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Old 09-01-2017, 10:09 AM
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Jon Stewart embodied the futile wish that humor and intellect would stop the freight train of violence, graft, and genocide that smashed into our society over the 2000s. These shows did nothing, were nothing, and their greatest legacy is the spectacle of thousands on the Washington Mall holding jokey "protest" signs two days before the Republicans seize Congress.

And now Trevor Noah is calling anti-fascists "vegan ISIS". Jesus Christ, go find a real job.
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Old 09-01-2017, 10:28 AM
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Jon Stewart embodied the futile wish that humor and intellect would stop the freight train of violence, graft, and genocide that smashed into our society over the 2000s. These shows did nothing, were nothing, and their greatest legacy is the spectacle of thousands on the Washington Mall holding jokey "protest" signs two days before the Republicans seize Congress.

And now Trevor Noah is calling anti-fascists "vegan ISIS". Jesus Christ, go find a real job.
that sounds a bit neoliberal-y to me

but anyway, what noah was actually talking about was how actions sway public perception, and the actions of some folks who call themselves antifa look bad to the general public, and that's a fair, if depressing, observation of how things go in america.
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Old 09-01-2017, 10:38 AM
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that sounds a bit neoliberal-y to me
It's still a few weeks until I can tell someone to report for re-education w/o feeling like I've killed the bit.
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Old 09-01-2017, 11:01 AM
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i mean, personally i agree, i think it's kind of bad people get paid to just, like, give their political opinions (especially if they're like, ivy league educated folks trying to brand themselves as representatives of the working class)
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Old 09-01-2017, 01:17 PM
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i mean, personally i agree, i think it's kind of bad people get paid to just, like, give their political opinions (especially if they're like, ivy league educated folks trying to brand themselves as representatives of the working class)
Even more than the money it's the social capital that disgusts me. No one should care what David Brooks has to say under any circumstances, much less Presidents. But here we are.
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Old 09-01-2017, 04:18 PM
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And now Trevor Noah is calling anti-fascists "vegan ISIS". Jesus Christ, go find a real job.
This part I'm totally with you on, but then I also officially turned my back on the show quite a while back, this though, I feel is unfair-

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Jon Stewart embodied the futile wish that humor and intellect would stop the freight train of violence, graft, and genocide that smashed into our society over the 2000s. These shows did nothing, were nothing, and their greatest legacy is the spectacle of thousands on the Washington Mall holding jokey "protest" signs two days before the Republicans seize Congress.
The core principle of the show at its peak (and Jon Stewart's off-show activism in general), more than anything else, was to viciously, brutally, hold to account cable news coverage in general over their lack of perspective, memory, and general competence. And it was, quite tangibly and measurably, very good at that. In that the people on those networks would regularly, publicly, respond to that criticism by directly addressing it on air, or otherwise going on the defensive (and in a particularly notable case, cancelling that terrible Crossfire show). And I'd say the resulting climate of fear-of-being-skewered lead to at least some effort towards not being comically incompetent.

If the show had still existed in that form in the run up to the election, I don't know that things would have turned out differently, but I'd certainly imagine media coverage of Trump would maintain a memory of his myriad disqualifying atrocities for longer than a goldfish, and that would have helped push the needle a bit in the right direction.

Meanwhile Noah's run of the show, last I checked, takes the approach of "watch cable news every day, make whatever cheap jokes come to mind," in a total ethical vacuum (and frequently in the form of terrible attempts at metaphors - "Antifa are vegan ISIS! Trans people are iPhones!" etc.).
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WaPo has a round up of memorable moments from late night.

The 10 late-night TV moments that defined the summer of 2017

Personally I think Trevor's doing alright. I also think he's really beefed up the interview portion of the show.
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