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Old 09-24-2016, 06:01 PM
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The NuTrek movies are full of subtle, loving, intelligent nods to the old shows/films that are classy and fun to find. Unfortunately the broad strokes of the plot are written by lemurs.
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Old 09-24-2016, 07:06 PM
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Be nicer to lemurs, they're gentle souls and do not deserve such abuse.
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Old 09-24-2016, 09:55 PM
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Smugly eating an apple is hilarious.
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Old 09-24-2016, 09:57 PM
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Yoooo — I just realized that in Star Trek II Kirk is eating an apple as he talks about his Kobayashi Maru experience, and NuKirk eats an apple while cheating at Kobayashi Maru in Trek '09. That's a rad and subtle callback!
Don't give them too much credit. According to the director's commentary, that was just a coincidence.
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Old 09-24-2016, 09:59 PM
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Don't give them too much credit. According to the director's commentary, that was just a coincidence.
It's ok. See my above comment.

Alt joke: Landru works in mysterious ways.
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Old 09-25-2016, 05:38 AM
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Don't give them too much credit. According to the director's commentary, that was just a coincidence.
That's fine. So many of the best things I create happen by coincidence also.
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Old 09-26-2016, 05:38 AM
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That's fine. So many of the best things I create happen by coincidence also.
I thought you didn't have kids yet?
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Old 09-26-2016, 03:42 PM
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In Wink of an Eye the Usual Chuckleheads are called in to help a planet whose population is down to... Like... Five. But they show up and nobody's around, so they leave. The Kirk and Some Guy disappear. Turns out the population wasn't missing, but the mysterious disaster that killed off their population also caused them to start living at relativistic speeds. And also become sterile, so now they have to kidnap people and speed THEM up until they're stuck in the Fast Zone and then make babies out of them.

If everyone is sterile, I don't know how taking non-fast people for Baby Fodder would really help...

Anyway, the Fast Aliens have put a death trap on the Enterprise that will kersplode it, and then when someone comes to help, they'll have more potential parents to help rebuild their population.

Kirk says "NOTHING DOING" with regard to mating with an alien connected to the Speed Force (as this is Star Trek, she is, naturally, a beautiful woman with implausible clothing), and leaves a warning for the crew about the bomb which Spock decodes with a shocking leap of logic (he realizes that if you speed up any message enough it turns into a hum, and that therefor the humming he's been hearing has been Kirk warning everyone about Super Fast Aliens).

Spock speeds himself up, and with Kirk, they dismantle the bomb, kick the aliens off the ship and fix all the damage that was done throughout the episode and Spock also finds a cure for Fast.

And as for the super fast aliens? Well... Screw them. Let their entire civilization vanish. They were jerks.
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Old 09-26-2016, 03:56 PM
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Not a single Sonic reference. Octo I don't know whether to be impressed or disappointed.
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Old 09-28-2016, 08:39 AM
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Wow, Star Trek V works a lot better if the original TV series is fresh in your mind. It's a poor follow-up to the preceding films, but feels very much like an extension of the television show. Both for better and for worse.

Just one more movie and my complete watch-through of all original series visual media will be complete. I feel so fancy.
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Old 09-28-2016, 08:41 AM
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Star Trek TNG is 29 years old today.
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Old 09-28-2016, 08:43 AM
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Star Trek TNG is 29 years old today.
Ah, yes. I remember the feeling of overwhelming... oddness... Farpoint induced.
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Old 09-28-2016, 08:51 AM
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Star Trek TNG is 29 years old today.
Have a party, TNG!

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Old 09-28-2016, 09:30 AM
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Wow, Star Trek V works a lot better if the original TV series is fresh in your mind. It's a poor follow-up to the preceding films, but feels very much like an extension of the television show. Both for better and for worse.
So you're saying it feels like a lost season 3 episode?
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Old 09-28-2016, 10:48 AM
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So you're saying it feels like a lost season 3 episode?
All that was missing was Kirk having sex with the triple-breasted cat-woman.
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Old 09-28-2016, 01:44 PM
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All that was missing was Kirk having sex with the triple-breasted cat-woman.
check the deleted scenes!
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Old 09-28-2016, 02:27 PM
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I want to believe... that's a joke.
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Old 09-28-2016, 02:28 PM
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I want to believe... that's a joke.
I made it as such. But I dont want to check and ruin it.
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Old 09-28-2016, 02:59 PM
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Wow, Star Trek V works a lot better if the original TV series is fresh in your mind. It's a poor follow-up to the preceding films, but feels very much like an extension of the television show. Both for better and for worse.

