe test out that Fury spell you bought in Riverwood/started with if you rolled an Altmer.
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Old 01-06-2018, 06:41 PM
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The worst part of Breath of the Wild is when it's raining and you can't climb. In Skyrim you can't climb at all.
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Old 01-06-2018, 07:13 PM
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In Skyrim you can't climb at all.
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Old 01-06-2018, 09:53 PM
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The Great Plateau was a perfectly cromulent starter area, but it didn't have that same impact after you left it. (I mean yeah, the Temple of Time is there, but who caaaaaaares.)
The BotW DLC does give you a reason to come back to the Plateau and experience it with fresh eyes (and a renewed sense of trepidation) thanks to the One-Hit Obliterator, and I thought that was one of its highlights.
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