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Old 10-02-2018, 08:50 AM
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Did Sunspot ever resolve his "I can't use my powers" type storyline in the Al Ewing Avengers books? (I want to read those Ewing books, but haven't yet.) If not, even if the book does use him he might be more of a supporting cast character, rather than a Does a Cool Pose on the Cover character until that's resolved.
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Old 10-02-2018, 08:56 AM
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Yeah, Toni Ho built a device that regulates his powers so he can use them again.
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Old 10-02-2018, 02:48 PM
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Yeah, Toni Ho built a device that regulates his powers so he can use them again.
In that case, Sunspot should be on that cover Doing a Cool Pose, in my opinion.

(Also: Dani)
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Old 10-02-2018, 03:51 PM
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That reminds me of something from later Generation X. It’s not a book about Cool Poses and Skin is maybe the least Cool Pose-y character, so I love this. Like of all the characters to pretend can kind of fly, Skin? And look at his Action Fingers! Adorable.


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Old 10-02-2018, 03:57 PM
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Shatterstar number one comes out tomorrow. Tim Seeley’s writing it. I’m currently reading his Grayson, which is great, and also comprehensively makes the case for Dick jokes. How dare they change Nightwing’s name. Monsters.
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Old 10-02-2018, 04:29 PM
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Hey, Deathlok's not a mutant! Why's he on the team?
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Old 10-03-2018, 02:44 AM
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Hey, Deathlok's not a mutant! Why's he on the team?
having a gun and/or a knife is also enough to join
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Old 10-03-2018, 03:26 AM
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having a gun and/or a knife is also enough to join
And pouches. Can't join X-Force without pouches.
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Old 10-03-2018, 05:53 AM
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A Deathlok was on Remender's Uncanny X-Force team a few years ago. Might be the same one.
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Old 10-03-2018, 06:04 AM
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Also, literally any corpse can be Dethlok-d. Maybe its Cable.
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Old 10-03-2018, 10:25 AM
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Also, literally any corpse can be Dethlok-d.
You don't even have to be a corpse!

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Old 10-03-2018, 10:39 AM
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Trying to make sense of the perspective near Spidey's arm is giving me a headache.
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Old 10-03-2018, 09:04 PM
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Have 2 many screenshots to curate, but Mysterio (or Mystie, as Nate calls him) just created an emotionally satisfying fantasy world for Nate Grey and he went on a date with Threnody, Madelyne Pryor, and Spider-Man.
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Old 10-04-2018, 08:40 AM
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Hopefully he'll get to date Spider-Man in this, too:

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Old 10-04-2018, 07:28 PM
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I’m sure he’ll be straight. He’s being written by people who didn’t have to read queer subtext into his comic to justify loving it! Just as well.

I’m finally up to the “Maddie is secretly an evil alternate Jean Grey!” plot and while I love the pre-Ellis not-entirely-villainous Maddie, this is a lot of fun. Specifically, the explanation that Kavanaugh’s Nate Grey is constantly wandering all over the world doing stupid bullshit for no discernible reason because Jean is fucking with him. Best to kind of treat this like a Xorn/M-twins situation, so Maddie still sort of did a bunch of this stuff in my mind.

This really works for me. Nate Grey’s park psychic phase/horny stand-off with the Purple Man was a highlight but after that I could see how this comic got its reputation as “bad.” It really is just all over the place.








Shaman Nate Grey really is a different character, so it was nice to my old confused friend back.

Oh it looks like Warren Ellis really likes casually destroying major cities in ways you would expect might reverberate for years later. (he killed half a million Londoners in Excalibur)
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Old 10-04-2018, 08:51 PM
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I’m sure he’ll be straight. He’s being written by people who didn’t have to read queer subtext into his comic to justify loving it! Just as well.
Nadler and Thompson at least know about X-Man's gay following and Christina Strain's pitch based around it. (from back in January)

But yeah I would rather have Strain's book than their shaman messiah jesus version.

