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Old 11-20-2018, 11:38 AM
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Default LET'S PLAY KILLER7 - The world won't change. All it does is turn.



Hello ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Let's Play Killer7.

Killer7 was first released on the Gamecube and Playstation 2 in 2005. And honestly nobody knew what to make of it. If you dig up all the old reviews written for it back in the day you'll find nothing but a sea of confused game writers trying to figure out just how in the hell they were supposed to reconcile this thing against Resident Evil 4. Confused attempts to describe the Graphics as "Cel-shaded" and plot comparisons to the Metal Gear Solid series abound. It was a game wholly unlike anything else out there, and nobody really had a category for it yet. An "Art Game" before Art Games were a thing.

The game didn't sell super great, but its immediate cult status and lasting legacy as one of the most fucked up gamecube games ever made elevated it's writer/director Suda51 from "some guy who makes weird games" to "THE GUY who makes weird games", and prompted western releases of Suda's early Japan-only games such as The Silver Case and Flower, Sun, and Rain. Crazed fanboys (such as myself) spent years begging Capcom for a remaster, and our demands were finally answered when the game got a steam re-release in November of 2018.

For this LP, I will be streaming the game to my Twitch.TV Channel, most likely with a bunch of people from my Discord Crew yelling nonsense all over it. That footage will be edited and uploaded to my Youtube Channel, before finally posting it here in this thread with accompanying write-ups. I'll try to announce my intention to stream in advance of actually going live both here and on my Twitter, but I'm bad at remembering to do that, And I'll prolly just forget.

YOUTUBE PLAYLIST

A NOTE ABOUT THE TRANSCRIPTIONS IN THIS LP

Killer7 has a LOT of text, most of which is presented in the form of cut-scenes where dead people deliver heavily distorted monologues. Said monologues are very important if you want to try and figure out just what the fuck is going on, but I'm way too lazy to transcribe all that shit by hand. Fortunately GameFaqs has me covered.

All the transcribed text in this LP will be copy-pasted from the following resources with only minor editing. Please join me in thanking these brave heroes who took on the thankless task of transcribing everything everyone says in this game, so that I could benefit from their hard work a full decade later.

Killer7 Game Script - OrdogToxin - 2008/10/23
Remnant Psyche FAQ - Save_Some_FACE - 2007/10/05
Travis Monologues FAQ - Shockley_Haynes - 2009/08/05
Pigeon Letters Text - Shockley_Haynes - 2008/05/05

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Old 11-20-2018, 11:47 AM
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Cool. I played the hell out of RE4, Viewtiful Joe, and P.N.03, and Dark Phoenix never came out, so this was always the random part of the Capcom 5 that I didn't know anything about. I'm looking forward to finally seeing it.
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PROLOGUE BONUS POST!
TRIGGER WARNING: EVERYTHING


Let's get this out of the way right now. This game is fucked up. Like, seriously fucked up. "Fucked up by video game standards" fucked up. Like, the medium has had 13 years since the game's initial release, during which enormous strides have been made in the art of simulated graphic murder! You'd think that by now our standards for what qualifies as fucked up would have reached dizzying new levels, and we'd find what was considered fucked up in 2005 to be positively quaint! But no! Somehow, in defiance of all reason, this game is still really really fucked up!

If you are sensitive to or triggered by anything on the following list, please proceed with caution.
• Murder
• Torture
• Dismemberment
• Blood
• Gore
• Rape
• Terrorism
• Child abuse
• Abuse of the elderly
• Organized crime
• Human Trafficking
• Organ Trafficking
• Self-harm
• Suicide
• Murder-suicide
• Cults & indoctrination
• War
• Nuclear war
• Jump scares
• Cuss words
• Probably some other stuff I'm forgetting.

WILL THIS LP EXPLAIN THIS GAME?

Kinda sorta maybe I guess but also not really IDFK WTFever.

A lot of the weird shit in Killer7 isn't really meant to be explained. And defies any sort of simple logical breakdown. I can give my INTERPRETATION on some of the stuff in here, but if you point to any random aspect and go "WHY THIS?" I'm probably just gonna reply "WHY ANYTHING? SHIT JUST IS."

Which isn't to say I don't have theories! I've got loads of them! But I'm not going to seal myself in a wine casket to engrave upon a grain of rice a comprehensive theory on the exact mechanics of, say, Samantha personality changing based on the lighting in any given room, or where exactly the blood channel guy fits in with the Smith's group dynamic. I have seen the THEORY.txts of the past, and am haunted by grim visions of future "THE HIDDEN MEANING OF" videos. I refuse to sink to such depths of depravity.

IS KILLER7 A GOOD GAME?

Killer7 is a fucking miracle.

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Fuck yes this game is an Awesome and must be celebrated. I even hear the PC port is good!
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CAST OF CHARACTERS
WHO THE FUCK ARE THESE WEIRDOS?

TO BE UPDATED AS THE STORY PROGRESSES (MAYBE).


THE SMITHS.


