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Old 06-22-2018, 08:37 PM
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I have only watched Jojo, because reading is FOR GAWD DAMN NERDS, but I loved basically all of it. My friend has read all the manga and Part 5 is his favorite, so I'm excited for it. People seem to be REALLY split about Part 5, so I don't really know what to make of it...but I am read for more Jojo, that's for dang sure.
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Old 06-22-2018, 09:44 PM
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I'm excited about JoJo too, but more importantly we're getting another adaptation of novels by the author of Moribito / Beast Player Erin!!
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Old 06-22-2018, 10:07 PM
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I have only watched Jojo, because reading is FOR GAWD DAMN NERDS, but I loved basically all of it. My friend has read all the manga and Part 5 is his favorite, so I'm excited for it. People seem to be REALLY split about Part 5, so I don't really know what to make of it...but I am read for more Jojo, that's for dang sure.
It's fucking stupid but has rad fights and lots of homoeroticism.
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Old 06-23-2018, 12:20 PM
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It's fucking stupid but has rad fights and lots of homoeroticism.
Jeopardy time! “What are the things I expect to get from JoJo?”
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Old 06-23-2018, 12:43 PM
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I noped out of FLCL 2 because of the body horror of the prologue and then the very casual violence slapstick of the household introduction. But I gotta ask:

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To be fair, it does seem to be trying for a more moody and somber tone overall, and that's fine in theory...a more blue and calm maturity to contrast the bombastic PUBERTY IN OVERDRIVE of the original...but I just don't feel like it's good enough on that level either, is the thing.
What, if any, themes is the show building, if it isn't an allegory for coming-of-age/puberty drama?
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Old 06-23-2018, 03:08 PM
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I'm excited about JoJo too, but more importantly we're getting another adaptation of novels by the author of Moribito / Beast Player Erin!!
Huh, I read the summary in that link and that did not go anywhere I thought it was going. (Though, I still need to get around to watching Moribito one of these days; I know it's good but didn't catch it when it was new and just haven't gotten to it.)
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Old 06-24-2018, 01:15 PM
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I have watched the first episode of the Dirty Pair OAV.

In it, the titular heroines surf from orbit, into a super-prison built into the Red Eye of Jupiter, reenact the Noisy Cricket scene from Men in Black (a decade early) and attempt to solve all their problems with bazookas. They're called in to affect a hostage rescue after a prison breakout caused by an electrified yoyo.

So... I'm sorry Slayers, you had a good run. But I have a new Favorite Anime now.
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Old 06-24-2018, 01:52 PM
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I hope you've watched the TV show because the OVAs are basically just MORE DIRTY PAIR TV which is exactly what everyone should want.
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Old 06-24-2018, 02:05 PM
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Sadly not, as the DVDs for the series were sub only, and that is simply not the way Octo rolls
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Old 06-24-2018, 05:22 PM
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I’m Also watching Fullmetal Alchemist, as it’s on Netflix and wow, this show has some astonishing tonal whiplash, eh?
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Old 06-24-2018, 09:03 PM
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We finished watching This is Greenwood last night. I can kind of understand why the comedic parts are all that people remember. The romance that eats up the last two eps wasn't that good (imo).

Random thought that the yankii of the '80s became the moms of heroines from the late '90s and early aughts, i.e. Fruits Baskets' Tohru.
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Old 06-24-2018, 10:31 PM
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This week on safe, mainstream, primetime anime Gegege no Kitaro: hey kids, did you know the diamond industry is an international criminal conspiracy built on human trafficking and slave labor?? Toei is on fire lately and maybe also trying to burn down capitalism?
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Old 06-25-2018, 12:27 AM
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I’m Also watching Fullmetal Alchemist, as it’s on Netflix and wow, this show has some astonishing tonal whiplash, eh?
The 2003 one, or (the one much closer to the much better original manga) Brotherhood?
Either way, yeah, that it does, but at least for me it worked. There is sth quite special about Arakawa's ability to make funny jokes even in/about the darkest situations.

