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Old 12-28-2012, 08:05 PM
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Default Not worth its own spine - the NWIOT for Books/Comics/Words you follow with your eyes

How did we not have one of these already?

ALT: How did I miss the old one?

Anyway, question:

How do you feel like a book club for TT?

I read a lot of books and sometimes I really want to have somewhat meaty discussions about them. The "Watcha Reading" thread moves too fast for that or it doesn't move at all.

Please note this Book Club will not be a team effort. I will name some books each month that are in my queue and people can say they want to read that or not, I'll pick the one most people respond to or seem to care about, unless I pick something completely different. Why is it this way? Remember when you had your senior group project in High School and in order to guarentee you got a decent grade you ended up doing the whole thing yourself? That's why. They can drop in and out of the Club, see?

Is this an idea worth pursueing or am I crazy(ier)?
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Old 12-28-2012, 08:17 PM
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Could be interesting. I hope it's books that you can find at your local library.
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Could be interesting. I hope it's books that you can find at your local library.
You can learn more about books at your local library at your local library!
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There was once a time when I didn't know just why so many people were harsh on The Walking Dead. "Isn't it kind of the point, that the struggles and the relationships of the survivors get more attention than the zombie menace, in an interesting role-reversal from the usual Zombie Genre? Aren't we eventually meant to see that in the end, Man was truly the greatest monster?"

(Well, I didn't say it like that, but you get the point.)

Then I read it, and now I understand. TWD almost approaches the themes I thought it would, but then it decides that killing off large portions of the cast is drama enough, and then the status quo resets until it's time to build tension again. Either have your Col. Kurtz moment or don't, Rick!

And the dialogue is shameful, even by comic book standards. Maybe the zombies are just upset at how the living won't. Stop. Rambling. On.
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I think it might be a good idea. Might be a little slow and thin at first, but I'm sure that once you get the ball rolling we could have some pretty interesting discussions in time.
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Old 12-30-2012, 06:54 AM
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I think part of the problem with book clubbing is that the big readers of this forum read way too fast and are pretty well-read in the obvious classics and genre stuff. Personally, when I've tried to read along in the past, I'd finish the reading selection of the next few weeks in a single sitting and then read several other books between the club intervals, making the topic book less fresh in my memory.

So you'd want something long, like a series, that people read along book-by-book with (which has the obvious spoilers-from-the-future issue) or read something very long and dense, like Romance of Three Kingdoms / the Mahabharata / the Tain. Or just say up front "This is the book club thread of RE-reading all the Bujold/Pratchett/etc novels" and spoilers beware.

tl;dr "Let's read the Complete Sherlock Holmes/Brontë sisters/Raymond Chandler/Dorothy Sayers/Jane Austen". Especially the stuff free on gutenberg. Maybe even "Let's read Project Gutenberg" with different books every few weeks. Especially stuff where we can discuss obscure things unfamiliar to us (mythology/history/Victorian jargon) instead of just plot speculation (which can be spoiled).

Or "Let's Read James Bond": Casino Royale is the Kindle Daily Deal today. Actually, they're all on sale for $1.99 apiece today!

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"Isn't it kind of the point, that the struggles and the relationships of the survivors get more attention than the zombie menace, in an interesting role-reversal from the usual Zombie Genre? Aren't we eventually meant to see that in the end, Man was truly the greatest monster?"
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If anything, wouldn't having zombies be the sole threat be the role-reversal?
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Well, it's true that zombies don't actually seem to do much in zombie movies (until the comic relief characters fuck up the most simple of plans), but it's not as if there's really much else going on aside from zombie-related drama. Except for "Shaun of the Dead."
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Is this an idea worth pursueing or am I crazy(ier)?
We've taken a couple of runs at this in the past. I've enjoyed doing it, but participation has always been pretty thin. I think offering up a slate of choices rather than taking nominations is a good idea.
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How did we not have one of these already?
How do whatcha reading/what comics did you buy this week not already accomplish this thread's purpose?
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Old 12-30-2012, 02:28 PM
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How do whatcha reading/what comics did you buy this week not already accomplish this thread's purpose?
Cause it doesn't. If you ever bothered reading the posts that come before yours you'd already know that.
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Cause it doesn't. If you ever bothered reading the posts that come before yours you'd already know that.
The thread's title is very different than it's seemingly intended purpose.
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Old 12-30-2012, 04:15 PM
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Yeah, we already have a few generalized threads on reading books and other printed media, so to create a super-generalized thread that can encompass all of them seems pointless. But hey, here it is and here we are.
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Guys, this could change everything.

I hope you're ready for a paradigm shift, because The Room is finally getting its own book. Sort of. Rejoice!
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As someone who's glommed on to the other book threads: a book club is a great idea and I totally support it. It's amazing how much material is on Project Gutenberg, especially the Australia site. Not to mention the loads of scans on the Internet Archive (better than Google Books sometimes, depending on how obscure the item is and how much you want to be looking at a version of an actual page).
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I just wanted to put this belated blurb that Phillip Pullman is workin' on stuff! :3
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Chinua Achebe has died. If you haven't already, read 'Things Fall Apart' some time. An outstanding novel about imperialism.
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Chinua Achebe has died. If you haven't already, read 'Things Fall Apart' some time. An outstanding novel about imperialism.
Yams were a man's crop, the king of crops.
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Scott Brick is making the Passage a hard book to listen to. Every line he speaks has this weird undertone of sadness to it.