HARMAN SMITH
"THE GOD KILLER", "THE MASTER"


The leader of the gang, and the host to the seven personalities that make up the killer7. Harman has something called "Multifoliate Personae Phenomenon" a made-up phrase meaning that when a different personality takes the wheel, Harman physical body changes to match. This is absolutely how Dissociative Identity Disorder works in the real world.

While his advancing age has constrained him to a wheelchair, Harman's influence, intelligence, strength, and apparent supernatural power still command a great deal of respect. The kind of old man who's always polite and reserved, but when he talks, everybody listens. In combat he uses a fucking enormous sniper rifle. Not that he's in combat that much. He has people for that.


GARCIAN SMITH
"THE CLEANER"


Harman's most loyal servant/persona and the only one allowed to communicate with the master directly. In fact, communication is pretty much Garcian's whole thing, as he's also the only Smith that's allowed out in "public" to do things like contact government agents and other entities outside the 7. Given how valuable he is to Killer7's ability to function, Garcian delegates most of the dirty work of the whole assassination part of the job to the other Smiths, only involving himself when they manage to fuck everything up and get themselves killed. I'm pretty bad at video games, so you can expect that to happen a lot.

Calling Garcian "the only Smith with people skills" is less of a compliment for Garcian than it is a diss for everyone else on the team. Garcian presents himself as stoic to the point of emotionless. Nothing seems to phase him, or amuse him, or elicit any sort of response beyond a factual, no-nonsense answer. The lone exception is Harman, whom he treats with almost religious devotion.

his primary use in gameplay is reviving killed Smiths. Each time one bites it, you have to take Garcian out to the site of their death to retrieve their remains and bring them back to life. He can't revive himself, so getting him killed is an immediate game over. He's armed with a small pistol, but given the risk inherent in taking him out and about, you'll want to avoid using it as much as possible.


DAN SMITH
"THE HELLION", "THE DEMON"


In a game where most named characters are professional murderers, Dan somehow manages to stand out from the crowd by being just that mean. Everything about him carries a sense of menace, from his perpetual pissed-off glare, to his sneering, resentful voice, even in the way he walks and stands. It sends the clear message that while he might not be the strongest Smith, he's definitely the most dangerous. His terrible attitude and non-existent people skills has guaranteed that nobody actually likes him as a person, but pro murder isn't really a job you take to make friends.

In gameplay, Dan's special ability is a charge shot that can obliterate certain targets and enemies. His stats are the most balanced across the board, making him basically your best choice for every possible situation. He's pretty much my favorite character for actually playing the game, so expect to see a LOT of him in the videos.


KAEDE SMITH
"BAREFOOT"


Of all the personas, Kaede strikes me as the Smith who's most out of place. Not because she's the team's only woman, but because everything about her just screams "I don't want to be here". Her mannerisms are all cautious and nervous, and lack of footwear and short dress give the impression of someone who was more hoping to spend their evening at home on the couch instead of running around doing murders. Adding to this impression is her long-range weapon, complete with sniper scope. If she has to be here, then by god, she's going to be as far away from the action as possible.

In gameplay Kaede is your ranged option, best for carefully hitting the weakpoints of enemies from way far away. My standard gameplay style is to not notice enemies until they're two feet away from me, and then frantically fire at everything BUT their weakpoints, so you won't be seeing me use her very much. Her other character-specific ability comes in the form of Mizaru, who is a ghost lady in a bondage suit. With her help, Kade can break magical blood barriers that keep the team from progressing by uh... slitting her wrists. And now that I've written all this out, it suddenly seems REALLY BAD that this game has exactly one female playable character, and her special skill is self-harm.

Like, that's not awesome.

THIS POST IS

PLEASE PARDON OUR DUST

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Default LET'S PLAY KILLER7 - PART 01

TARGET 00: ANGEL PART 01

THE BASTARDS ARE BREEDING

CONTRACT KILLERS
FanboyMaster - Kalir - Caliscrub

In which a black guy turns into a white guy, murders Jimmy Neutron, destroys a giant egg-laying monster in the parking garage, and talks to some friendly ghosts.