Just one more movie and my complete watch-through of all original series visual media will be complete. I feel so fancy.
Well we've seen Kirk destroy gods. Here we see him dismantle the whole concept of religion!

This is the "voyager" of the movies. Great premise, the execution is flawed.
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Old 09-28-2016, 05:18 PM
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Anyway, on to Star Trek VI. I watched the first half today. It's still so good; the reaaaaally obvious end-of-Cold-War metaphor could date the film, but given the current political climate it all feels sort of... wistful? Remember how the dismantling of the Berlin Wall seemed like everything was going to be OK? Except it wasn't.

More positively, I didn't realize Janice Rand went on to be an Excelsior crew member under Sulu! That's so great!

Also, I noticed in the opening credits that a woman with the last name "Slater" was the casting director. Which... maybe explains how a certain cameo came to be.
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Old 09-28-2016, 06:11 PM
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She is also the casting director of b5!
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Old 09-28-2016, 06:12 PM
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I just watched the DS9 episode "Destiny". There's a scene where O'Brien realizes that Cardassians flirt through argument.

Suddenly all of Dukat's interest in Kira came into stark relief.
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Old 09-28-2016, 06:15 PM
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I just watched the DS9 episode "Destiny". There's a scene where O'Brien realizes that Cardassians flirt through argument.

Suddenly all of Dukat's interest in Kira came into stark relief.
Marc Alaimo is so oily.
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Old 09-28-2016, 06:31 PM
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I've been saying for years, and only half in jest - Star Trek V is the best Star Trek movie. It's clearly not the best movie in Star Trek, but it's the single best film at capturing the tone of the original series. Just like the TV show, it's hamfisted, weird, corny as hell, has laughable fist fights, and doesn't give two shits about canon. But it's got a decent emotional core, FANTASTIC character development between the main trio, and they beat god with logic and torpedo blasts to the face. So choice. It's criminally underappreciated.
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Old 09-28-2016, 07:46 PM
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All of the dumb stuff lobbed at The Motion Picture was one of my first wedges as far as putting real stock in nerd meme opinions. I wonder if I shouldn't give Final Frontier a rewatch in that context.


The Canon's most recent podcast was about The Wrath of Khan. It wasn't a very good episode, since the pro-canonization side didn't offer a great defense of it, even though I think it definitely belongs in the canon. *Amy Nicholson's* negative take wasn't very coherent either. She did have one point that stuck with me, though, which is how Captain Terell sacrifices himself in a flat mid-distance shot that's immediately overshadowed by the body horror of the worm crawling out of Checkov's ear. It's a legitimate knock against the craft of a film that has a reputation for being particularly well-crafted. Terell's sacrifice is certainly noble in its way, and ties into the film's larger themes, and there's an argument to be made that that section of the film could have been scripted or shot in such a way to lend that act more significance.

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Old 09-29-2016, 04:18 AM
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I just watched the DS9 episode "Destiny". There's a scene where O'Brien realizes that Cardassians flirt through argument.

Suddenly all of Dukat's interest in Kira came into stark relief.
I don't know how much you've seen, but it gets worse...
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Old 09-29-2016, 07:12 AM
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All of the dumb stuff lobbed at The Motion Picture was one of my first wedges as far as putting real stock in nerd meme opinions. I wonder if I shouldn't give Final Frontier a rewatch in that context.


The Canon's most recent podcast was about The Wrath of Khan. It wasn't a very good episode, since the pro-canonization side didn't offer a great defense of it, even though I think it definitely belongs in the canon. Aimee Mann's negative take wasn't very coherent either. She did have one point that stuck with me, though, which is how Captain Terell sacrifices himself in a flat mid-distance shot that's immediately overshadowed by the body horror of the worm crawling out of Checkov's ear. It's a legitimate knock against the craft of a film that has a reputation for being particularly well-crafted. Terell's sacrifice is certainly noble in its way, and ties into the film's larger themes, and there's an argument to be made that that section of the film could have been scripted or shot in such a way to lend that act more significance.
I love the Canon. But she is Amy Nicholson. :P
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Old 09-29-2016, 07:28 AM
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Whoops. I was a couple drinks into the evening when I posted that.
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Old 09-29-2016, 10:02 AM
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Star Trek VI is done, and with it my journey through the entirety of the classic-era cast. God help me, I got a little choked up as the Enterprise vanished into the light of a distant sun. It's been a great if uneven journey, and I've come out of it a little wiser, a lot better-versed in Trek, and 30 pounds lighter.

Tomorrow: Onward to Farpoint Station.
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Old 09-29-2016, 09:01 PM
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Oof, Undiscovered Country into Encounter at Farpoint? That's... a bit of a gear shift.
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