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Old 09-28-2017, 07:55 PM
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X-Men Evolution: It's interesting to see an animated adaptation of the X-Men franchise where Jean Grey doesn't faint every time she uses her powers. In fact, she's frequently the most active and competent member of the team - I'm pretty sure she uses her telekinesis to throw more people around than Wolverine does with his hands.

Between Jean, Scarlet Witch and Rogue, it dips in the "she's extremely powerful, maybe one of the most powerful mutants ever, but her powers break her brain and make her all crazy" well more times than good taste should allow. But that's comics.

Edit: And X23, I guess? Like, Forge got trapped alone in his pocket dimension for thirty years and yet his brain never broke.
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Old 10-18-2017, 11:48 AM
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F Is For Family is the best animated show no one talks about. It's pretty damn hard to watch sometimes, since it deals with some heavy and uncomfortable themes like poverty, toxic masculinity, institutionalized sexism and other things cartoon comedies don't touch.
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Old 10-18-2017, 12:02 PM
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I’ve been watching Big Mouth on Netflix and that is a pretty hilarious take on puberty and middle school. Nick Kroll does a bunch of voices along with John Mulaney, Jessie Klein, Jason Mantzoukas and various other funny people. If you were itching for more Kroll show after that ended, this hits the spot.

I’m still chuckling at a Seinfeld parody they do in episode 8.
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Old 10-25-2017, 03:37 PM
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Okay, I'm willing to check this out.
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Old 10-31-2017, 08:33 PM
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"I can't believe I'm losing to a bird!"

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Old 11-14-2017, 11:20 AM
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Finally decided to get off my duff (fall back on to my duff?) and started watching Robotech on Canadian Netflix. And I’m honestly surprised at the quality here. Its rare to find a cartoon from the 80s that actually holds up reasonably well to modern scrutiny. Though I suspect that this is largely because I’m still in the Macross arc which I assume had minimal exposure to Carl Maceks imagination, and OG Macross is really Good. Also, oddly, there’s little-if-any ADR dialogue to indicate people survived when they get ‘sploded. I don’t know how big the population of Macross Island was in episode 1, but it it’s probably in the single-digits by episode 3.

The only things that really hold it back are a narrator who is at once over eager to explain every single shot, and also completely disinterested in what he has to say, and Minmei, who is just cartoonishly awful as a secondary protagonist.

Also; not totally certain, but I think Rick is voiced by Snot from American Dad. Which delights me more than I should care to admit.
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Old 11-14-2017, 11:56 AM
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Also; not totally certain, but I think Rick is voiced by Snot from American Dad. Which delights me more than I should care to admit.
Sorry, no. Snot was played by Curtis Armstrong, who played Booger in the Revenge of the Nerds movies and was also in good things, too.
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Old 11-14-2017, 11:57 AM
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Well, my Robotech headcanon just shines all the more brightly, then.
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Old 11-14-2017, 12:27 PM
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"I can't believe I'm losing to a bird!"

Damn good line from the 1939 Hunchback in this! As a guard turns some Romani away at the town gate for being foreigners the head of the Romani family replies with a wry chuckle and a shrug, “Foreigners. You come yesterday, we come today.”

I also enjoyed the random man weirdly shoving his garbage into a bush when Lindsay’s on location.
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Old 11-14-2017, 03:05 PM
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I also enjoyed the random man weirdly shoving his garbage into a bush when Lindsay’s on location.
I know, right? I hope he enjoyed getting seen by thousands of fans of a minor internet celebrity.
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Old 11-14-2017, 03:20 PM
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I thought the joke was that it was a coke drop.
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Old 11-14-2017, 05:04 PM
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Yeah, that’s the joke she made. I liked that he was weirdly doing that more than her joke though!
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Old 11-16-2017, 11:10 AM
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Also; new seasons of both American Dad and Family Guy have shown up on Canadian Netflix. The former remains transcendent, and as for the latter... well... they’ve moved from stealing plots and/or jokes from The Simpsons and into stealing plots from King of the Hill and Boy Meets World.

And rather more transparently, at that.
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Old 11-16-2017, 01:09 PM
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Family Guy doesn't have plots
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Old 11-16-2017, 01:21 PM
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The framing device for cutaway gags, then.
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Old 11-18-2017, 05:21 PM
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The reveal on Clarence's Thanksgiving episode that the show is set in 1998 hit me with some powerful emotions that I don't quite understand. I think Clarence is my Wonder Years.
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Old 11-26-2017, 09:44 AM
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Video essay, in the style of Lindsay Ellis, on the charms of Treasure Planet and how Disney released it to die:



I just watched the movie again the other night, and aside from that fucking robot, I really liked it. And I'm going to go ahead and say that the movie's John Silver is one of the best characters in the Disney canon.
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Old 11-26-2017, 02:29 PM
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I always thought it was interesting that Star Trek Nemesis was thrown into the same Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets/The Two Towers holiday season meat grinder as Treasure Planet. The only difference being that Nemesis was an actively bad film.
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Old 11-26-2017, 07:06 PM
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I quite liked what I saw of it years back. I entirely missed its TV run so all I've seen of it were what was available on DVDs I picked up at thrift stores. Is it available streaming anywhere?
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Old 11-26-2017, 08:58 PM
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I always thought it was interesting that Star Trek Nemesis was thrown into the same Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets/The Two Towers holiday season meat grinder as Treasure Planet. The only difference being that Nemesis was an actively bad film.
I was thinking back to more than decade ago, when my family went out to the movies on Black Friday. They were going to see Chamber of Secrets - and while it's true that I'd already seen that - I distinctly recall calving off and instead getting a ticket to Treasure Planet almost entirely on account of this shot on the poster:



Now I've never been a member of the Fandom, and as far as I can tell I'm a [bullshit Bowie gender-play] Cis, but this shit cut to my core. My girl Amelia looking FIERCE here. I recall being disappointed when this turned out not to be her default 'do. But I am glad that whatever weird enculturation that produced in me a deep appreciation of women naval officers* and stellar haircuts ultimately drew me to the movie.