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  • THIS GAME IS FUCKING BEAUTIFUL. My new computer has some personal beef with OBS, so it's not QUITE as pretty as it should be on the video, but even with my recording issues you you can tell that this game has some utterly phenomenal art direction. The game gets so much mileage out of flat colors, shadows and gradients, giving itself an incredibly unique look that I've yet to see replicated by anything that's come out since. I don't think there's a single PS2-era game that's aged half as well as this one.
  • THE BLACK GUY TURNS INTO A WHITE GUY, THEN KILLS JIMMY NEUTRON. Just in case you thought this game wasn't going to be fucking weird.
  • MEET VINCEL DILL BORIS VII, IWAZARUSCOF. Iwazaru for short. He's the Smith Syndicate's very own manservant ghost gimp, here to provide exposition, explain gameplay mechanics, and to be an opinionated little busybody in general. He shows up all over the fucking place, hanging from the ceiling and gesturing at us to shush while he tells us all about whatever's currently on his mind. He's okay, I guess, but the Spectral entity I'm REALLY excited to see is...
  • TRAVIS!! Aw man, Travis is just the best you guys. He's the ghost of someone the Smiths killed forever ago, who decided that his spectral revenge upon us would take the form of hanging out and being our best friend, who gives us valuable plot information and wears a variety of fun t-shirts! Also no, he's not that Travis, and yes I can prove it.
  • GUESS I SHOULD TALK ABOUT HOW THE GAME ACTUALLY PLAYS? Basically we're confined to a series of pre-determined paths, and can only choose which direction we're going down them, or which one to take when we reach a branch. Our enemies are the Heavens Smiles, gross blocky monster things that spawn all over the place. When we hear their distinctive laughter, it's time to switch to first person mode, hammer the scan button to make them less invisible, then shoot them until they're dead. If we hit their special weakpoints, we can kill them instantly and get more blood, which we can use to level up our little gang of murder men. We run around the various mazelike levels doing this until we've done all the NEEDED things and reach the end. Rinse and repeat until the game is over.
  • EARLY ON WE ENCOUNTER A DUPLICATOR SMILE. It's basically just a giant mess of vaugely organic grossness that continually spits out eggs containing additional heavens smiles. It's presence here is basically just an in-game tutorial on weakpoints and charge shots. Killing it rewards us with some one on one time with Travis, and a SOUL SHELL, which is something I'll explain later.
  • HARMAN ROOMS. Various doors on your path will lead to these rooms, which provide a variety of services. If you go to the TV you can switch between your available characters, and convert your blood into upgrade points. You can find Iwazaru in the back of the room where he'll dole out long-winded explanations for gameplay mechanics. I will never, ever do this. This is also where you can save your game via... THE SAVE MAID. But only if the room is dark! The Save Maid is weird like that.
  • I SWITCH TO CON SMITH. Con's a punkass who likes to go fast, so I relate to him on a deeply personal level.
  • MEET YOON-HUN. Yoon's basically our hint ghost. If you talk to him normally, he'll politely guide you towards the solution to whatever puzzle is nearby. if you shoot his mask, he'll steal some of your blood reserves, then rudely spell out the solution in no uncertain terms while flipping you off. He'll be KINDA important to the story way, WAY later in the game, but 90% of the time it's just obvious solutions for obvious puzzles, so I'm probably gonna skip him a lot.
  • MEET KESS BLOODYSUNDAY. That sure is a name. Kess is the ghost of a murdered kid who was himself a murderer! He talks a lot about how freaked out he is by everything, which, yeah okay, fair.
  • "MEET" JOHNNY GAGNON. Johnny doesn't actually show up in person, opting instead to contact us via letters sent by carrier pigeons. The pigeons are all named after Bond Girls, because Johnny's a fan.
  • MEET SUSIE SUMNER. Most of the ghosts we've encountered are weird, translucent people, but Susie Bucks that particular trend by being a non-see-thru severed head. When we talk to her, she gives returns our fire ring, then asks us to please leave her alone so she can resume tumbling around in the dryer. Weird girl.
  • I SWITCH TO COYOTE SMITH TO UNLOCK A DOOR. He's the only Smith that knows how to jimmy a padlock. Please note that he holds his gun "gangsta style", and that Iwazaru thinks he's "just a petty thief" who doesn't deserve to be a part of the syndicate. Damn dude, don't sugarcoat it for us or anything.
  • PUZZLES! Get this guys! I had to light the candles... IN THE ORDER OF THE NUMBERS! But first I needed to turn the air conditioner off! because it kept blowing out my candles! Also, I'm just gonna put "puzzles" in scare quotes from now on because seriously.
  • LOLDEAD. Immediately after our victory over the "puzzle" I forget how to turn around when facing a horde of monsters, causing Dan to get exploded to death. How will the Smiths find a way to cope with the loss of their team's scariest motherfucker, who is very definitely dead forever and never coming back?
    Find out... Next time!

TRANSCRIPTIONS
CUTSCENE - INTRO
GARCIAN & MILLS PHONE CALL
Mills: It's me, so, you there yet?
Garcian: You mean this shit hole?
Mills: That's where they all hang out. Our information tells us that there's 14 of 'em.
Garcian: And they're all for huntin', huh?
Mills: Naw, keep one alive so we can ask who their boss is.
Garcian: Anything else I should know?
Mills: Naw, not really, you'll know it when you see them they're, uh, different.
Garcian: Will do.
Mills: May the Lord smile.
Garcian: And the Devil have mercy.

DAN MAKES A FRIEND
Jimmy Neutron: You don't wanna go any further. It's dangerous. My friends are all dead, they were murdered...by people who look like... this. I have been chosen.
*JIMMY TRANSFORMS INTO A SMILEY, GETS SHOT IN THE HEAD*
Dan Smith: Shit, there's more than 14. Those bastards are breeding.