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Well, now I may have to watch that, see what you've done.
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Old 06-25-2018, 04:18 AM
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Original, but Brotherhood is on Netflix as well, so I'll eventually get there.

Just finished the episode where it's revealed that the kind, nerdy alchemist they were learning under was actually a psychopath who was abducting people off the street and torturously combining them with animals hoping to make intelligent chimeras. Up to and including his wife and daughter.

Also, Ed and Al are apparently 10 years old at this point and that's straining credibility just a bit more than everyone being insistent that there's nothing magical about being able to manipulate things at a molecular level by carving elaborate runes that fire off lightning.
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Old 06-25-2018, 06:16 AM
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Neat, that way you get the first chapters at a more adequate pace - Brotherhood blazes through the first few stories because it assumes you either watched the original anime or read the manga, and it had better stuff to get to, and fast; that creates not few pacing issues at the beginning of it, unfortunately.

As for the chimera making man... the scene had such an impact back in the day by now it's kinda become a meme, and Arakawa was the first to make jokes of it, so I can hardly take it seriously by now... but yeah, it's a really good episode.
FWIW the guy does not kidnap anyone else, he just did the experiment twice, with the wife first, the daughter later.
It's been a long time since I watched the first series but IIRC it's no different from the original in that regard.

As for your last sentence, well, the author's comment in the first volume states that she wanted this story to have a "WTF, how does this even work" B movie feel to it, so I guess she nailed it with you.
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Old 06-25-2018, 01:05 PM
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Neat, that way you get the first chapters at a more adequate pace - Brotherhood blazes through the first few stories because it assumes you either watched the original anime or read the manga, and it had better stuff to get to, and fast; that creates not few pacing issues at the beginning of it, unfortunately.
The way I tend to put it is the first season of Brotherhood is the world's longest clip show. If you watched the original series you can just start at episode 13-14 or something like that and skip the whole first leg.
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Old 06-25-2018, 10:39 PM
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I have some thoughts about story structure going into the last episode of MEGALOBOX I want to put down somewhere.

I'm really excited for the last episode, because I think they've done something beautiful with the stakes here - they've basically removed them entirely. That's a weird move for your final episode, but that's where we're at; the threat of the gang is removed, the revelation of Joe's identity is safe, even the last possible actual threat - Yuri's gear - has been removed. All that's left is a fight, and even there the narrative has made it clear that the protagonist would be happy to lose so long as he pushes himself further.

That's INSANE in terms of plotting. Essentially the climax is already a denouement. But it's also super cool, because it's setting us up to ENJOY THE FIGHT. It's not about whether either of the characters will save the orphans or whatever - that's already done. It's not even about whether they will exceed themselves, because THAT'S DONE TOO. All that's left is for these two men to consummate their fighting relationship, without drama, without ulterior motives, without razzmatazz.

It's almost as if at the end of a romcom, you wind up with a prolonged loving sex scene that isn't simply prurient or pornographic - instead of hinting, or relying on "will they/won't they" or other cheap tactics for "drama." Instead, you're being invited to celebrate the actual thing itself rather than the accoutrements.

I'm curious to see how it turns out, and excited, but there's no cliffhanger here - and that's weirdly MORE exciting.


Of course, the show is also an anniversary celebration for Ashita No Joe, and we all know how that ends (I mean, I do, even though I've never seen it). I'm curious if this will mimic that arc, but I really doubt it will - and that's the most suspense there is going into this ending.

Pretty cool.
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Old 06-25-2018, 11:15 PM
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It seems like it's echoing an earlier arc of Joe's more than the ending. Yuri removing his gear is definitely a callback to Rikiya's intense and eventually fatal weight management that he goes through to fight Joe.
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Old 06-26-2018, 11:00 AM
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Neat, that way you get the first chapters at a more adequate pace - Brotherhood blazes through the first few stories because it assumes you either watched the original anime or read the manga, and it had better stuff to get to, and fast; that creates not few pacing issues at the beginning of it, unfortunately.
Having rewatched Brotherhood alongside the manga a few years back, for the most part it's less that it blazes and more that the 2003 anime did a lot of expanding and padding to stretch as much of the nearly 30 manga chapters they had available at the time. With two exceptions, the first 13-14 episodes of Brotherhood match the pacing of the manga.

