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Old 08-16-2018, 07:46 AM
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Dude, Ample, you need to step back reassess this discussion. Madhair expressed concern and displeasure at a national accent being mocked in a mean-spirited joke made by a massive media conglomerate from entirely outside that country. It's a fair complaint, and a lot of other people found it in poor taste, too. It's absolutely a "punching down" joke and we don't have to reneg all discourse on racism to acknowledge that.

Scots may have benefited materially from British imperialism, but Appalachian and Southern whites have also benefited from American white supremacy. But to lump them all in together and say "tough titties, you're white, get over it" completely ignores all of the historical, economical and political levels of power imbalance present between those populations. Ireland was part of Great Britain during the height of its empire too, but to argue that they're open season because they benefited would be insane, what with the whole "committing economic genocide via the potato famine" thing. Even today, Scotland is in an inferior position within Britain, having voted against Brexit overwhelmingly and getting dragged along anyway.

And besides, "White isn't a race" is something we're constantly trying to hammer home (even if our privilege lets us benefit from whiteness all the while, but that's a largely American/Western European phenomenon). Scots are still a different ethnicity than Anglo-Saxons and Germans and Swedes and Slavs and so on. Racism between "white" people is a huge problem in England and elsewhere. Polish people are being discriminated against and deported in England alongside Pakistanis.

If there's one complaint about Madhair's original post, it's that this joke may not count specifically as "racist" because it's by white people, at other white people, but (even that is debatable because it could still be described as mirroring systemic power structure oppression of one group by another). But even if it's not, that doesn't negate the fact that it's a mean spirited joke punching down at a nationality by people who don't even have a stake in that nation. And bigotry from one white group to another doesn't negate the harms of white supremacy against POC. Nobody is arguing that.
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Old 08-16-2018, 07:52 AM
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Implication that someone is racist because theyíre concerned about how a joke is making fun of someoneís ethnicity is unexceptable. Yes the scots are part of the British empire, but yes itís also a culture that was oppressed and marginalized. Itís almost like itís a complex issue and itís not going to be solved with condescending message board posts.

Keep it civil or threadís getting locked.

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Old 08-16-2018, 07:59 AM
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FWIW, they could have easily turned the joke around and have the other princesses just stare and flounder in their own incomprehension, making the lack of understanding the butt of the joke, and thus show ignorance as a barrier that should be overcome. While the film is trying to "other-ize" or diminish Merida, the internet at large found her awesome for keeping true to her heritage.
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Old 08-16-2018, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul le Fou View Post
I don't think it's controversial to think that mocking a national accent is bad and I'm kind of surprised to see anyone going to bat to defend it

Maybe "racist" isn't the best word. Elistist. Biggoted. Shitty. Take your pick.

As a southerner I have the same reaction to lazy "LOL dumb redneck" jokes.
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Old 08-16-2018, 09:09 AM
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Just wanna say Ample's point is spot on and I think a mod action and half a dozen posts is more than enough tone policing.
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Old 08-16-2018, 09:50 AM
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yeah, sprinkle some condescension in here, spice this thread UP
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Old 08-16-2018, 09:56 AM
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