IWAZARU - A REAL TIGHT SPOT
Master. We're in a tight spot! A real tight spot. Like, I haven't seen you for ages. It is I, Vincel Dill Boris VII, Iwazaruscof, at your service. Just call me Iwazaru. Let me show you along the way. To the right, master's room. Straight ahead, the enemy. Let the bloodbath begin. In the name of Harman...

IWAZARU - TIGHT AND OUTTA SIGHT
"Master. We're in a tight spot! Tight and outta sight! Let me make a suggestion. You must turn back. This is the enemy's den. Shudder to think! Their bodies are lined with bombs. They'll bomb rush you, literally! Eliminate them before they blow! In the name of Harman..."

TRAVIS - FUNKY
It's me! ME! You don't remember? Your chief killed me? You already forgot? I'm Travis!! I'm the killer who got killed on the job! Let's be totally honest here. You think I'm a pain in the ass, don't you? Hey Smith, I ain't letting you go nowhere.

IWAZARU - A TRUE FREAK
"Master. We're in a tight spot! This guy is a true freak! But, don't be alarmed. He is my trusted companion, Kikazaru. Those things that Master seeks...The bullets. He loves them so. The bullets were left behind by Master, so the servants search for them tirelessly. Bullets of the soul...Otherwise known as Soul Shells. In the name of Harman...

IWAZARU - OUT OF CONTROL
Master. We're in a tight spot! This mayhem is out of control! Our members have a thirst for terror. With the Hellion, use the R Button and press the Y Button three times. When the test tube fills up with blood, you can fire a deadly shot. The devil's bullets. You can only fire with enough blood. In the name of Harman...

TRAVIS - BAD GIRL
This is just a Duplicator. An egg-laying "Heaven Smile" refitted to clamp down on the city. This sucker pumped out the countless duplicates that took this country down. Hey, Smith... It's your job to eradicate Heaven Smile, right? Then seek the queen. The gatekeeper is in charge of the queen. Give this to the gatekeeper. He won't be disappointed.
*TRAVIS POPS THE TRUNK, REVEALING A SOUL SHELL*

IWAZARU - ULTRA TIGHT SPOT
"Master. We're in a tight spot! An ultra tight spot! Life is precious, and the enemies mean business. They're called Heaven Smile, but look at their eyes! There's nothing heavenly about them! In the name of Harman..."

CUTSCENE - HOODIE NERD
Hoodie Nerd: Help meee!!!
*SMILEY CATCHES HOODIE NERD*
Hoodie Nerd: H, help meee!!!
*DAN VERY DELIBERATELY DOES NOT HELP HOODIE NERD.*
Hoodie Nerd: : (

TRAVIS - LOVE
Let's talk serious for a second. Heaven Smile, they're holy warriors. Shit. Ain't that pretty wicked? Warriors who fight with a holy will on their side, and use death as a weapon. Their target? The very dignity of the country itself. But why should you understand the meaning? Shit, you're a killer after all.

CUTSCENE - THE ONE THAT FREAKED OUT YOUNG BEAT
Unfortunate Lady: C'mon you gotta help me!
*UNFORTUNATE LADY FALLS OVER AND OH FUCK NO*
Unfortunate Lady: : C

YOON-HYUN - LIKE OLD TIMES
POLITE OLD DUDE
Oh, like old times, yes? You tell me, how's old Smith? Things going good with Mills, no? That old Smith, not much of a successor. But good man, yes. Thank you, much gratitude. Ready for today's hint? "I checked the candlesticks. A strange design indeed. It is hidden here. The order is hidden here." You want to know more? then use this mask. Shoot the mask, and the mask will tell you. But watch out! The mask lusts for blood! Thicker blood! Demons lust for blood, yes? If you are brave, shoot the mask. It'll tell you everything.

MASKED ASSHOLE
So you are the worthless loser? What a pitiful existence... I am the True Mask and I shall guide you. "The Ring of Fire and the numbers shown on the candlesticks. From 1 to 5. Follow the order and ignite the flames. Tomorrow it could be you.

KESS BLOODYSUNDAY - A WHITE LIGHT
Please help me! It suddenly disappeared. A white light flashed before me. Everything is transparent. So I held his hand. Whose hand was it? Then before I knew it I was lost, all alone again. Please help me! I can't see a thing.

IWAZARU - MAJOR TIGHT SPOT
Master. We're in a tight spot! A major tight spot! He's here! Yes, HIM! Master, you can't...? You're going to go and kill him? What?! Impossible! You're a fool! An incorrigible fool! Impossible! You're sure to fail! You know nothing of his strength! Oh, stupid, stupid, Master! That Mills really fooled you... In the name of the Fool...

CARRIER PIGEON - BIANCA
Dear Emir,

It is a pleasure to make your acquaintance, and many thanks for choosing me for the job. My name is Johnny Gagnon, otherwise known as Speedster. I get excited when I slit a guy's. throat. I know that may be sick, but I do the best work in town.

This is a report on the job. I'm sure you'll like what I have to say. I watched them like a hawk, so I think a hefty reward is in order!