(Exception #1 is the "priest in a desert town" thing, which got shortened because there's an original episode before it that does the job of establishing the main characters. Exception #2 is the Greed arc, which is more baffling when the 2003 series had changed it the most to introduce the OCs that would feature in its final act).
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Old 06-26-2018, 11:08 AM
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Following up on the earlier post, MEGALOBOX sheds plot contrivances towards its final episode the same way the boxers shed their gears. It's beautiful.
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Old 06-26-2018, 12:35 PM
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We finished watching This is Greenwood last night. I can kind of understand why the comedic parts are all that people remember. The romance that eats up the last two eps wasn't that good (imo).

Random thought that the yankii of the '80s became the moms of heroines from the late '90s and early aughts, i.e. Fruits Baskets' Tohru.
I approve of this headcanon.

Greenwood gives me warm fuzzy feelings, but admittedly it's been ages since I actually watched it.
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Following up on the earlier post, MEGALOBOX sheds plot contrivances towards its final episode the same way the boxers shed their gears. It's beautiful.
Perhaps a specific example of the broader theme: in the fight with Burroughs, Joe's gear falls away as the backstage dramatics resolve themselves.

For that matter, we see Mikio's gear gathering dust in a corner once his issue is resolved.
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Old 06-26-2018, 01:13 PM
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Also, Ed and Al are apparently 10 years old at this point and that's straining credibility just a bit more than everyone being insistent that there's nothing magical about being able to manipulate things at a molecular level by carving elaborate runes that fire off lightning.
IIRC, they're 12-13 during this arc? They were 10 when they tried to bring their mother back to life, and they spent two years training as apprentices under an alchemist who you'll see later in the show before heading into the big city to become State Alchemists.

Also, it's not that nobody is insistent that there's nothing magical about alchemy. It's more that the magic of alchemy has been thoroughly studied in this world, and its laws are fairly well explored and consistent. Instead of being completely hocus pocus, it's treated and explored like a scientific discipline. People who are ignorant of how alchemy works, still see it as magical and mystical (like the desert villagers in the first few episodes) and can be easily conned by skilled practitioners. But otherwise, think of alchemy in this show like a fantasy version of the Laws of Physics. We know what the laws are and we can tell you exactly how they're going to work almost all of the time. We can use their predictability and reliability to our advantage to create all kinds of crazy products of science. But nobody really knows why gravity is a property of mass or how it even fucking works.

Also, FMA'03 actually does a better job of exploring the underlying why and how alchemy is even a thing to begin with than Brotherhood, strangely enough. Brotherhood/the source comic falls down the typical shounen-trap of focusing in on a buildup to fight the big bad, and introducing way too many characters to pad out the story. FMA'03 is the concept and world with all the fat cut out, and focused more on the original conceit and journey of the Elric Brothers. Also, if you thought FMA'03 has tonal whiplash, wait until you hit Brotherhood which whips between chibi-antics and serious moments with the frequency of an 80s cartoon. FMA'03 is better than Brotherhood, fight me.

