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Old 06-16-2017, 03:07 PM
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Just remember the basic rule.

I before E, except after C, or unless it's sounded like A, as in 'neighbor' or 'weigh'

*quietly nudges the word 'weird' under the rug*
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That's neither here nor there. But it might be their.
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Old 06-16-2017, 04:08 PM
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The rule I was taught for weird was "And weird is weird." Or any other way of saying that weird is the perfect word for breaking this rule.
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I can't believe you all categorize spelling rule exceptions as a leisure activity
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Old 06-16-2017, 04:25 PM
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ah, of course. seize the day, as they say
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There are more exceptions to "i before e" than there are conformities.
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Such as when Neil Raleigh's eight feisty neighbors heinously seized their sufficiently weighty heifers' keisters.
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I take it you already know
Of tough and bough and cough and dough?
Others may stumble, but not you
On hiccough, thorough, laugh and through?
Well done! And now you wish perhaps
To learn of less familiar traps?

Beware of heard, a dreadful word
That looks like beard and sounds like bird;
And dead: it’s said like bed, not bead —
For goodness sake don’t call it ‘deed’.
Watch out for meat and great and threat.
They rhyme with suite and straight and debt.

A moth is not a moth in mother,
nor both in bother, broth in brother,
And here is not a match for there
Nor dear and fear for bear and pear,
And then there’s dose and rose and lose —
Just look them up — and goose and choose.

And cord and work and card and ward,
And font and front and word and sword,
And do and go and thwart and cart —
Come come, I’ve hardly made a start!
A dreadful language? Man alive,
I’d mastered it when I was five!
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Just remember the basic rule.

I before E, except after C, or unless it's sounded like A, as in 'neighbor' or 'weigh'

*quietly nudges the word 'weird' under the rug*
Or sounded as "ee," as in weird or caffeine, or sounded as "aye," as in feisty or height, or sounded as "yuh" as in ancient or concierge, or... (reading wikipedia) Zootheism is a thing? Huh. I mean, oh. Yeah.
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:58 PM
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Or sounded as "ee," as in weird or caffeine, or sounded as "aye," as in feisty or height, or sounded as "yuh" as in ancient or concierge, or... (reading wikipedia) Zootheism is a thing? Huh. I mean, oh. Yeah.
Whoa, I've never heard the 'yuh' sound you're referring to. I've pretty much always heard ancient as "ain-chent" or "ain-cie-ent", and concierge exclusively as "con-cie-air-jjj".
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Old 06-17-2017, 09:36 AM
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Warning: Not a linguist, take this with a grain of salt, etc.

The problem with the "I before E" rule seems to be that a lot of words featuring that letter pairing come from different roots with different phonetical rules. Like "theism" for instance. As a Latin or Greek root (can't recall which) where both of the vowels make a distinct sound, they're necessarily going to flout the rule, which seems designed for words where the two make a single sound. Meanwhile words like "pierce" have a different linguistic root, where the I and the E together do make a single sound, and therefore follow the rule. "Weird", meanwhile, may come from a different root still, with yet different phonetical rules.

On top of all that, the consistent, formalized spelling of words in English is a relatively recent phenomenon. A lot of these spellings were most likely accepted as correct before the rules like "I before E" that we teach kids today were dreamed up.

Long story short, we're dealing with a weird mongrel language. Take an Anglo-Saxon base from over a thousand years ago, mash it clumsily together with Norman French, and let that stew for a bit. Then, later on, decide that what it really needs is to have its grammar rearranged based on Latin. And as centuries pass, keep on borrowing words from whatever other languages are handy, regardless of the grammatical contortions necessary to make them fit.

I mean, for fuck's sake, you only have to look at the perfectly true statement "English is the modern world's lingua franca" to see how much of our language is influenced by borrowing and the normalization (by the passage of time) of borrowed words that do not actually fit. No set of rules is going to apply consistently.
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Old 06-17-2017, 01:35 PM
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Like "theism" for instance. As a Latin or Greek root (can't recall which)
Greek, but what you said still applies to "deism," which is Latin.
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Old 06-17-2017, 04:18 PM
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Whoa, I've never heard the 'yuh' sound you're referring to. I've pretty much always heard ancient as "ain-chent" or "ain-cie-ent", and concierge exclusively as "con-cie-air-jjj".
Well, they're deprecated dipthongs, which is the name of my jazz fusion band.
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