There are 7 in the Smith Syndicate. Dan Smith, who uses a large caliber revolver. Kaede Smith, who uses a large automatic rifle. Con Smith, who uses 2 full auto pistols. Mask de Smith, who uses grenades. Kevin Smith, who uses knives. Coyote Smith, who uses a modified gun. Garcian Smith, who uses a small pistol.

They are an armed force that rivals a small army. You wouldn't want to be on their bad side. In conclusion, it is in the interest of the United States to "keep" them around. There's no telling when they might come in handy.

I'll be contacting you again,

-Johnny Gagnon

YOON-HYUN - SCREW THIS
MAN, FUCK TRANSCRIBING THE HINT JACKASS. HE'S NOT EVEN SAYING ANYTHING RELEVANT TO THE PLOT IT'S JUST "HERE'S HOW TO SOLVE THE PUZZLE"

SUSIE SUMNER - LAUNDRY DAY
"Well, hello, Smith. ('-')/ Looks like it's cloudy today. Which is really too bad. (#_#,) Not a day to hang out the laundry. A great day to use a dryer, though. But you know... I just love this one. (~.~) I'll never let anybody have it. You know why? Well, you should. I love to stay inside. You left this behind, didn't you?"
*FIRE RING RETURNED*
If you've finished your business, could you hurry up and leave? You're very much in the way. ('#') Assassins should have better manners!

IWAZARU - TALKING SHIT ABOUT COYOTE
Master. We're in a tight spot! He's just a petty thief. Does he really deserve to be part of the syndicate? I'm having strong doubts. The Thief is like an organized crime outfit all wrapped up in one. He can pick any lock. There's no stopping this freak. Apparently he just loves giant padlocks. Ah, and here he comes. In the name of Harman...

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Oh my LORD I didn't know how bad I needed this.

It's only one person on-screen when Garcian recreates the Abbey Road cover, but Garcian is at that point the host for four actual killers (Dan, Con, Coyote, and Kaede).

Also I was a teenage idiot when I first played so I didn't notice that Iwazaru's weird gimp mask was strangely reminiscent of the Japanese nationalist rising sun symbol and normally I'd write that off as coincidence, except Suda51 drinks from the Gimp Mask Character Design well quite frequently and this is the only character that has that.

Plus, it's impossible to read too much (or too little) into Killer7.

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Oh my LORD I didn't know how bad I needed this.
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Also I was a teenage idiot when I first played so I didn't notice that Iwazaru's weird gimp mask was strangely reminiscent of the Japanese nationalist rising sun symbol and normally I'd write that off as coincidence, except Suda51 drinks from the Gimp Mask Character Design well quite frequently and this is the only character that has that.

Plus, it's impossible to read too much (or too little) into Killer7.
As an adult idiot, who is on his 4th or 5th playthrough, I didn't notice this until you pointed it out. Good catch!

Killer7 is equal parts poignant mind-blowing symbolism and meaningless gibberish that's just there to confuse you, and nobody really knows which is which.

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If we knew what it meant, it would just be Braid.
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Killer7 is equal parts poignant mind-blowing symbolism and meaningless gibberish that's just there to confuse you, and nobody really knows which is which.
Even Suda?
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Judging by the chronology of his work, Suda pretty clearly knows even less than we do.
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To spoil something later on:

Suda's idea of a dramatic reveal of a villainous plot only works if you have literally zero idea how elections work.

This is, of course, a feature.
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Default LET'S PLAY KILLER7 - PART 02

TARGET 00: ANGEL PART 02

HOW SOON IS NOW

GATEKEEPERS
Caliscrub - FanboyMaster - Kalir

In which a dead man is brought back to life via rapid pressing of the A button. Also, Iwazaru's ex-wife is here.

