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Old 07-10-2018, 08:47 PM
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If memory serves, when they were translating it, the mangaka had to step in and explicitly say all the gempeople are nonbinary/genderless/have no gender. It's a nice touch.

There's some who say it "loses characterization" because part of the characterization comes from "This one uses this masculine pronoun, while this one uses this feminine pronoun in Japanese" but I mean, not much is missed.
Basically, the original text creates nonbinary characters through a playful excess of gender, while the English translation creates nonbinary characters by largely eliminating gender.

I think the original text is much more interesting, but it would admittedly be a very hard effect to preserve in English (especially for manga/anime translators who are probably rushed and underpaid, translating a serialized work with a lot of characters where they can't anticipate future developments to ensure consistency).
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Old 07-10-2018, 11:07 PM
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JoJo Diamond is Unbreakable:

I’ve just learned that JoJo’s hair is a causal loop and I can’t take this.
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Old 07-11-2018, 07:48 AM
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JoJo Diamond is Unbreakable:

I’ve just learned that JoJo’s hair is a causal loop and I can’t take this.
Better yet, this weird plot thing never matters. This is why I love JoJo.
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:54 AM
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I watched Your Name and while for the most part I enjoyed it (there’s something appealing to me about anime landscapes), when the male lead wakes up in the female lead’s body for the first time and starts groping her I thought “this is a pretty bad way to start a movie”, and then it kept happening. The movie would be a lot better without the sexual assault.
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:26 AM
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Interpreted charitably, it's intended as a riff on "if I changed genders, I'd never leave the house," but as Yimothy says, it has a grody cast to it, and once is way more than enough, and it happens several times.
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:09 AM
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One of my biggest disconnects with that movie is that, despite weeks (months?) of swapping back and forth and presumably learning boundaries, respect, and sensitivity around each other's bodies, the very first thing the male protag does when he reconnects with her after losing her (and after he found out she was killed by the meteor) is grope her.

But oh, hahahaha, ruining a moment of emotional relief for the male lead and the audience is OK because anime comedy!
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Old 07-12-2018, 04:02 PM
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Okay, serious question: What good 80s/90s sci-fi anime would you recommend? Like, I know about stuff like Cowboy Bebob and Ghost in the Shell and what have you, but I'd love to broaden my horizons. Like really, sci-fi anime was one of the big reasons I originally fell in love with anime.

Also I am open to suggestions from before or after the 80s/90s window if you have any good ones.
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Old 07-12-2018, 04:27 PM
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Wings of Honneamise.

Patlabor TV and Patlabor movies.

If you expand the search into the 00s, Planetes and Last Exile.
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Old 07-12-2018, 04:49 PM
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Dirty Pair, Macross Plus, Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind (it's sci-fi more in the sense that Dune is sci-fi), Neon Genesis Evangelion (love it or hate it, you cannot escape it). I also seem to remember Dominion: Tank Police being somewhat watchable back when it was on Saturday Anime.

Also, I haven't seen Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket or Gunbuster, but I've always heard those are pretty great. There's also Outlaw Star and Trigun, though I've only seen scattered episodes of each. The late 90's certainly had a thing about anime space cowboys.
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Old 07-12-2018, 05:09 PM
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Speaking of Trigun, the back of the DVD set I have lists the genre as;

Action (accurate)
Space (Misleading, but technically correct)
Super Powers (also accurate)
Sci-Fi (redundant, but yes)
Fan Service (that is not a genre. That is, at best, an acknowledgement that a gentleman takes a shirt off)
Bishoujo (I AM PERHAPS MIS-REMEMBERING THE SHOW?)
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Old 07-12-2018, 05:29 PM
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Okay, serious question: What good 80s/90s sci-fi anime would you recommend? Like, I know about stuff like Cowboy Bebob and Ghost in the Shell and what have you, but I'd love to broaden my horizons. Like really, sci-fi anime was one of the big reasons I originally fell in love with anime.

Also I am open to suggestions from before or after the 80s/90s window if you have any good ones.
Before? Well, if you want to go old school (though this is technically 1980 itself, if I remember correctly) Galaxy Express 999. For the longest time, I vaguely remembered it as an anime movie that appeared on TV that I wasn't interested in. For some reason, a few years ago, I downed the first nine episodes of the TV series and was very impressed. I don't know if it holds up for its entire 100-something episode run, but those first few episodes are mostly gold.

More recently... I do want to recommend Megalobox with the caveat that it's really more of a sports series with sci-fi trappings. But it's really, really good and I feel even some of the not-specifically sci-fi stuff fits in comfortably with the sci-fi trappings (and while it is loosely based of the classic anime Ashita no Joe, it also feels like it borrows a little bit from Richard Matheson's short story Steel, which was also made into a good Twilight Zone episode and loosely intothe not so good but kind of enjoyable sports movie Real Steel).

What else. Oh, it's a bit wonky, but me and JBear watched Kado: The Right Answer, which is... I think good all throughout but it... OK, the vaguest of spoilers but still, this could benefit or hinder enjoyment going in completely cold: There's a big tonal shift in about the last third of the series. I enjoyed it throughout and am sort of impressed it went there, but I could see someone turning on it for that.

