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Old 06-21-2017, 12:20 PM
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I think they could have gone with Sami. He could have declared his title match ahead of time, the honorable thing to do, and Jinder gets the opportunity to cheat like hell to win and screw Sami out of his MITB shot. The only problem is they sort of did that already, yeah?
I think Sami could get away with a surprise cash-in if KO had the title. Tbh I wanted KO to be the one pushing the ladder down because he didn't give a shit about the Nakamura history and then see Sami and get distracted. Sami has a permanent taunt on KO.
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Old 06-21-2017, 12:25 PM
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Yeah, Sami and KO are destined to be Tito and Martel or Shawn and Marty. They'll be getting pops for throwing down in Rumbles ten years from now when no one will remember why.
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Old 06-22-2017, 12:57 PM
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Okay, watched SD and while Gable / Owens was fun (and apparently Owens was basically working on one leg without showing any sign of it - professional), Nak / Dolph FINALLY figured out how to have a great match. Best match I've seen this week (didn't love Ohno / Black), and given LU is basically four squashes again I suspect it'll stay that way.
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Old 06-22-2017, 01:08 PM
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Okay, watched SD and while Gable / Owens was fun (and apparently Owens was basically working on one leg without showing any sign of it - professional), Nak / Dolph FINALLY figured out how to have a great match. Best match I've seen this week (didn't love Ohno / Black), and given LU is basically four squashes again I suspect it'll stay that way.
I haven't finished the episode yet, but Nak/Dolph felt like a PPV caliber match. I really enjoyed it.
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Old 06-22-2017, 02:11 PM
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HOLY SHIT.

Mauro's WWE contract is still valid, and I guess they couldn't come to terms on a release, so... guess who's the new NXT PBP guy?

(I *think* that means he's probably on the mic for the women's tournament as well.)

NXT tapes tomorrow, with a Roode vs Strong match as the main event. I can't remember if it's for the title or not.
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Old 06-22-2017, 02:19 PM
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HOLY SHIT.

Mauro's WWE contract is still valid, and I guess they couldn't come to terms on a release, so... guess who's the new NXT PBP guy?

(I *think* that means he's probably on the mic for the women's tournament as well.)

NXT tapes tomorrow, with a Roode vs Strong match as the main event. I can't remember if it's for the title or not.
Huh, that's ... something! I wonder if that's just through August (when I think the contract is up) or if they will work something out that will be cool longterm.

I mean, no matter how much they all say otherwise, I'm still pretty sure the issue was JBL being a cock. I feel like Mauro could work fine anywhere else than Smackdown.
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Old 06-22-2017, 02:31 PM
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I can't imagine that Mauro wouldn't be happy to just call NXT matches with Nigel once or twice a month, and it'd lessen Phillips' workload. He specifically called it a "new" agreement on Instagram, so who knows if it's actually a completely reworked contract (probably is, as I can't imagine WWE would want to pay him his old salary if he's only doing that).
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Old 06-22-2017, 02:50 PM
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Any course of action that brings us closer to a Brawl for All shoot match between JBL and Bas Rutten with Mauro on a forklift is a good one, In My Opinion.
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Old 06-23-2017, 07:19 AM
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Japanese deathmatch forefather Mr. Pogo has passed away at the age of 66. Go light some shit on fire and cut a dude up with a sickle in his memory.
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Old 06-23-2017, 08:35 AM
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I thought he was in the Bath House Deathmatch, but, sadly, so.

Not that it'll stop my from linking to the Bath House Deathmatch.



(Mauro's deal has been confirmed to be a new, multi-year deal. HHH is not a stupid man.)
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Old 06-23-2017, 08:58 AM
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Cool match I forgot happened department: ROH just posted KENTA / Misawa from 2009:



Misawa wins with the move my e-fed character used as a finisher in 2000ish.
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Old 06-23-2017, 05:06 PM
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HOLY SHIT.

Mauro's WWE contract is still valid, and I guess they couldn't come to terms on a release, so... guess who's the new NXT PBP guy?

(I *think* that means he's probably on the mic for the women's tournament as well.)