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  • "DON'T MAKE ME SAY IT AGAIN. I'M A CLEANER." Dan getting himself exploded at the end of the last video gives me a perfect excuse to talk about how dying works in Killer7. Every time you get a persona killed, you're taken back to the most recently visited Harman Room, where Garcian's profile will be selected by default. Take Garcian back to the crime scene, and he'll pick up the dead persona's remains so you can revive them with button-mashing. It's not a very harsh a penalty as far as video game deaths go, but you have to be VERY careful when playing as Garcian, because the only character he can't bring back to life is himself. If he gets killed on a retrieval mission, it's an immediate game over.
  • ALSO, THE DEAD SMITH'S REMAINS ARE REPRESENTED BY BLOODY BROWN PAPER BAGS. Like a sack lunch, only instead of a sammich it's a human head.
  • "NOW THAT IS A GOOD FUCKIN BEER." No BEAT Let's Play is complete without at least once instance of me abandoning my computer mid-recording to get alcohol. That shit's been happening since Bad Rats. It's practically my calling card.
  • BATHROOM PUZZLE. We use the fire ring to set off the sprinkler system in the 3rd floor bathroom. This allows us to flush the toilet, which causes an odd engraving to tumble out of the broken pipe in the laundry room downstairs. Killer7 is a very logical game.
  • I GUESS I SHOULD MENTION THE ODD ENGRAVINGS? We actually got one last video for solving the candle "puzzle", I just totally blanked on mentioning it. They're basically glorified keys, similar to the crests or carvings in a Resident Evil game. In this case, we put the two we've obtained into an electrical box, which causes all the bookshelves in the library to slide out of our way.
  • MASK DE SMITH BEST SMITH! Mask De Smith can blow up cracked walls to open up additional paths! How? LUCHADOR MAGIC THAT'S HOW.
  • MEET MIZARU. At various points in the game, you'll see a lady in a white gimp suit, hanging around on the ceiling. That's Iwazaru's ex-wife, Mizaru. No idea what caused that relationship to fall apart, I mean, they seem like they were made for eachother. Her presence signifies that there's a barrier of some sort nearby that only Kaede can break by, uh, slashing her wrists. You guys all read the trigger warning I put in the prologue post, right? Ok cool just checking. Anyways, breaking this particular barrier leads us to a table covered in Jewelry, where we find our second SOUL SHELL.
  • KAEDE CAN ALSO ABSORB BLOOD. This is also accomplished via slashing wrists. Because reasons. We use it here to change a bloody message from HOW SOON IS NOW to NO. A marked improvement, in my opinion. Also it's the passcode we need for the next door I guess whatever.
  • CAN I JUST SAY HOW MUCH I LOVE THE GREEN ROOM'S VISUALS? Just, MAN! Such a great use of the game's artstyle! So fucking good.
  • THEN WE REACH THE VINCULUM GATE. We'll be visiting this place a bunch of times over the course of the game, but each time will follow the same pattern:
    • An ordinary door will take us to The Gatekeeper, who will only let us pass if we've found all the level's SOUL SHELLS, so yeah there was an actual reason for us to collect those things.
    • We will then ascend of a short flight of stairs while listening to a Fucking Sick Techno Track.
    • The stairs exit into The Colosseum, which is a massive, ruined building. In the center of this building is a small concrete structure with a shuttered door, that our path will always take us tantalizingly close to before veering off to a different exit. Kess Bloodysunday will be found waiting by our exit, where he'll warn us about a monster on the other side.
    • The exit will take us to an area that looks like the rest of the level, where we'll encounter a Queen Smile, which is a fancy word for miniboss. in this level it's the speed smile, who jerks around as it approaches, making it harder to shoot.
    • Once the smile's dead, we walk through a little lobby area and down a short flight of stairs, where we can listen to more Awesome Techno.
    And then it's over, and we're back in the level proper. And if we turn around and go back through the door we just came through, we'll end up in whatever room we were in before all that nonsense started. It's almost like that whole series of impossible events was all in our imagination or something.
  • IN THE NEXT HARMAN ROOM I REACH THE LEVEL'S BLOOD CAP. Each level will only let you convert so much blood into upgrade vials before the machine stops working. It's not hard to reach the max by just playing normally, but if you don't reach it, you can just replay the level to farm up more kills until you hit the cap. I generally blow all my vials on Dan and Con, so it won't be long before my team's power dynamic is lopsided as hell.
  • "LET'S RIDE AN ELEVATOR! IT'S EXCITING!" Where's this elevator go? Find out... next time!

TRANSCRIPTIONS
IWAZARU - MASK IS WHACK
Master. We're in a tight spot! Mask is seriously whack! When there's a crack, it's his show. He's filthy powerful! He'll destroy all of kingdom come, and then some! He's a liability, if you ask me... In the name of Harman...

CARRIER PIGEON - PUSSY
Dear Emir,

Emir, we have a problem. A terrible thing has happened! I can hardly believe it, but the money is not in my account! I need your help. You got my last message didn't you?

I trusted you... Now don't let me down. Promise me! Wire me the money immediately. A hundred and twenty-five bucks is peanuts, I'm telling you!

The Smith Syndicate operates in strange ways.

Garcian Smith manages the other 6 personas, and mainly acts as a negotiator for work requests. Garcian never eliminates people himself. His role is to retrieve the bodies. Even if another persona is killed, it appears he is able to to bring him back to life. Like a wizard, I tell you...

However, it is my hunch that somebody off-stage is calling the shots and controlling Garcian. There must be a hidden mastermind separate from the active team. And it's likely that this mastermind assigns the jobs. Garcian is very loyal, and he values the organization. He controls the personas to keep the organization safe. He's a middle manager, you see.

The members switch using the medium of television. But I have yet to determine what governs the switches. The Smith Syndicate is composed of one sensible person and six freaks. I have never seen the personas interact with each other. Soon I expect to unmask the myth behind this strange group.

I'll be contacting you again,

Johnny Gagnon

TRAVIS - DREAM
I was the chief's first catch. I can still remember the chief's quivering hand... The pain went straight up my spine, and then back down again. To be honest, that shit felt good. It all happened on that smoldering hot night...

