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Old 09-10-2012, 01:32 PM
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They're wearing armor under their exposed skin?
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Old 09-10-2012, 06:16 PM
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I like how almost all the Dark Elves and Korean MMO girls have a specific handy opening in their armor from belly button to neck, exposing almost all major critical organs to harm. Battle-ready!
My favorite instance of that style was from the D&D novel Azure Bonds, where the protagonist is forced to wear this armour:



She even remarks on just how impractical it is (but later books retcon it into being magical armour that protects the exposed spot with a forcefield ).
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:14 PM
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See, I always just assumed armor like that worked with magnets.

Or magic, setting dependent.
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:17 PM
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See, I always just assumed armor like that worked with magnets.

Or magic, setting dependent.
The insane clown posse song about magnets has ceased to be a "thing" now, right?

I don't have to imply that magnets and magic are the same thing anymore, right?
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:27 PM
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Yea... I was running under the belief that we could bury that.
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Old 09-13-2012, 02:41 AM
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Someone posted this little gem in the the wrong thread!



The fighter just looks so uncomfortable around these people.
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Old 09-13-2012, 11:17 AM
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That was my first strat guide. Man I miss that book.
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Old 09-13-2012, 11:18 AM
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King's Quest doesn't start off that way at all! Where's Sir Graham?
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:59 PM
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That was my first strat guide. Man I miss that book.
Then you should go check out the thread!
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Old 09-13-2012, 06:01 PM
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King's Quest doesn't start off that way at all! Where's Sir Graham?
Buried under the Swarthy Hog Inn.
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Old 09-30-2012, 07:41 PM
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Here's a cool Tumblr, showing how D&D's art has evolved over the years.

And by evolved I mean go hardcore.
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Old 09-30-2012, 08:20 PM
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Here's a cool Tumblr, showing how D&D's art has evolved over the years.
"Otyugh"...

"Otyugh"...

...holy crap, is that what Square stole to make the Ochu?
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Old 09-30-2012, 08:39 PM
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Yeah, I would bet dollars to donuts.

Zef, what you forget is that FF1 is secretly the best D&D game on the NES.

I'm sure Ochu's smell a bit better, at least...
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Old 09-30-2012, 08:43 PM
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"Otyugh"...

"Otyugh"...

...holy crap, is that what Square stole to make the Ochu?
Seems pretty likely to me! Actually, oddly enough I was just talking about Otyughs. The party in the game I'm running is looking into getting a sewer system installed in a town they're spending some time in. It's in the desert though, and pretty far inland, so they don't really have any drainage. I suggested they look into finding an otyugh and cutting a deal.

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Here's a cool Tumblr, showing how D&D's art has evolved over the years.

And by evolved I mean go hardcore.
Yeah, it was interesting looking through that trying to work out if they were trying to show off how things are so much more awesome in 4e, or trying to make a comment on how 4e art is all "Dark and Edgey and Badass!" in wistful nostalgic fashion. Results are honestly kinda inconclusive, but I think it's mostly the former? Also, it'd be nice if they did more of these like the owlbear one. Also, WTF happened here?
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Old 09-30-2012, 08:44 PM
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Yeah, the wholesale Monster Manual ripoff is widely known, but I thought Ochus were an original creation

I didn't expect the Catoblepas (original version) to be a ripoff too. Especially since it was a lizard in most games until FFV swiped it off the Manual.

Re: the comparison tumblr. Is it me, or is the original Xorn a lot creepier than the new one? And why the heck would you try to make a Beholder "edgier"?
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Old 09-30-2012, 09:26 PM
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Because it's D&D4. There was this very specific "Dungeon Punk" sort of look and attitude they were trying to infuse into the game to attract a specific audience. Everything's gotta be all spiky and badass and leering at you with menace.

I realize it probably comes off like I'm being contemptuous there or something, but I'm not. There was a very very specific image they wanted to go for to rebrand the game, and generally, they did a pretty great job of hitting it.

Older editions were kind of all over the map on art direction for the most part, which, for the game as a whole, I kinda prefer (variety, not especially favoring any particular default aesthetic), but for specific settings, the consistent look and feel thing is really nice. A big part of why everyone loves Planescape so darn much is that it has such a distinct and exotic look with all the crazy art after all.
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Old 09-30-2012, 09:56 PM
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Here's a cool Tumblr, showing how D&D's art has evolved over the years.

And by evolved I mean go hardcore.
Most, not all, of new D&D has a serious case of the Shin Megami Tensei IV's. heeheehee
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:07 PM
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Most, not all, of new D&D has a serious case of the Shin Megami Tensei IV's. heeheehee
It would only close the loop, since Kanako seems to have had a serious case of the D&D when designing [Quetzal]coatl.
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:13 PM
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Seems pretty likely to me! Actually, oddly enough I was just talking about Otyughs.
What I want to know is why WotC doesn't consider the bugger 'Product Identity' like they do with the Beholder and Mind Flayer. As far as I know, it was created whole cloth for D&D back in the day.
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:16 PM
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What I want to know is why WotC doesn't consider the bugger 'Product Identity' like they do with the Beholder and Mind Flayer. As far as I know, it was created whole cloth for D&D back in the day.
Because they're poop eating tentacle monsters?