NXT tapes tomorrow, with a Roode vs Strong match as the main event. I can't remember if it's for the title or not.
That is good yo know. Mauro was literally one of the reasons I enjoyed SD more than RAW so seeing him get replaced by Byron was not only disappointing but tf we're they thinking?! Almost stopped watching SD because of the stupid shakeup. Even if he's only in NXT it'll make that program that much better.
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Old 06-23-2017, 08:25 PM
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As little as I like JBL, and there are for sure times he alone has made me want to turn off SD, I think Tom has done a pretty decent job on play by play.
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Old 06-26-2017, 08:57 AM
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Tom's certainly getting there, although he doesn't mesh with anyone as well as he does Graves. Graves is just funnier dressing him down than JBL is, I guess (see: Graves losing his shit on poor Tom when Tom dared to question why Roode needed eight women to escort him to the ring at a Takeover).
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Old 07-05-2017, 01:44 PM
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Here's Omega / Ishii from the NJPW US show this weekend:



(Excellent match, but not up to what I'd expect from both guys. Just don't think it's a great stylistic match.)

And here's Bucks / RPG Vice, which is a great spotfest:



And because this happened, here's Tanahashi defending the IC title against Billy Gunn



(No one seems to have uploaded the TJP / Swann match from 205 Live last night, which I've seen rated at **** in most places.)
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Old 07-05-2017, 01:51 PM
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Oh, and Okada / CODY from the night before, which along with Elgin / Omega saved a pretty terrible first night:



(I love how Cody was a super-face to the ROH PPV crowd, as it was full of Bullet Club marks, but then he went to the NJPW show and it was full of those same fans but now they were booing him. No idea what the heck that was about.)

As a general comment: the NJPW show clearly used some of the ROH production crew, because the show visually resembled that ROH production style (lot of shots from the floor cameras) that I generally don't like. I get why they do that - smaller arenas don't lend themselves to great shots from the hard camera - but I thought it felt wrong for NJPW, the company who does shows by just setting up one hard camera and never cutting away a lot of the time.

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(If that doesn't cause AV to both explode in joy and collapse in terror I don't know what will.)



("It's awesome here, I just have to pose a couple of times, hit a knee, and they pay me big money!")
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Old 07-05-2017, 03:04 PM
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(If that doesn't cause AV to both explode in joy and collapse in terror I don't know what will.)



("It's awesome here, I just have to pose a couple of times, hit a knee, and they pay me big money!")
On the one hand, it's a beautiful dream coming true.

On the other, material support of fascism.
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Old 07-05-2017, 04:17 PM
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Tom's certainly getting there, although he doesn't mesh with anyone as well as he does Graves. Graves is just funnier dressing him down than JBL is, I guess (see: Graves losing his shit on poor Tom when Tom dared to question why Roode needed eight women to escort him to the ring at a Takeover).
Given how good Graves is getting and how terrible JBL has always been, I don't see that as an indictment on Tom.
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Old 07-10-2017, 09:57 AM
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GBOF was a decent, fun show. All the matches ended about how I expected. Wish I could have seen the actual finish to the throwaway match, but that's a small gripe. Also, there seemed to be more blood on this show than all of WWE over the last few years combined (aside from the Orton hardway)
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Old 07-10-2017, 10:32 AM
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I think the Hardys would just be happier to never be in the ring with Sheamus again. This one wasn't Sheamus' fault from the GIFs I saw, but... yeeowch.

I only saw the main (picked it up right when Joe put Brock through the table before the match), which was what I wanted: brief, intense, and violent.

Meltzer said on the podcast last night that literally no one backstage knows if Roman's attempted vehicular homicide means he's a heel now. At the very least, it might mean Braun vs Brock is now the SummerSlam match, which would be them going back to their original plans.
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Old 07-10-2017, 04:29 PM
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I mean, it wouldn't be the first time someone was face after trying to run someone over ...

It was a decent PPV. The tag match was my match of the night. The accidental blood really added to it, but it was a great match before that. I wish Cole had called out the blind tag BEFORE Cesaro ran in at the end because I sure missed it.

I'm pretty worried what the hell happens to Enzo now. You can totally tell that they see Cass as an old-school big man, kind of like Nash in his Prime.

E: Maybe the best criticism I've heard of the show is how damn boring all the PPV sets are now. Imagine this show in the early/mid 2000s with a full "drive-in" setup, making the titantron look like a movie screen and putting a bunch of old convertibles on the stage. We've fallen a lot since the days of the giant electric chairs and full graveyards.

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Old 07-11-2017, 09:53 AM
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This week's classic Observer is a must-read, as it's the June 19 2000 issue - the split between Misawa and Mrs. Baba that wound up creating NOAH and ultimately saw AJPW crumble into dust.