IWAZARU - TIGHTER THAN TIGHT
Master. We're in a tight spot! Like, tighter than tight! Oh, I have offended my Master with my foul words...But please, you must understand! Just thinking about HIM drives me absolutely mad! He fixes to sink this country good, and so he sends his unending parade of minions! With no signs of letting up! Just how many followers does he command? Beware of old friends... In the name of Harman...

CUTSCENE - HALF OFF
Unlucky Girl: Get away! What is this thing?!
*THE SMILEY REACHES HER AND JEGUS FUCK.*
Unlucky Girl: H... help... me...

IWAZARU - MY EX-WIFE
Master. We're in a tight spot! Watch out for barefoot, Kaede! I've sensed this presence before. My ex-wife Mizaru is near... She is now the servant of barefoot. Let my wife serve you through barefoot. Use the Y button for death shower. in the name of Harman...

TRAVIS - L.A.
Huh? Can't you see I'm busy? You really oughta to mind your manners. You guys are just a pack of losers. You don't even know how to make use of your abilities. There are traitors in Heaven Smile. The chief's very own inside guys. They have a white body, spattered with red blood. A reminder of traitorous deeds. Funny thing is, the splotches look like beautiful red roses... If you find a Camellia Smile, use your ability. Kill one of them, and you'll get loaded up. For real, man.

TRAVIS - NIGHT LIFE
Can you see it? Words written in blood... Obviously had a point to make... But only two letters are written in real blood. The rest are fake. You need the girl for this one.

TRAVIS - SEXUAL
This is where the Queen is. It's different than a duplicate. It's an evolved Heaven Smile, with boosted explosive power. You gotta take it out before it gets too close. They're crazy, I'm telling you. They'll be on top of you the moment you open the damn door.

IWAZARU - TURNING IN A BAD WAY
Master. We're in a tight spot! Things are turning in a bad way! An infamous criminal lies this way! And he's protecting HIM! Wicked bed partners, indeed, indeed! Ah, yes... Seek out the Soul Shells! With Soul Shells, he's sure to allow you through the gates! In the name of Harman...

IWAZARU - AIN'T EVEN FUNNY
Master. We're in a tight spot! Ain't even funny how tight it is! Once you open this door, there's no turning back, Master! Well, you can come back, but I mean, that's the gravity of the situation! Don't get me wrong. Like a prelude to later battles, you see? You must take it very seriously. In the name of Harman...

KESS BLOODYSUNDAY - QUICK AS LIGHTNING
Please help me! That monster is quick as lightning. I tried my best to run away, but it caught up with me anyway. Hurry! Kill it before it explodes! No! I'm going to die again today! Somebody please help!


BEAT: Okay, what does this say? "How soo... ne nowl"?
Kalir: "How soon is now."
BEAT: Ohhh "How SOON is NOW" okay, okay.

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At various points in the game, you'll see a lady in a white gimp suit, hanging around on the ceiling. That's Iwazaru's ex-wife, Mizaru. No idea what caused that relationship to fall apart, I mean, they seem like they were made for each other.
I don't know - two bottoms doesn't seem like it would work very well.
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I don't know - two bottoms doesn't seem like it would work very well.
I came here to make this joke but I was too slow so instead I'll meme.




(I guess that's pretty NSFW but come on you're in the Killer Fucking 7 thread, this is the most wholesome thing you'll get here.)
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There's a total of three gimps. Ceiling gimp is Kikazaru, who is the game's way of saying "yo there's a soul shell here" and who is, to use Iwazaru's words, "a total freak". Mizaru is exclusively summoned by Kaede for hemomancy reasons.
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Yeah but if you count his work in No More Heroes there's way more gimp suits.
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There's a total of three gimps.
Yes, but how many of them were in a relationship?
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TARGET 00: ANGEL PART 03

THE MOTHER OF THIS PLACE

DID NOT DIE IN VAIN.
Kalir - Caliscrub - FanboyMaster

In which we meet an Angel, a Devil, and a God.