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My fathers has a number of "True Murder Stories" style books strategically placed around the house wherever he thinks he might need one. I just flipped one open and saw this:

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Are Russians only interested in winning Olympic events, sending Cosmonauts into outer space and lining up for loaves of bread? Of course not. They are also deeply involved with murdering one another.
Which, as far as opening paragraphs go, is definitely one of the better ones I've encountered.
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That jives with the impressions I got from reading a lot of Russian short stories, which left me thinking that Russia was the most miserable place possible, with everyone determined to make sure everyone else was a miserable as they were.
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So, I've been watching Avengers: EMH on Netflix lately, and it's put me in the mood for some superhero comics. In particular, I've always enjoyed the concept of the Fantastic Four and the characters when they appear elsewhere, but I know next to nothing about their series. Can anyone recommend me the best of the FF?
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So, I've been watching Avengers: EMH on Netflix lately, and it's put me in the mood for some superhero comics. In particular, I've always enjoyed the concept of the Fantastic Four and the characters when they appear elsewhere, but I know next to nothing about their series. Can anyone recommend me the best of the FF?
If I were to recommend any one book, it would be the third Essential Fantastic Four volume, besides being aged to perfection Lee/Kirby, it's also got two of the most famous FF arcs and has Reed and Sues wedding, which am very well be the Craziest Damn Comic I Have Ever Read.

Seriously, it has a blind man hijack a semi-truck full of nuclear weapons from a group of terrorists and crash it into a whale as a minor plot point and is by no means he most insane thing to happen in those pages.
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That's exactly the guidance I was looking for! Thanks!
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If I were to recommend any one book, it would be the third Essential Fantastic Four volume, besides being aged to perfection Lee/Kirby, it's also got two of the most famous FF arcs and has Reed and Sues wedding, which am very well be the Craziest Damn Comic I Have Ever Read.

Seriously, it has a blind man hijack a semi-truck full of nuclear weapons from a group of terrorists and crash it into a whale as a minor plot point and is by no means he most insane thing to happen in those pages.
So, when does FF stop being awkwardly sexist (or is that "get less awkwardly sexist")? I mean, I knew Sue didn't have her force field powers right away, but there was this issue that had the FF answering fan mail, and the complaint that she was a token female came up. It was both hilarious and cringe-worthy at the same time, as they fiercely defend her by bringing up all the times she helped them out while they were saving the day, and Ben literally says "if you want to see women fighting all the time, go watch lady wrestlers!" I mean, their heart was in the right place, but wow...

And then the next issue, which is not a(s overtly of a) fourth-wall breaker, has them discussing how they're gonna take down the Hulk, and Sue's saying how she doesn't think she'll be very helpful. General Ross reassures her by telling the superhero that she can help by keeping up the men's morale. Her teammates basically say "yeah! That nice gentleman is right! See, you can be helpful!"

I mean, I've read plenty of Silver Age Spider-Man, so I wasn't totally unprepared, but I thought a woman superhero as part of the core cast would make more of a difference.

With that said, I am enjoying how off-the-wall and experimental the stories are, and Stan's lovable wacky dialogue can really shine with a team of heroes to play off each other.
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Old 07-09-2013, 09:46 PM
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How did we not have one of these already?

ALT: How did I miss the old one?

Anyway, question:

How do you feel like a book club for TT?

I read a lot of books and sometimes I really want to have somewhat meaty discussions about them. The "Watcha Reading" thread moves too fast for that or it doesn't move at all.

Please note this Book Club will not be a team effort. I will name some books each month that are in my queue and people can say they want to read that or not, I'll pick the one most people respond to or seem to care about, unless I pick something completely different. Why is it this way? Remember when you had your senior group project in High School and in order to guarentee you got a decent grade you ended up doing the whole thing yourself? That's why. They can drop in and out of the Club, see?

Is this an idea worth pursueing or am I crazy(ier)?
Remember when I asked this whilst creating a superfluous thread? You should cause I just quoted it!

Well guess what?! It's happening!. Go to the subforum and scroll down to the bottom of the screen. See my name in the bottom right hand corner?

(I RULE YOU)

So, there's going to be a Talking Time Book Club! Modeled after the fun club we have for video games. It will begin next month (August 2013) I will be creating a thread for nominations.
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I for one welcome our new ant overlords.
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True story, I tried reading Ready Player One because my brother and my best friend both recommended it.

I couldn't get past the first few chapters. The sheer level of self-indulgence that reeked through the pages... I felt as if I was witnessing the masturbation session of somebody who defined himself as "a real man" and who couldn't get pleasure from anything other than memories from his sad, forgotten youth. Never before a book had made me feel dirty. I couldn't wash that feeling away so I dropped it, never looked back.

And that's how I finally came to terms with the fact that both my brother and my best friend's taste in books sucks.

That said, I am curious to finish reading it just to see how Spielberg manages to make a decent movie out of it. All I need to do is find something akin like a mental condom because eeew.

Or spoil myself with Wikipedia. That might work, too.
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Is there a name for the rule that any given series from a single author, when they have been going on long enough, eventually read like fanfiction?

I am talking about the retcons and reinterpretations from past books that suddenly appear in later works as the writer realizes that they have written themselves into a corner or simply because they have changed their mind regarding past characters or events, or because they want to tie everything into a nice knot, including past, contradictory works.
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