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Old 02-09-2019, 09:59 PM
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Atlus used to be one of my favorite publishers, but I haven't played a game they've released since P5 and there's little in the future that interests me. I'm not saying I'll never buy from them again just yet, but I am realizing that if swore them off forever I don't really think it would be much of a sacrifice on my part.
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Old 02-09-2019, 11:12 PM
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I'm not saying I'll never buy from (Atlus) again just yet, but I am realizing that if swore them off forever I don't really think it would be much of a sacrifice on my part.
Yeah, I feel pretty similar. The last new Atlus game I bought that wasn't a VanillaWare remaster was Etrian Mystery Dungeon.

Like, I do still have some interest in the Etrian Odyssey series, even if I've sworn off getting another non-Mystery Dungeon one until either I beat Etrian Odyssey IV or the series materializes on my phone in a non-emulation capacity, but the only interest I have left in Shin Megami Tensei and Persona is in rereleases of the earlier ShinMegaTen games and the PSone era of Persona. And that's only if they don't dump a crappier translation on games that already had a great localization (Strange Journey WHYYYYY) or pull a George Lucas and change shit that didn't actually need changing.
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Old 02-11-2019, 02:15 AM
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...tbh I'd rather had stephanie minion ending than bad representation, geez
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Old 02-15-2019, 06:49 PM
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...tbh I'd rather had stephanie minion ending than bad representation, geez
Atlus: Why not both?


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Old 02-15-2019, 06:52 PM
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Uh, gonna go with yikes on that one.
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Old 02-15-2019, 06:59 PM
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Did the ceos of Atlus and NIS get into a drunken bet over who could be the more tasteless game developer?
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Old 02-15-2019, 07:00 PM
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W E L P
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Old 02-15-2019, 07:11 PM
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"Hey! Why do just ONE transphobic bait-and-switch when we can do TWO for twice the outrage!"
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Old 02-15-2019, 07:22 PM
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Uh. Wow.
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Old 02-15-2019, 07:32 PM
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"Oh wow I'm not queer, what a happy ending!!!!" is also how Naoto and Kanji's character arcs resolve in Persona 4.

This particular story trajectory is A Thing for Atlus.
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Old 02-15-2019, 08:19 PM
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"Oh wow I'm not queer, what a happy ending!!!!" is also how Naoto and Kanji's character arcs resolve in Persona 4.

This particular story trajectory is A Thing for Atlus.
10 years ago in Persona 4 it was easy to think this was well-intended ignorance, but it's painfully apparent now that was way too optimistic.
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Old 02-15-2019, 09:00 PM
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J E S U S

yeah, I've read that article

man, can I send Hashitno some megidolaon?
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Old 02-15-2019, 09:04 PM
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Default I was gonna make a time travel joke, but nah.

Hashino needs to fuck off.
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Old 02-15-2019, 09:07 PM
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back then Gale dated an intersex women named Angel (and there's this Seraph), then there's the cast of p2 (Jun, Tatsuya, Anna, That intersex Sumaru Genie... and others...), Soul hacker's Madame Ginko(? It's kinda implied tho)

.................................................. ....tbh it just felt unfair to boycott ATLUS completely when the problem is Hashitno itself
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Old 02-15-2019, 09:14 PM
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back then Gale dated an intersex women named Angel (and there's this Seraph), then there's the cast of p2 (Jun, Tatsuya, Anna, That intersex Sumaru Genie... and others...), Soul hacker's Madame Ginko(? It's kinda implied tho)
Persona 1, 1997: "Be Your True Mind"

Catherine, 2019: "Ewww no, that's yucky."

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"Oh wow I'm not queer, what a happy ending!!!!" is also how Naoto and Kanji's character arcs resolve in Persona 4.

This particular story trajectory is A Thing for Atlus.
Yeah, turns out, the hypocrisy of Atlus's self-important "themes" didn't start with Persona 5. The rot's been there for a long time.
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Old 02-15-2019, 09:18 PM
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Turns out it gets worse folks.
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Old 02-15-2019, 09:24 PM
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We were all correct about Rin

They did the thing with Rin AND they did the pink Minions with Rin too

And then THIS time-travel nonsense

JFC Atlus
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Old 02-15-2019, 09:27 PM
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Fuck Hashino and fuck Atlus Japan

(Met's right; the USA branch is likely stuck in a shitty localization fiasco here)
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Old 02-15-2019, 09:29 PM
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Fuck Hashino and fuck Atlus Japan

Last edited by MetManMas; 02-15-2019 at 09:32 PM. Reason: WildcatJF basically ninja'd what I was saying so I'll just quote him.
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Old 02-15-2019, 09:38 PM
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somebody needs to kick Hashino out and restore ATLUS to its former glory (ah, Kaneko. Where art thou )




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"Oh wow I'm not queer, what a happy ending!!!!" is also how Naoto--
honestly Naoto doesn't felt like trans rep and more of a gender equality issues (with japan being crazy about its obsession with gender conforming, like how girls that doesn't want to have family is a disgrace (according to the government) and there's some medical university who purposely lowers the girls exam score because "girls doesn't belong in the medical fields!" and some pressure from men to be "ultra masculine") but that's a story for another time....

