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View Poll Results: The Black Omen from Chrono Trigger:
I didn't play Chrono Trigger as a young'un, so my vote doensn't count, but I like clicking buttons! 9 11.25%
It's a tower, and it's always been a tower. 20 25.00%
It's a star destroyer, and it's always been a star destroyer. 30 37.50%
It's a star destroyer, but I sure always saw a dang ol' tower as a kid. 20 25.00%
I always saw a star destoyer, but I'm switching my vote to tower now because I'm wacky. 1 1.25%
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Old 06-07-2017, 11:57 AM
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I see a few people on Loki's crazy team now, so just to make sure that everyone has seen the original post:

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Old 06-07-2017, 11:58 AM
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It's a ship, jfc
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Old 06-07-2017, 12:02 PM
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I voted for "once a tower, always a tower," but after reviewing the evidence, I must agree that it is a star destroyer.
I have a sneaking suspicion that ~half of the voters in that group have similarly failed to review the evidence, which I'm re-posting again for the new page:

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The Black Omen is a star destroyer, not a tower!
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Old 06-07-2017, 12:03 PM
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I have a sneaking suspicion that ~half of the voters in that group have similarly failed to review the evidence
Isn't that always the case with any kind of voting~~
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Old 06-07-2017, 12:06 PM
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It's a ship, jfc
I dunno, that picture makes a pretty compelling argument that it would be much more rad as a floating fortress. I'm mighty tempted to change my vote back...
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Old 06-07-2017, 12:10 PM
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I mean if that were a tower, it'd be the derpiest tower ever designed, is all I'm saying

(plus it's totally a ship, look at it)
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Old 06-07-2017, 12:15 PM
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(plus it's totally a ship, look at it)
Been looking at it for decades, bud. It wasn't until the crazy conspiracy-looking image with the labeled lines that I could see anything but a tower. And even then, I kind of needed the fan art to help me get the rest of the way.
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Old 06-07-2017, 12:21 PM
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I always thought it was a tower, but now I'm convinced it's a ship.

That said, I still think a tower would be more intimidating.
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Old 06-07-2017, 12:28 PM
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Someone on NeoGAF made this:





The Omen's shadow indicates the back half is at the same altitude as the front half.
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Old 06-07-2017, 12:31 PM
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As part of the Tower Defense, I'd like to point you to the linked timecode in the video posted above.

Consider as the dome of destruction expands from the water below, the Omen is consumed from the bottom up. This suggests a tower shape with the bottom of the sprite representing the base. If it were a star destroyer, the destruction would occur all over, or perhaps starting at the edges and working inward.

Additionally, the Omen is seen to sink as the repulsors on its bottom are destroyed. This further indicates that the bottom should be read as Y Axis down and the top as Y Axis up.
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As part of the Tower Defense, I'd like to point you to the linked timecode in the video posted above.

Consider as the dome of destruction expands from the water below, the Omen is consumed from the bottom up. This suggests a tower shape with the bottom of the sprite representing the base. If it were a star destroyer, the destruction would occur all over, or perhaps starting at the edges and working inward.

Additionally, the Omen is seen to sink as the repulsors on its bottom are destroyed. This further indicates that the bottom should be read as Y Axis down and the top as Y Axis up.
I thought about this, but as part of the Convert Sect, I can easily imagine the Omen Destroyer trying to flee Lavos' Akiraball and getting pulled into it stern-first, so what looks like the "bottom" is consumed first of all.
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I thought about this, but as part of the Convert Sect, I can easily imagine the Omen Destroyer trying to flee Lavos' Akiraball and getting pulled into it stern-first, so what looks like the "bottom" is consumed first of all.
Yeah, same.
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I thought about this, but as part of the Convert Sect, I can easily imagine the Omen Destroyer trying to flee Lavos' Akiraball and getting pulled into it stern-first, so what looks like the "bottom" is consumed first of all.
Or, easier - it's the reverse of what happened to the Executor in Jedi.
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Old 06-07-2017, 01:04 PM
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Why would someone build a flying tower? Look at it, it has engines, its not flying by magic.

A tower with engines on the bottom is kind of weird. It would take a hell of a lot of propulsion to keep a tower like that flying. It must be top heavy, are there stabilizers? How does it keep from flipping over?

By contrast, a ship with engines on the back makes perfect sense.
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It's an upright walking cow-looking mothercusser
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Guys obviously nobody would make a flying tower. That's just dumb.

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Guys obviously nobody would make a flying tower. That's just dumb.

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Old 06-07-2017, 01:25 PM
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Why would someone build a flying tower?
When you already live on a floating archipelago, a floating tower probably makes a lot of sense. Also, Queen Zeal is notably crazy.

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Look at it, it has engines, its not flying by magic.
magic engines, though

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By contrast, a ship with engines on the back makes perfect sense.
A ship with engines on the back that doesn't move an inch over the course of 14,300 years
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Old 06-07-2017, 01:28 PM
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The Epoch can idle in midair, is it a tower?
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The Epoch can idle in midair, is it a tower?
Gimmie a few days to commission some artwork.
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I voted my conscience. Once a tower, always a tower.
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You worry about those fighters, I'll worry about the tower.
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Clearly the only solution here is to split off and make 3 new forums where everyone can live in their own happy bubbles. My forums will have funny photos, Loki's forums will have funny drawings, and the other will be a humourless void from which no light or hope can escape.
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Clearly the only solution here is to split off and make 3 new forums where everyone can live in their own happy bubbles. My forums will have funny photos, Loki's forums will have funny drawings, and the other will be a humourless void from which no light or hope can escape.
In which forum does the Mega Man 2 Air Tiki have an octopus mouth and in which does it have a round nose?
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Old 06-07-2017, 01:55 PM
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Clearly the only solution here is to split off and make 3 new forums where everyone can live in their own happy bubbles. My forums will have funny photos, Loki's forums will have funny drawings, and the other will be a humourless void from which no light or hope can escape.
I would like to see some funny photos of the Black Omen

I am ready to l a u g h
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I'd like to point out that the original image that started all this is disingenuous in regards to the "rear isometric view" of the bridge.



Notice how the two screenshots on top don't have the same aspect ratio? Whoever made the image intentionally cropped the left screen. From what I can tell, this is how the image appears in game:



It's a bit tough to see under the command box but there's no hint of blue or sky along the bottom of the structure the team is fighting on. However, I found this image on a Chrono wiki site showing what's fully stored in the cart for that scene if you ROM hack:



So rather than showing the screen in game, which would neither confirm nor deny the theory, or even showing the full image from the ROM (which the image creator obviously had,) they chose to crop the image to make it appear the player would see the blue only under the "wings" of the bridge, which would appear to extend beyond the edge of the lower decks if one were inclined to view the Omen with a star destroyer shape. Clearly this was not the intention of the production team.

I'd like this particular piece of evidence for the star destroyer theory thrown out and the integrity of its creator questioned.
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The fact remains that the pinnacle is (a) the same structure seen in the center of the world map model and (b) drawn to have open air beneath the sides of it.
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That top bit ("pinnacle") has a clearly defined edge on the "northern" side that's shaded like the "northern" edge of the main segment of the Black Omen. That's what makes it look like a Star Destroyer to me. If it were a tower, the appearance of the pinnacle would suggest that we're seeing it from below.
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