If they were less generally embarrassing I'm sure they'd have them locked down.
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Old 10-01-2012, 10:28 AM
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Because it's D&D4. There was this very specific "Dungeon Punk" sort of look and attitude they were trying to infuse into the game to attract a specific audience. Everything's gotta be all spiky and badass and leering at you with menace.
But then the semiotic message comes across as "everything in the monster manual is going to want to fight you" which shouldn't be the case at all. Some things should be statted up out of a sense of completeness rather than whatever XP reward you get for defeating them. Take the Rakshasa or Dryad, for example. They can be antagonistic, but they shouldn't be itching for a fight.
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:24 PM
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This is true, and that dryad belongs in this thread, but that's the main issue I have with D&D4 in general, not just something limited to the art direction. Anyway, I don't want to get into an edition war up in here, so let's find more art to pick on. Here's more from Exalted!



Gotta love when people use that weird "If I don't draw the nipples, it doesn't count!" logic, and then they go ahead and draw exagerated outlines of nipples. But they aren't shaded, so this is totally work safe, right?

Also, the leaping girl in the background has boobs measurably larger than her own head, we can see what I hope is just underwear down in the foreground, but there's no waistband anywhere (seriously, how is her butt flap attached to the rest of her clothes here?), but I think my favorite thing about this is the dude on the left. At first I thought he was just standing there, all badly drawn, but then I noticed his feet aren't touching the ground, and there's speed lines down there. I think that guy half buried in the hill there just caber tossed him, or something.

Also, you know what this thread is sorely missing?

Kevin Siembieda penis lasers!



Seriously. Someone else with the strength of character to admit they own a few Rifts books back me up on this. Dude does this all the freaking time. If he's drawing you, you're male, and you've got robot legs, you get a crotch mounted laser. Not just in the art, it's in the stat block. This here cyborg centaur totally can and will rear up and melt your face off with his MDC junk. And there are so many other examples I could show you if I wasn't too lazy to fire up my scanner.

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Old 10-01-2012, 03:42 PM
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Take the Rakshasa or Dryad, for example. They can be antagonistic, but they shouldn't be itching for a fight.
Is it just me, or is the 2nd edition Rakshasa about a million times more badass than the 4th edition version? Sure, the 4th edition guy is clearly spoiling for a fight, with his bared fangs and his sword, but there's not much to distinguish him from any other humanoid monster. Meanwhile, that 2nd edition Rakshasa is dapper as all hell, while still conveying the impression that he will fuck your shit up if you give him enough reason.
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Seriously. Someone else with the strength of character to admit they own a few Rifts books back me up on this. Dude does this all the freaking time. If he's drawing you, you're male, and you've got robot legs, you get a crotch mounted laser. Not just in the art, it's in the stat block. This here cyborg centaur totally can and will rear up and melt your face off with his MDC junk. And there are so many other examples I could show you if I wasn't too lazy to fire up my scanner.
But I need to see these lasers!
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:54 PM
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And by evolved I mean go hardcore.
I miss Tony DiTerlizzi
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Old 10-01-2012, 04:13 PM
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Is it just me, or is the 2nd edition Rakshasa about a million times more badass than the 4th edition version? Sure, the 4th edition guy is clearly spoiling for a fight, with his bared fangs and his sword, but there's not much to distinguish him from any other humanoid monster. Meanwhile, that 2nd edition Rakshasa is dapper as all hell, while still conveying the impression that he will fuck your shit up if you give him enough reason.
what i want to know is where the fuck they got the idea that rakshasas are cat demons. in indian myths, the word literally just means 'demon', and they take all sorts of forms.
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Old 10-01-2012, 04:14 PM
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what i want to know is where the fuck they got the idea that rakshasas are cat demons. in indian myths, the word literally just means 'demon', and they take all sorts of forms.
My guess is the same thinking that turned Shiva into a scantily clad blue ice lady?
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what i want to know is where the fuck they got the idea that rakshasas are cat demons. in indian myths, the word literally just means 'demon', and they take all sorts of forms.
Excuse me, they're not just cat demons, they're cat demons who are masters of illusion. How can we say for certain that the mythical rakshasas aren't actually cat demons who are magically disguised to look like other beings? Now, if you can point to a documented instance of a mythological being casing True Sight in the presence of a rakshasa, and revealing it to be something other than a humanoid tiger thing, I'll readily accept the proposition that D&D's crack research teams got this one wrong, and that rakshasas are general-purpose demons.
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what i want to know is where the fuck they got the idea that rakshasas are cat demons. in indian myths, the word literally just means 'demon', and they take all sorts of forms.
From the same place they got the Demon vs Devil dichotomy.
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From the same place they got the Demon vs Devil dichotomy.
So out of their ass?
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