I came from Asian country and yeah. Gender equality is pretty shit in this area, unlike on the west
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Old 02-15-2019, 09:46 PM
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Naoto’s entire dungeon revolves around “the surgery” and treats it like a mad scientist deal. As in a mutilation thing. Which is how bigots see SRS.

It’s super gross and I don’t know what to say between that and Kanji’s “resolution” being that he isn’t gay cos Naoto is “a girl”.
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:01 PM
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Naoto’s entire dungeon revolves around “the surgery” and treats it like a mad scientist deal. As in a mutilation thing. Which is how bigots see SRS.

It’s super gross and I don’t know what to say between that and Kanji’s “resolution” being that he isn’t gay cos Naoto is “a girl”.
well, never played p4, so I'm not sure about it. But just wanna drop that gender equality in eastern country aren't really that good compared to the west...

but if the Naoto dungeon part are like "that", then... yyyyyyiiiiiikes

meanwhile for Kanji, I get it it's a "Just liking girly things doesn't instantly makes you gay, don't be sexist" message, but geez. They end up making it sound like "lol, stay away from gay ppl they gross heheh" message which is YYYYYYYIIIIIKES

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back to the topic. I just felt it's kinda unfair to boycott/blacklist the whole ATLUS just because some one homo/transphobe director (and uh, I heard SMTIV got this creepy nationalist stuff with Xi Wangmu quest...)

considering back then ATLUS was respectable with treating minorities like real human instead of being political pawn/hot takes or offensive stereotypes

p2 is the testament to that (and Gale was dating an intersex women, in a 2004 game)

so, yeah. Problem is with Ha-shit-no himself
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:18 PM
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also, new persona won't be directed by Hashino anymore, wahoo~

(SATOMI TADASHI!!!! RETURN TO MAMA--)
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:21 PM
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I dunno. Hashino didn't force Atlus to make his game with his ideology at gunpoint. Everyone in Atlus's management and creative teams who needed to sign off on this project, did. Even if they're not directly guilty, they're either accomplices or enablers, and that's not a company I would want to support.
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:37 PM
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I dunno. Hashino didn't force Atlus to make his game with his ideology at gunpoint. Everyone in Atlus's management and creative teams who needed to sign off on this project, did. Even if they're not directly guilty, they're either accomplices or enablers, and that's not a company I would want to support.
geez, I get it... but idk... considering how Hashino is a top dog at the company, and even at one point there's a women employee in ATLUS who questions about the male gaze or fanservice...

dunno, it felt like those employees got no other choice

(NNNNNow I wonder how japanese LGBT people felt toward ATLUS games now? I know some people who's a sexual minority and an avid fan of ATLUS stuff... I just wanna hear their opinion)
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:51 PM
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They gave some bullshit PR line like "we want PC players to experience as it was originally intended" which I read as "we would really like you to buy this twice on PC."
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Another potential reading could be “Yeah... so some of these additions in Full Body are going to be REALLY offensive to some of you, so here is the original version on a more timeless format.”
So did Atlus USA push for the PC version? Because yeah...
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:57 PM
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Another potential reading could be “Yeah... so some of these additions in Full Body are going to be REALLY offensive to some of you, so here is the original version on a more timeless format.”
So did Atlus USA push for the PC version? Because yeah...
Apparently they also removed Erica's deadnaming from the credits in Classic, so maybe?

Still doesn't really fix the rest of the issues with the game, but that's something.
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Old 02-15-2019, 10:59 PM
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You know, I usually make fun of conservative types who burn their expensive shoes or throw their coffee makers out a window because these brands support progressive values/refuse to sponsor far-right people, but...

Considering I bought the original game in 2011 and haven't played it once? Those $60 are worthless now. Plus, I gave those to a company that still had Nich et al in it and which I was glad to support. But if it's true that Hashino's original vision for the game is what we're getting now? I really wouldn't mind running the game disc through a shredder or setting it on fire.

(Biggest loser is Nintendo, since I don't need to buy a Switch in time for the Joker DLC in Smash anymore)
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Old 02-15-2019, 11:11 PM
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it's a shame honestly back then I saw some playthrough and the puzzle segment looks really fun...
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Old 02-15-2019, 11:47 PM
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