Also, searching their accounts for "X-Man" references I saw this from mid-2017:

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Why are you so nice to us?! And yes, we are super into big 2 work... would kill to write Swamp Thing or a weird X-Man reboot.
I guess their incredibly niche dream came true.

edit: And another from 2015. These guys . . . really wanted to write an X-Man comic book.
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I won’t read anymore until tomorrow night and I’m not sure how clear the timeline will be anyway, but I love the idea that Nate Grey’s advice to Gaia to just fuck off and wander came from a place of confusion and mind control.
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Old 10-09-2018, 08:41 AM
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Continuing to read mostly everything chronologically, I've made it to around 2001.

2000 was an extremely rough year for the X-books, mostly because it saw the Revolution-branded attempt to relaunch and revise the direction of the line. Claremont returned to write both Uncanny X-Men and X-Men vol. 2, after having been gone from them for nine years or so (but not from X-Men altogether, as for example he wrote a Wolverine story arc a year or two earlier where basically all the women Wolverine knows get mind-controlled to dress in fetish leather outfits and try to murder him... yeah). I don't know if the editorial landscape was against him creatively, or if he had no basis for the characters anymore since his earlier departure, or if he was just burnt out... but this is a really bad run in all respects. The plot is dictating the narrative over the characters, and what that plot is is a series of meandering, weightless fight scenes, against freshly-concocted villain groups that aren't characterized to any meaningful extent. Who's pulling for the Neo, the Goth, the Crimson Pirates, Tullamore Voge, or Vargas? The entire time it feels like Claremont is spinning his wheels waiting for something to happen, but then the run is over entirely. It's weird and frustrating. Claremont moved on to launch X-Treme X-Men after this, which is... not good, but it sure exists.

The other major player in this relaunch was Warren Ellis, who was hired to plot out Generation X, X-Force and X-Man. His work doesn't fare any better. I really dislike Ellis as a writer, because most of the time his writing communicates this sneering contempt for the spaces he has to work in or the characters he's depicting, or a too-clever-by-half smug self-satisfaction. Those elements are present here, if diluted because it honestly doesn't seem like there's much investment put into these books on a creative level. You get some empty violence and superficially "cool" black leather makeovers out of it, and a reminder that Whilce Portacio's grimacing musclelords might've comfortably existed in the Image zeitgeist of a decade prior, but not here.

I think outside of those, it's an era mostly characterized by a lot of books coming to a close or nearing their respective ends. X-Man concluded, and while the book had lost me a long time ago, if it indeed ever had me, the last few issues had substantially more interesting art and plotting than what had come before. See you later, Nate! Generation X likewise ended (both at #75; spooky), and this I was more saddened by, mostly because throughout its long run I was never disinterested in the cast it featured even if the creative teams wildly shifted along the way. The final batch of issues were quiet character interaction stories, so I'm feeling pretty positive about it on that basis.

All of that is to say that Morrison and Quitely's New X-Men run has now started, and while I read some of it as a kid, I am now more equipped to say: it good. Excited to read more.

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They brought the Demon Bear back for a mostly unsatisfying story for X-Force #99, but at least we got a Sienkiewicz cover out of it.



Monet briefly left Gen X so she could fight a vampire. She's great.



For some reason, comic books published in 2001 are still running Charles Atlas bodybuilding ads. Transform into a dynamo!



Wolverine ends up in a trademark dispute.



Uncanny X-Men #391 is an issue entirely devoted to Cyclops and Corsair meeting up to have a camping trip after Cyclops's return from being fused with Apocalypse during The Twelve storyline and subsequently going missing. It hits a lot of marks for me because I'm invested in 1) quiet character-driven stories 2) Cyclops's long-term development and arc 3) Summers family awkwardness. Really stands out in this era in particular, when there's not a lot of calm going on. I cried reading it.



X-Men Unlimited #32 opens with a farcical "beyond the music" in-universe documentary story about Dazzler and her career. In effect it recaps her publishing history in a lighthearted way, including her solo series which a lot of people probably haven't read and here get some sense of its delightful absurdities. The story's interiors and the issue's cover are by Jill Thompson, in a rare Marvel appearance. Recommended for Dazzler buffs.



A Magik piece by Sienkiewicz from the same issue.



