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Old 01-12-2019, 11:11 PM
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Yeah, different strokes for different folks, but the violence and overall grim tone specifically are why I don't show these Superman movies to my kids, and it just doesn't stop feeling weird to say that. Infinity War is way less depressing than BvS (and now that I think of it, the former is more streamlined than the latter despite have a lot more characters)
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Old 01-13-2019, 05:36 AM
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I get what youíre putting down excitemike, and I canít blame you for it. But I really resent that perspective sometimes. Thereís this bizarre expectation that Superman be fully formed from the womb as the perfect superhero, and thatís just not really realistic or interesting. MoS tries to show a story of how Superman would develop into that paragon of morality, but people are either impatient that it takes time to get there, or that heís not already that from minute one.
If the arc of the film was Superman learning to be human, that would be fine. The problem is Snyder isn't interested in that. His Superman starts off as a dick, but never learns not to be a dick. Throughout his two films, his abiding characteristics are that he's arrogant, aloof and selfish, helping people only out of grudging obligation rather than because it's the right thing to do. In BvS it seems like he's only interested in saving Lois because she's "his", anyone else is expendable.

If I wanted to see an objectivist Superman, it would only be as an explicit critique of objectivism, rather than from some guy whose dream project is to make The fucking Fountainhead.

The dream sequence with Pa Kent where he tells Clark "You don't owe these people anything" embodies that line of thought. Compare that to "They're a good people, Kal-El, they wish to be, they only lack the light to show them the way" and you might see why some think this movie might have gotten Superman wrong.
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Old 01-13-2019, 06:23 AM
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The Fucking Fountainhead was the most pointless softcore porn parody I've ever seen. It's basically just white people jerking off.
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Old 01-13-2019, 06:24 AM
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The Fucking Fountainhead was the most pointless softcore porn parody I've ever seen. It's basically just white people jerking off.
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Old 01-13-2019, 11:05 AM
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Iíve not seen it, but Iím assuming that Man Of Steel would have been a much better movie if the only change was that Zach Snyder wasnít the director.
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Old 01-13-2019, 12:55 PM
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Iíve not seen it, but Iím assuming that Man Of Steel would have been a much better movie if the only change was that Zach Snyder wasnít the director.
Itís a pretty good movie, if you ask me.
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Old 01-13-2019, 03:34 PM
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"There's only one way this ends, Kal: Either you die, or I do."

Can't say I liked Man of Steel. Dodgy lines aside, it comes across as a critique of super heroes; Superman is a God, and when Gods clash mortals are ground under their heel. It's a bold choice, especially for a film which was supposed to make you like Superman, and to kick off a cinematic universe about super heroes.
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Old 01-13-2019, 04:29 PM
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I think Green Lantern would have been more popular today in post MCU dominance world, as opposed to the post Dark Knight world.
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Old 01-13-2019, 04:30 PM
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"There's only one way this ends, Kal: Either you die, or I do."

Can't say I liked Man of Steel. Dodgy lines aside, it comes across as a critique of super heroes; Superman is a God, and when Gods clash mortals are ground under their heel. It's a bold choice, especially for a film which was supposed to make you like Superman, and to kick off a cinematic universe about super heroes.
I donít think it was intended to be part of a shared universe, that came after.
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Old 01-13-2019, 05:30 PM
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Iíve not seen it, but Iím assuming that Man Of Steel would have been a much better movie if the only change was that Zach Snyder wasnít the director.
I typically don't like Snyder, but I would say Man of Steel is the one movie where this isn't the case. It's the best possible manifestation of all of his idiosyncrasies as a director, and it would be a completely soulless movie without him.

A completely different movie would of course be better for a lot of people who want a light hearted and optimistic version of Superman, but this particular movie without Snyder would just have no reason to exist.

Superman destroying the World Engine is honestly enough to justify Snyder's whole career to me, as a Snyder skeptic. I don't like much of his work, but for those 5 minutes (and for the rest of this movie, but particularly those 5 minutes) I feel like he's doing the best version of what he's trying to do.
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