*that's deffo Macross, though
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Old 11-26-2017, 09:46 PM
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I’ve always been curious to check out Treasure Planet and Atlantis. They sure look neat.
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Old 11-27-2017, 09:57 AM
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Video essay, in the style of Lindsay Ellis, on the charms of Treasure Planet and how Disney released it to die:
That's a fun and insightful take (that really needed to be half as long as it was). That said, I think he undersells the impact of Atlantis' relative failure on the decision to starve TP's marketing budget. Animators' passion projects also tend towards hubristic collapse (cf The Thief and the Cobbler, which would still be in production in Richard Williams' kitchen if he hadn't violated its production bond.) Something tells me their internal analysts compared the dollar-per-frame cost of Treasure Planet to comparable efforts from Pixar and Dreamworks and realized that a franchise-spawning hit would murder their return on capital in its sleep.

e: Not that TP would have necessarily killed at the box office even with a better marketing strategy. If they used Summer 2002 for release, suddenly they have the choice between competing with Star Wars or Spider-Man, or cannibalizing Lilo & Stitch.
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Old 11-27-2017, 03:45 PM
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Animators' passion projects also tend towards hubristic collapse (cf The Thief and the Cobbler, which would still be in production in Richard Williams' kitchen if he hadn't violated its production bond.) .
Not true, is it? The film was almost complete when he got kicked off the project(I believe it was fifteen minutes short of what was intended), it had taken so many years to make because he wasn't able to secure funding until after Roger Rabbit made him a big deal. And he can hardly be blamed for what happened to it after that, which was corporate meddling of the most vindictive kind.
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Old 11-27-2017, 03:58 PM
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Is there a good history of what happened with Thief and the Cobbler? Because Williams seems like a pro, and considering the sheer volume of commercial work his studio did, you'd think he generally handed his stuff in on time. I know hyper-animating Blipverts and making a full-length feature film aren't necessarily transferable skills, but I'm not sure the dude was precisely a frustrating auteur.
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Old 11-27-2017, 08:35 PM
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Not true, is it? The film was almost complete when he got kicked off the project(I believe it was fifteen minutes short of what was intended), it had taken so many years to make because he wasn't able to secure funding until after Roger Rabbit made him a big deal. And he can hardly be blamed for what happened to it after that, which was corporate meddling of the most vindictive kind.
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Is there a good history of what happened with Thief and the Cobbler? Because Williams seems like a pro, and considering the sheer volume of commercial work his studio did, you'd think he generally handed his stuff in on time. I know hyper-animating Blipverts and making a full-length feature film aren't necessarily transferable skills, but I'm not sure the dude was precisely a frustrating auteur.
All I know is what I've read in various articles and on wikipedia, but Williams seems to have had a talent for chewing up employees, deadlines, and money like he had an endless supply of them. If that isn't "frustrating auteur" behavior I don't know what is.
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Old 11-29-2017, 10:53 PM
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Finally decided to get off my duff (fall back on to my duff?) and started watching Robotech on Canadian Netflix. And I’m honestly surprised at the quality here. Its rare to find a cartoon from the 80s that actually holds up reasonably well to modern scrutiny. Though I suspect that this is largely because I’m still in the Macross arc which I assume had minimal exposure to Carl Maceks imagination, and OG Macross is really Good. Also, oddly, there’s little-if-any ADR dialogue to indicate people survived when they get ‘sploded. I don’t know how big the population of Macross Island was in episode 1, but it it’s probably in the single-digits by episode 3.
What really jumps out at me about Macross is that it manages to be a show were basically EVERYONE is kinda horrifyingly incompetent or at least criminally undereducated for the jobs they have, and yet it's neither a straight up comedy nor a shaggy dog tragedy. Just... this mostly upbeat action show where horrible things are constantly happening through people basically just winging it, but they're trying, damnit.
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Old 11-30-2017, 05:42 AM
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What’s really surprising is how quickly the residents of Macross Island adapt to things; the Island gets obliterated and thrown out beyond Pluto in the third episode and the survivors immediately rebuild an exact copy of their citysomehow in the SDFs cargo bay. Then that city gets destroyed when the SDF transforms, and they have it rebuilt again by the following episode, with nobody being overly concerned about the gigantic on-screen civilian death-toll they just experienced.

I understand that the SDF is a gigantic ship, even by the standards of the giant aliens who built it, but the fact that they had enough materials on board to build not one but two cities inside it kind of strains credibility.
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Old 11-30-2017, 08:23 AM
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I understand that the SDF is a gigantic ship, even by the standards of the giant aliens who built it, but the fact that they had enough surviving citizens on board to build not one but two cities inside it kind of strains credibility.
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Old 11-30-2017, 08:27 AM
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I believe New Macross is mostly built from the ruins of Old Macross they pulled into the ship.
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