The end of X-Man is basically all stuff like this.



X-Treme X-Men's premise involves Destiny's diaries and their portentous prophecies, which at least offers us scenes of her and Mystique being very queer through history.



It's a classic panel.
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Old 10-09-2018, 10:12 AM
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I really did not like the final 13 issues of X-Man much at all. (have revised my opinion about the Maddie/Jean stuff... don’t care for it) Aimed higher than what came before and missed. Also, don’t like the direction Nate shifted in. Also, furthermore, most importantly, in conclusion, Nate’s hair is worse.

The last arc in Generation X was very nice. The final issue was sad and for me, nostalgic, because I was reading the series as it came out. Otherwise, in both Faeber’s and Wood’s run, Adrienne Frost is just kind of a one-note maniac.

The most promising thing about Nate’s upcoming appearance is that, in their Battle of the Atom interview, either Nadler or Thompson (you try distinguishing between strangers on a podcast!) said they fell in love with Nate based on appearance alone and it didn’t really matter what his book was like. Same! But I think they’re just going to produce a very different Nate comic than I’d like to see in 2019. I’d much rather Disney waste money producing 9 issues of Christina Strain’s and Kris Anka’s joke pitch instead of twenty issues of beardy Jesus. But that was never on the table. Dang!

(I re-read their Cable and it’s not their fault but no, I still can’t remember or have an opinion on anything in a Cable book, while I loved Strain’s Gen X)
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Old 10-09-2018, 10:17 AM
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I will say, in the flashback arc, someone called Skin gay and he was only upset because homophobia isn’t cool, and he’s comfortable with his homosexuality and I miss him.

I think that might’ve been the only reference to homosexuality in the series, but I could’ve missed something.
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I really did not like the final 13 issues of X-Man much at all.
My secret is that when X-Man got too dreary to try and read earnestly and with full attention, I shifted to entirely skimming the pages and looking mostly at the art. Try it!
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Old 10-09-2018, 10:19 AM
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I did like the art!
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Old 10-09-2018, 10:22 AM
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I think that might’ve been the only reference to homosexuality in the series, but I could’ve missed something.
Well, I mean, Emma does have an erotic dream about killing her sister in the final issue.
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Old 10-09-2018, 10:33 AM
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Also, R E V O L U T I O N era Gen X and X-Man were more decompressed than anything else in either series. No idea if that was editorial mandate or creator preference. Definitely didn’t mind having less self-serious babble about Shamanism.
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Old 10-10-2018, 02:02 PM
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Here are images; I barely remember where they came from. My mind is addled.

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Very cagey about whether or not Nate and Maddie are fucking. The answer is yes.

Nate Grey is EMOTIONAL. He DROPS HIS G's before he comes a Shaman, which stood out in the recent Cable flashback issue to me, one of two people, along with Peklo, who was reading Classic (?) X-Man this year.

He's sad he's not a telepath btw

This pic showed up in that DK guide to the X-Men and was one thing that sold me on Maddie, in addition to her backstory. Everyone should wear mesh shirts; don't know what to say.

They're fuckin'


At some point, there is a Cable crossover starring Stryfe and unfortunately he and Maddie are opponents. Still:

Opened up this imgur album by mistake and am struck again by the injustice that Nate Grey in 2019 is not going to be a beautiful/unbearable freegan vlogger!!

I love the slightly absurd intensity of ChrisCross's Nate


'Ta

At some point they get trapped in Space so Madelyne does this, which I think is the only time they actually lock lips once Nate realizes they're related

Common occurence for Nathaniel. She's also a war criminal, just like Maddie.

Guest writer. Look at all those G's. Love that he's brooding in a bubble.

He's cold!

Mister Sinister designed him with attitude...

Nate Grey starts wearing his father's old X-Factor uniform, with yellow now, and it's one of favorites, or just, I really liked that pin-up of him the DK Guide to the X-Men when I was 13.

My mind

Maddie's final appearance pre-R E V O L U T I O N. (I'm gonna stop doing that) She's aged and that's a dropped plotline because next time we see her, she's been Secret Jean Grey for... most of the time? (don't care for that) (Mysterio does concoct an illusory Maddie for Nate later)

sigh~


I can't find the screenshot, but I do think it's cute that there are countless Nate Greys who aren't just "Cable, but a twunk" but are also all from averted timelines.