Plus, Great American Bash 2000, with the ill-fated Goldberg heel turn. Plus the acknowledgement of something we were talking about a while ago, as the WWF bans head-dropping moves in response to the Malenko / Scotty 2 Hotty finish.
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Old 07-11-2017, 10:27 AM
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2000 was a sick year in terms of in-ring quality from the WWE.
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Old 07-11-2017, 11:01 AM
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2000 was a sick year in terms of in-ring quality from the WWE.
Yup. I think the next PPV in the Observers will be Fully Loaded, which has Benoit / Rock in a GREAT match and Jericho / HHH Last Man Standing (my personal favourite match of theirs) on top. And it's, like, barely in the top five of shows for the year.

(That show is also notable because I think it was Trish's big in-ring debut, which of course wound up being more important a couple years later once she got better trained. That was around the time Lita was getting nuclear heat, too.)
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Wish I could have seen the actual finish to the throwaway match, but that's a small gripe.
I'd like to see it, too, but at least we know how it ended.
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Old 07-12-2017, 09:03 AM
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(That show is also notable because I think it was Trish's big in-ring debut, which of course wound up being more important a couple years later once she got better trained. That was around the time Lita was getting nuclear heat, too.)
Trish and Lita helped inspire the wave of US indie joshi-style wrestlers that gave us Bayley et al, and I think very well of them.

Unrelated: 2000 was where Aitch perfected the art of being a good worker who only did matches with generationally great workers who knew how to make him look fantastic. Also my quarterly reminder that the only Royce Gracie put someone over better than Mick Foley did Aitch in 2000.
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Old 07-13-2017, 05:18 PM
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I unironically hope this Miz-tourage gimmick to get those guys over. I always thought Bo was better than he was being used, and Axel might not be great but I did like his brief "better than perfect" thing

And, yeah, sure looks like they are just going to let Roman get away with trying to murder a guy. I was expecting a "suspension" or something for at least a couple of weeks.
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Old 07-13-2017, 07:56 PM
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Trish and Lita helped inspire the wave of US indie joshi-style wrestlers that gave us Bayley et al, and I think very well of them.

Unrelated: 2000 was where Aitch perfected the art of being a good worker who only did matches with generationally great workers who knew how to make him look fantastic. Also my quarterly reminder that the only Royce Gracie put someone over better than Mick Foley did Aitch in 2000.
Point the first, and related:



Point the second: I think HHH was helped more than anyone else by Russo leaving, which meant that he got to work a style that was much more to his tastes / talents (a heavier version of Flair) than Russo's high-pace, all-brawling style that Austin and Foley took to so well.

I mean, sure, he kicked off the grand reinvention with the best brawl in WWF/E history, but that was all Foley. By the time the Rock feud reached its apex in April and May, they'd yoked the main event style into basically what it's been ever since.
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Old 07-13-2017, 08:13 PM
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Names of note from the Mae Young Classic wrestlers:

- Serena Deeb (breaking continuity by showing up with hair)
- Rachel Evers nee Ellering (the last name is of course a rib on Lance Storm)
- Kay Lee Ray, who I'm actually surprised they didn't sign on the spot
- Tessa Blanchard, unsurprisingly.
- Has Lacey Evans made NXT TV yet? Anyway, I'm guessing she at least makes the semis.
- Shayna Baszler! That could be fun down the line. Especially because....




- Sarah Logan is Crazy Mary Dobson's non-crazy alter ego
- Kimber Lee has been re-named Abbey Laith
- Jazzy Gabert is the Alpha Female, who I seem to recall got booked against Gabi Garcia in an MMA match last NYE?

And of course Kairi Sane, nee Hojo. Wearing a PIMP hat.

(Before you ask, no, Marina Strong is not in the field (she was there along with the last member of the Horsewomen whose name no one ever remembers). She's still too busy thinking of ways to kill Bobby Roode I imagine.)

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Old 07-15-2017, 07:56 PM
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Definitely not feeling Battleground at all. It then again it is the cooldown ppv before SummerSlam (or something) but still, unless Orton accidentally falls and impales himself on one of the poles or something the high point will, predictably, be the Styles KO rematch. I can't even say "At least it's not a (insert worse match gimmick here)" cuz I don't think there is something more boring than watch two exhausted guys trying to climb out of two cages. One cage can be entertaining but two?? Maybe they'll let them set the cage on fire...
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