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Old 03-04-2016, 11:02 AM
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Default TTBC March 2016: The Princess Bride abridged by William Goldman

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The Princess Bride is a 1973 fantasy romance novel written by William Goldman. The book combines elements of comedy, adventure, fantasy, romantic love, romance, and fairy tale. It is presented as an abridgment (or all the good parts) of the book titled "True Love and High Adventures" by S. Morgenstern, and Goldman’s "commentary" asides are constant throughout.

The Princess Bride is presented as Goldman's abridgment of an older version by "S. Morgenstern", which was originally a satire of the excesses of European royalty. The book, in fact, is entirely Goldman's work. Morgenstern and the "original version" are fictional and used as a literary device.

Goldman carried the joke further by publishing another book called The Silent Gondoliers (explaining why the gondoliers of Venice no longer sing to their passengers) under S. Morgenstern's name.

Goldman's personal life, as described in the introduction and commentary in the novel, is also fictional. In The Princess Bride, Goldman claims to have one son with his wife, a psychiatrist. In reality, Goldman has two daughters, and his wife is not a psychiatrist. The commentary is extensive, continuing through the text until the very end.

The book's actual roots are in stories Goldman would tell to his daughters, one of whom had requested a story about "princesses" and the other "brides".[3] Goldman describes the earliest character names from the "kid's saga" as "silly names: Buttercup, Humperdinck".[4] The countries are both named after coins. The Florin was originally an Italian gold coin minted in Florence, and later the name of various currencies and denominations. The Guilder was originally a Dutch gold coin, and later the name of various currencies used mainly in the Netherlands and its territories. The two names are often interchangeable.
They also made a movie about it I hear... People have feelings about it, I guess?
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Old 03-04-2016, 11:03 AM
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I have never read the book but have fond memories of watching the movie with my family. I'm looking forward to finally experiencing the book.
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Old 03-04-2016, 11:04 AM
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The Princess Bride has interesting things to say about age and aging, which is something that gets lost under the trash heap of memes
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Old 03-04-2016, 01:33 PM
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I'm definitely in. Love this book.
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Old 03-04-2016, 11:00 PM
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You should really read S. Morgenstern's original; Goldman's abridgment misses the point completely, losing all the nuance and turning it into an adventure story.
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Old 03-05-2016, 03:34 AM
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As you wish.
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Old 03-05-2016, 11:01 AM
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I would kill to read the original. It must be so amazing!
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Old 03-06-2016, 08:02 PM
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The closest I've ever come to making a straight-up "Um, actually..." Youtube comment was on an episode of Game Grumps where Danny talks about The Princess Bride and clearly doesn't know that the whole "good parts version" thing is a joke.
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Old 03-07-2016, 12:15 PM
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William Goldman presents us with four examples of romantic love:
  • Desire - William & Sandy
  • Head-over-heels romance - Westley & Buttercup
  • "There's no love there" - William & Dr. Goldman
  • Love between two people who no longer give a shit about anything - Miracle Max & Valerie

William Goldman is not a very optimistic man.
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Old 03-07-2016, 12:29 PM
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Well, Jewish, so there you go.
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Old 03-07-2016, 01:41 PM
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William Goldman presents us with four examples of romantic love:
  • Desire - William & Sandy
  • Head-over-heels romance - Westley & Buttercup
  • "There's no love there" - William & Dr. Goldman
  • Love between two people who no longer give a shit about anything - Miracle Max & Valerie

William Goldman is not a very optimistic man.
Also, consider the ending for the Westley & Buttercup romance, which is absurdly downbeat.
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Old 03-08-2016, 07:21 AM
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Nonsense; Rugan loves hurting people, with a passion that never flags, and Humperdinck loves himself.

Of sure, those aren't "normal" relationships, but the heart wants what it wants.
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Some of the Manhattan locations mentioned in the "real-world" part before Chapter 1: The Bride are real (and still exist): the Argosy used bookstore, Peter Luger Steak House, and El Parador Cafe. They were in the Vintage New York book I read before I took a trip to NYC.

Not sure what the Nine-Nine-Nine bookstore he first tries was really named but I'd guess the places he fictionally interacts with are more likely to be fictional.
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Old 03-19-2016, 07:45 PM
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I've forgotten how... Yiddish this book can get.
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Shrieking eels > sharks
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It is causing me great distress that I can't track down either of my copies of this book. I believe I loaned them various brothers over the years, but they don't seem to have them. I think I am just going to have to break down and get it for my kindle so I can join in on this.
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I regret reading the intros to the 30th and 25th anniversary editions.

Get out of the way and let me get to the book already.
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In my experiences, Forewords never improve any given book. They're an impediment to enjoyment, in fact.

...maybe Slaughterhouse 5, but nothing else.
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In my experiences, Forewords never improve any given book. They're an impediment to enjoyment, in fact.

...maybe Slaughterhouse 5, but nothing else.
Italo Calvino's If on Winter's Night a Traveler has an amazing foreward, but it's arguably a part of the story.
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The forward to Islandia by Austin Tappan Wright was miles better than the book and worth the price if admission.
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Old 03-25-2016, 08:00 PM
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Finished the book this evening. I didn't read the first chapter to Buttercup's Baby that was at the back.

The book was good fun. But the movie contains o much of it, line for line even, that part of me feels a little cheated.
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Old 03-25-2016, 09:02 PM
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Also finished today.

The introductions and the reunion scene/Buttercup's Baby are really the bulk of the not-in-the-movie content.

It's also jarring when the movie is word-for-word except where it's not and the movie was revised for the better. (e.g., Inigo's final line to Count Rugen).
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As I mentioned in a different thread, Buttercup's Baby isn't actually a thing (unless Guilder suddenly became one). It's Goldman cheekily poking fun at people who want a sequel to something that doesn't need one.
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The book was good fun. But the movie contains o much of it, line for line even, that part of me feels a little cheated.
This is a natural consequence of having the author adapt his own work. Personally, I didn't mind.
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It's also jarring when the movie is word-for-word except where it's not and the movie was revised for the better. (e.g., Inigo's final line to Count Rugen).
In my opinion almost everything in the movie is revised for the better. Which I don't view as a bad thing or necessarily a knock against the book. I just really feel like the movie captured the spirit of what Goldman was going for better than the book. I'd credit a lot of this to the performance of the actors, pretty much all of whom are pitch-perfect.
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In my opinion almost everything in the movie is revised for the better. Which I don't view as a bad thing or necessarily a knock against the book. I just really feel like the movie captured the spirit of what Goldman was going for better than the book. I'd credit a lot of this to the performance of the actors, pretty much all of whom are pitch-perfect.
The book and the movie are also satirizing different things. The book takes aim at Victor Hugo and his contemporaries, while the movie is a take on Hollywood tropes.

I'm just about done with the book I'm on; I think it's time for a re-read.
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The book takes aim at Victor Hugo and his contemporaries
I noticed the good parts of Morgenstern seem to be Dumas and the bad parts Hugo.
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I'd say that, on the whole, the movie is stronger than the book.

But, I would also say that "I feel strong, today. Release a rhino." Is one of my Favorite, most-quoted pieces of dialogue in any book I've ever read.

I am also very glad someone tagged the thread with it.
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The book also has the zoo of death. You don't see no movie with a death zoo.
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The final door with the spider was the BEST.
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