Anyway, much of the last year is devoted to robed villains talking about how their's a double helix of realities with lowlier realities at the bottom and it's pretty dumb and the reveal is, "it's pretty dumb." I guess the art's pretty.

Anyway, they're in togas but NOT horny so I was never convinced of their utopia.

There's something to be said for reading less than legitimate copies of this book. Love the lore-appropriate graffiti.



BTW Nate encounters the Authority right after Ellis leaves and not-Midnighter dies without even shooting his shot.


Anyway, Nate Grey. I miss the idea I had of him when I was in junior which was sort of confirmed by most of his comic book, but he's taken a different path now. Why am I even looking at his instragram. I shouldn't be! I'm glad he's a Shaman now.

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Generation X
In the 50s, Generation X visits Madripoor and encounter such characters as, a woman with roller blades, Raiden, and Psylocke. I loved them as a child.


Before that, Gaia leaves. This is the last time anyone mentions her, aside from the letters page. I don't think anyone really mourns her loss, because, contrary to my memories, she was kind of indistinct

Oh, Bobby

Really a shame that Alpha Flight never hooked up with Nate Grey to have a fight for no reason.

The issue where Artie and Leech get lost in New York was great. It's the only time I really cared about them. (they were funny) Also, gave Tom Corsi and Firestar the opportunity to be like, "by the way, Emma, what the fuck?"

These two boys!

They are co-parenting Mondo and apparently he was replaced by a clone before he ever met Gen X. This definitely contradicts Mondo's sort of gentle thought bubbles in one Generation X annual but I will just attribute it to a continuity error, like the one time Skin expresses interest in women when he's not in front of his friends pretending to be straight.

Anyway, if only!

Hey, Juggernaut, too.

The Monet v. Vampires subplot felt very truncated, which makes sense because the creative team was being replaced for R E V O L U T I O N

Monet is constantly catching bullets in this era. It's fine; she looks cool.

Bit of stretch! But who can say. Honestly, they probably should've given Skin a random power-up. Instead... he turn his fingers into balls now, or something.

So the reason Synch dies is that Adrienne loves murdering people and she comes back saying, these are my intentions, to murder teens, and so she does.

I love Generation X's final outfits, that they use on no missions because the last arc is just kind of a hang-out thing. I mean, there's still violence.

So glad that Generation X taught me what bubble tea was before that article explaining it in the New York Times a few years ago caused to be like, "you didn't know what bubble tea was? appalling"

I guess this okay?

This is probably as good as it gets. I'm just worried he'll fuck up his hands! I needn't, though: he'll die soon enough then stay dead

I guess he turned him palms into balls, not his fingers

Emma's goin through it


Enjoyed this cap to their relationship.


Anyway, the final issue was kind of a bummer but what can I say, I liked it, too.

In conclusion, Generation X had two annuals devoted to Chamber and I guess he is the most popular member for reasons that elude me. The last one is notable for being a rare instance of Skin lookin' weird. (both Chamber and Skin decided to look Hot by bunching up his skin... somewhere and pretending to have a jaw, respectively)
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OMG, after I read X-Man I went back in time to read Howard Mackie's Astonishing X-Man. Nate Grey doesn't do anything interesting but Mackie understands the core of his character, clearly.



He never snowboards in his book, but you know, he really should've.

Also very chill about robot tentacles


This is from Bishop's miniseries. I've screencapped shit like this before and I will never stop.

The villain was just real gross is my take away.


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Old 10-10-2018, 02:13 PM
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Wait... isn't Madelyne Pryor X-Mans mom?

Alternate timeline mom, sure... but still.
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Old 10-10-2018, 03:13 PM
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Yeah. It’s weird.

(At some points she is apparently an alternate Jean Grey pretending to be an alternate Madelyne pretending to be this Madelyne. I personally like to think the replacement Jean/Madelyne was lying about how long she was traveling with Nate)
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