NOTES
  • A CAMERA OUTSIDE OF THE ELEVATOR CHANGES US BACK INTO GARCIAN. Fortunately there aren't any threats in this part of the level that can kill him. Just a talk with Travis, and a (missable?) conversation with Kess. Also, Travis Calls us Emir for some reason. Weird guy.
  • THEN ANOTHER CAMERA FORCES US TO CHANGE INTO THE PRIMARY SMITH: HARMAN. The Smiths's core persona appears as an old man in a wheelchair, pushed by our loyal Save Maid, Samantha Sitbon. The way the cutscene opens implies that she's wheeled him all the way to this point, and it's only now that he's taking over. She also vanishes in a same way that Harman appeared as soon as her boss is out of sight. Harman does not react to his attendant in any meaningful way. He just silently wheels himself forward into the next room, where he encounters...
  • THE ANGEL. In a game full of highly stylized but relatively realistically proportioned humans, The Angel sticks out like a sore thumb. She's a full-blown anime, complete with huge eyes, glowing blush and unnerving smile. Oh and also four translucent wings. She gives an extremely anime speech that implies that she's the one who filled this building with Smiles and that she will punish Harman for going against her!
  • HARMAN HAS NO TIME FOR THE ANGEL'S BULLSHIT. "Goodnight child, it's past your bedtime" is basically grumpy old man talk for "GTFO kid." He then draws his MASSIVE rifle, and blasts all four of her wings into oblivion. For a moment it looks like the Angel's down for the count, but then she picks herself back up and mocks us in a very different voice from the one she had a second ago. The wings on her back have been replaced by four red faces. Then a camera on the wall transforms us back into Dan Smith, meaning the cutscene's over, and it's time to get back to work.
  • BOSS FIGHT TIME! All we have to do is stand still long enough for her to take aim, then run around the room while she's doing her big pyrokinesis thing and shoot the faces on her back. Hit all four, and she explodes into a mass of feathers. It takes me awhile, but it's not that hard, I just suck at video games. The whole thing is by far the most NORMAL fight in the game, which should tell you a lot about just how weird things are going to get.
  • AFTER THE FIGHT, ANOTHER CAMERA TURNS US BACK INTO HARMAN. We wheel our way down a long hallway, and out into what's either a very oddly-designed balcony, or a portion of the building that's still under construction. Here we find the Angel we just killed, sitting in a chair at the end of the room. Behind her, a dude wearing a green coat fades in and out of existence. Shooting the angle only gets us some distortion effects and an insult. Shooting the Green dude causes the angle to explode for the final time, and kicks off a cutscene in which we...
  • MEET KUN-LUN. Kun is the real cause behind the heaven's smiles, the Angle is something he just threw in for fun. You can find a full transcript of their conversation below, but what I want to draw your attention to is just how unconcerned both men are through their entire conversation. They hit eachother with corny lines and talk about their weekly chess games, neither bothered in the slightest about the fact that moments ago they were trying to kill eachother. This is made even odder by the fact that the only thing we can do as soon as their talk ends is draw Harman's rifle and aim it at Kun, like the talk they just had never happened at all.
  • SHOOTING AT KUN CAUSES THE MOST IMPOSSIBLE THING EVER TO HAPPEN. Kun catches the bullet, and lets it drag him across town, landing on a building that looks an awful lot like the Space Needle. Even though the two are now miles apart, they're somehow able to continue their earlier conversation, which can be read in full below. Harman glares, Kun laughs. Smash cut to black.
  • ANGEL: COMPLETE. The only post-level score tally we're given is a countdown of exterminated heaven's smiles. I killed 52, which is WAY more than the promised fourteen!

TRANSCRIPTIONS
TRAVIS - PILLOW TALK
Oh, there you are! Don't be shy, Emir! Who woulda figured you'd be the only survivor? Well, anyway, are you getting along with the chief? Straight up, I was waiting for you this whole time. Yeah, I know... Don't be so mad, man... Don't glare at me like that... The chief'll wake up. Really, I'm sorry. The other chief must be rolling on the floor with laughter.

KESS BLOODYSUNDAY - I STOLE THE WINGS
Now I remember. I stole the wings. And then... A woman glared at me with a stern look. But I didn't run away. Then I saw it... On the woman's back... Were faces... They were smiling. Heh heh...Funny faces. But you'd better erase the faces...

CUTSCENE - THE ANGEL
A LOYAL ATTENDANT
*The Save Maid pushes Harman's wheelchair. A title card tells us her name is Samantha Sitbon*
Samantha: Please, be careful sir.
*Harman wheels himself forward. Samantha vanishes once he's out of sight.*


THE ANGEL
Angel: I'm the mother of this sacred place. Our four children served their purpose, they didn't die in vain. But our other nine children were killed by you. What do you want from us? We're only serving our gods. At heaven's command, we will kill the unwanted. We must get rid of bad trees from their roots. I hope that you are not one of them.
Harman: Good night, child. It's past your bed time.
*Harman shoots off angel's wings. Angel falls, then picks herself back up.*
Angel: You think you killed me? Better think again!

CUTSCENE - TRICKS ARE FOR KIDS
Kun Lan: Oops, I guess my trick didn't work on you.
Harman: Tricks are for kids, Kun. I'm an old man.
Kun Lan: Ahh, yes.
Harman: Nothing has changed for 30 years. No matter how many times you try, the result will be the same.
Kun Lan: Ahh, yes. Like our chess games, you always seem to win.
Harman: Do you know why?
Kun Lan: You tell me.
Harman: Because you're a bad player.
*Both men laugh.*
Kun Lan: A new generation of children will bring order to this age.
Harman: You're a good friend, but unfortunately, our interest is not mutual. We both have become burdened with so much, and we don't have time for fun anymore.
Kun Lan: There's always time for fun. It's Friday night.
Harman: Let's dance.
*Harman shoots Kun right across town*
Harman: You're awake from your dream.
Kun Lan: Harman, the size of the world has changed. Its changed to the size where you can control it with your hands just like a PDA. The world will keep getting smaller.
The day when laughter
disappears from this world draws near.

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