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I approve of this headcanon.
I watched this pretty recently, and I really liked the romance in it. It's really simple and rudimentary stuff. But I just like... the vibe I guess? The melancholic music, the lingering shots of people pining away for each other, the moments of quiet reflection accented with little outbursts of frustration, it's all delightfully retro and touches on an idea of romance that feels a little more earnest and realistic than your typical anime nonsense. It also helps that these are more feminine ideas of romance too, rather than the vast majority of anime-crap these days that are puerile, indulgent, brazen male fantasies. Like, the excitement and perspective of a girl who falls in love with someone who makes her feel good about herself, and is a breath of fresh air versus the cloying and restrictive relationship he's already in out of pure obligation is something you'd never see these days. The atmosphere it oozes is also the same romantic atmosphere you get out of the first season or so of Ranma 1/2 and Ocean Waves. And those are two of my most favorite things ever.
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Old 06-26-2018, 02:06 PM
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Yeah, I’m with you on the first FMA series being the superior version. Brotherhood, and I suppose the manga, adds way too many characters to the mix, and it’s just nothing but fights for the last dozen or so episodes. I think the way the two shows treat the deeper workings of homunculi and alchemy in general is very telling. The homunculi of the first series are figurative and literal sins of the alchemists who tried to conquer death, whereas in Brotherhood they’re merely cast off impurities of the first homonculus, who is maybe the most boring and one dimensional final villain I’ve seen in an action-adventure anime. The revelation that the energy used for alchemy is gained from the lives of people in “our” dimension is pretty silly, though.
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Old 06-26-2018, 02:21 PM
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I always thought the best way to watch FMA was to watch the original series though Lab 5 and Hughes’ murder then switch over to Brotherhood. The original series lets the plot and characters breath and develop so much better and fleshes out the motivations for the second half. I vastly prefer the overall plot after Lab 5 in Brotherhood to the original though - even with the cast ballooning to unreasonable levels.
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The revelation that the energy used for alchemy is gained from the lives of people in “our” dimension is pretty silly, though.
It's silly but I liked it. It was an attempt to both address the origins/fundamentals of alchemy*, as well as stay true to the themes of equivalent exchange/conservation of mass and energy. After a while, Brotherhood completely forgets the entire rule of equivalent exchange, which sacrifices much of the story's gravitas and weight. FMA'03 never forgets it and gives the show an ending that's much more tonally consistent with how it began.

*In a far less silly/stupid way than Brotherhood did. Apparently Father is a chunk of God? Cast off from God? And forget he was God? And he wants to kill God? And he ends up just going home instead? And the roots of how alchemy works to begin with are still completely mysterious/the purview of God?
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The first season of Ranma 1/2 is one of my favorites, too.

I did like how the entire Greenwood dorm, or maybe the entire school that Hasukawa attends, was his greek chorus and/or cheering squad. So silly.
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Perhaps a specific example of the broader theme: in the fight with Burroughs, Joe's gear falls away as the backstage dramatics resolve themselves.

For that matter, we see Mikio's gear gathering dust in a corner once his issue is resolved.
Yeah, exactly! It's funny - the show is a boxing anime with a twist, but it's final message is that it never needed the twist in the first place.
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The reason I care about FMA is primarily its extensive cast, so the 2003 anime lacking people like everyone from Xing, the two pairs of chimera soldiers, everyone from Briggs (Major General Armstrong!), Doctor Knox etc. is a huge blow to my ability to care about or enjoy it. The more minor a character is, the more I care about them being present. Additionally to the non-presences above, people just have more things to do and interact with in the manga/Brotherhood, with characterizations and roles that I usually vastly prefer, notably in the case of Bradley, Lust, Greed, Envy, Grand, Kimblee, Izumi, Marcoh, Scar, Ross, Barry and so on, to an extent that they often read as entirely different people. Even when that's not the case, the expanded roles and development characters are granted cast them in a different light even if foundationally they're similar to their other incarnation.

also i'm really glad hughes is in brotherhood comparatively less because i don't like him
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I've been on a bit of a giant robot gaming kick lately, between Into the Breach and Battletech, and it occurred to me that the mecha genre is a glaring omission in my (admittedly quite limited) anime experience.

So please help rectify that -- if I were to check out a mecha series or two, where should I start?

My preference would be to use the Netflix, Hulu, or Prime Video services I'm already paying for, but not to the point of being willing to waste time on mediocrities if they don't have the good stuff. None of them turned up much with a search for "mecha", but here are the series with giant robots on the covers that I noted in a quick scan through them: Expelled from Paradise, Gargantia, Aldnoah Zero, Kuromukuro, Robotech, and RahXephon (plus Darling in the Franxx, which I feel comfortable dismissing given the recent discussion here). Are any of those particularly great?

Thanks!
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