Oh, and it's a little off-beat, but I remember Kaiba being really good in a sci-fi fairy tale sort of way. I need to revisit that one.
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Old 07-12-2018, 05:31 PM
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Bishoujo (I AM PERHAPS MIS-REMEMBERING THE SHOW?)
At first, I thought that said "bishounen" and I was like "I guess, maybe if you squint." But then I saw what you actually wrote and I don't know, man.
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:07 PM
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I mean, Meryl and Milly are awesome, but yeah, I dunno.
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:24 PM
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Meanwhile, other old SF to check out:
Bubblegum Crisis, Battle Angel Alita, Iria: Zeiram the Animation, Captain Tylor, Megazone 23, They Were 11, Toards the Terra, Kacho Ouji, Legend of Galactic Heroes, and of course all the Macross.

More recent: Mouretsu Space Pirates, Suisei no Gargantia
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:33 PM
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Oh man, definitely The Irresponsible Captain Tylor. I laughed so hard at that show back when. I'm going to guess that's a bit aged, but still pretty solid.
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:18 PM
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Seconding the rec for Galaxy Express 999. I'll also add in Captain Harlock. They're by the same author and they're both quintessentially episodic sci-fi space westerns.
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:35 PM
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Okay, serious question: What good 80s/90s sci-fi anime would you recommend? Like, I know about stuff like Cowboy Bebob and Ghost in the Shell and what have you, but I'd love to broaden my horizons. Like really, sci-fi anime was one of the big reasons I originally fell in love with anime.

Also I am open to suggestions from before or after the 80s/90s window if you have any good ones.
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:48 PM
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Thanks for the recommendations! I'll definitely keep these in mind. Just wish the digital outlets I have available were better about featuring both older anime and alternate voice tracks,* but I'm not averse to hunting down DVD sets as long as the price is reasonable.

* I'll watch dubs when they're good (Cowboy Bebop comes to mind), but even if I don't use them I still like having the original Japanese voices as an option. I'm very disappointed that including language options is still a thing that many digital video services struggle with.
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Old 07-13-2018, 07:30 AM
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If you expand the search into the 00s, Planetes
Seconding this. One of the few sci-fi anime that I actually enjoyed, and I enjoyed it quite a bit. Rather unique in both premise and tone.
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Old 07-13-2018, 08:10 AM
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Third-ing Planetes. Best show about Space Janitors.

And having just watched Gunbuster, I can toss a recommendation in for that too, even if space time gives me a headache.
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Old 07-13-2018, 11:38 AM
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Cyber City Oedo fucks, and should be seen by everyone interested in that era of cartoons. A cyborg boxer punches the Terminator to death, a bishonen fights both laser tigers & space vampire, and the dub captures the gleeful idiocy of the whole thing perfectly.
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Old 07-13-2018, 12:30 PM
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Old 07-13-2018, 12:32 PM
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Old 07-14-2018, 07:55 PM
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someone pointed out on twitter that Aoyama is constantly staring directly into the camera in pretty much every scene where he doesn't have to interact with anyone



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Old 07-17-2018, 05:23 PM
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So I was browsing my recommends on Hulu and it brought up an anime called Shimoneta: A Boring World Where The Concept of Dirty Jokes Doesn't Exist. Does anyone know anything about this one or if it's any good? The title certainly drew my attention.
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Old 07-17-2018, 09:22 PM
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I always thought that one was about as panty as panty anime gets. I mean IIRC the girl wears a pair of panties on her head as part of her "disguise" or something.
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Old 07-17-2018, 10:54 PM
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It depends on how much you like fanservice and dirty jokes. Because there is a lot of it.
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Old 07-18-2018, 12:04 AM
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Shimoneta is really dumb, and really anime in all of the bad connotations of that word. If you're down with really dumb, and bad excuses for anime-titties and crass humor, go for it. There's worse ways to spend your time. But there's better things out there that cover those impulses versus this mediocre show. Mostly this show just exists for its meme potential, (link mildly nsfw) it's otherwise boring and disposable. I couldn't even make it through the regular 3 episode try back when it first was airing.

Here's the MAL synopsis of Shimoneta:

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With the introduction of strict new morality laws, Japan has become a nation cleansed of all that is obscene and impure. By monitoring citizens using special devices worn around their necks, authorities have taken extreme measures to ensure that society remains chaste.

In this world of sexual suppression, Tanukichi Okuma—son of an infamous terrorist who opposed the chastity laws—has just entered high school, offering his help to the student council in order to get close to president Anna Nishikinomiya, his childhood friend and crush. Little does he know that the vice president Ayame Kajou has a secret identity: Blue Snow, a masked criminal dedicated to spreading lewd material amongst the sheltered public—and Tanukichi has caught the girl's interest due to his father's notoriety.

Soon, Tanukichi is dragged into joining her organization called SOX, where he is forced to spread obscene propaganda, helping to launch an assault against the government's oppressive rule. With their school set as the first point of attack, Tanukichi will have to do the unthinkable when he realizes that their primary target is the person he admires most.
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Old 07-18-2018, 07:35 AM
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I won't vouch for it being a quality show but it does feature the last major role for Miyu Matsuki before she passed away even if the character she plays in it, Anna, is problematic. Her voice was so distinct and animated, though my favorite of her roles was as the teacher in Hidamari Sketch.
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Old 07-18-2018, 08:11 AM
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Don't care one bit for the show or it's premise, but isn't it "funny" how, in the description above, the class vice prez is clearly the protagonist, the driver of the plot, the most important character, the more interesting one and with goals and objectives... yet the show chooses a bland and nondescript male Ordinary High School Student as its focus character?
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