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Do they keep this up? How?????
Yes. Being good at comics.
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Old 05-02-2019, 02:22 PM
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Reading further, it seems the answer is partly that Braithewaite leaves after 5 or so issues and probably banked them way, way early. That makes sense. The art did not seem sustainable on a longterm monthly basis.
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Reading further, it seems the answer is partly that Braithewaite leaves after 5 or so issues and probably banked them way, way early. That makes sense. The art did not seem sustainable on a longterm monthly basis.
The final issue, where Stephanie Hans does interiors in addition to the cover, is incredible.
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I know Nextwave is even more of a Schrödinger's Canonicity situation than a typical Marvel comic, but uhhh still kind of weird that Ellis not only killed Monica Rambeau's mom off panel but also sent her to hell for an offhand gag about parents who pester their kids to get a real job.



I'm sure that no one since has ever acknowledged that this happened since everyone just picks and chooses bits and pieces from Nextwave to be Things That Actually Count, but . . . kind of a dick move. (Maybe my view on this is colored by the fact that one of the few runs I've read with Monica Rambeau is Busiek's Avengers, where caring about her mom is a pretty significant element of Monica's characterization.)
Ellis is the guy who, when he was given Excalibur, was like "Kitty Pryde, she's what, like, 21, 22 years old? Yeah, I'm going with that". I'd be surprised if he had read more than a dozen issues before with any of the Nextwave cast before writing them.
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I kind of doubt he read a dozen collectively

Honestly, I think he just picked characters at random after flipping through a Wikipedia list of Marvel characters, then asked an intern for a two-sentence summary.
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I kind of doubt he read a dozen collectively

Honestly, I think he just picked characters at random after flipping through a Wikipedia list of Marvel characters, then asked an intern for a two-sentence summary.
I mean, I at least figure he read all the Kirby Machine Man stuff.
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Old 05-02-2019, 04:32 PM
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I think in the late 90s Marvel wanted Warren Ellis to do soft reboots (or, often, incredibly jarring reboots) for a number of flagging titles like he did for Stormwatch, and it mostly didn't work.

I know his Excalibur run predates his success with Stormwatch, but as much as he did change things up on Excalibur he was still basically a journeyman at that point rather than a big name anchoring a reboot. (Ellis' Excalibur was basically my first real exposure to Kitty Pryde except as a guest character in crossovers, so I had no idea he aged her up at the time.)
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Reading further, it seems the answer is partly that Braithewaite leaves after 5 or so issues and probably banked them way, way early. That makes sense. The art did not seem sustainable on a longterm monthly basis.
Yeah the artists change but in my memory they were all good.
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Old 05-03-2019, 10:29 AM
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Yeah the artists change but in my memory they were all good.
I do like Whilce Portacio, but going from Braithwaite and Arreola's lavish whimsical fantasy illustrations to Portacio's X-Treme 90s Teen Comic Speculator Boom art is a big step down for me, in the specific context of this book.

It's the difference between "wow how was this ever even released, this is a amazing" and "this is a good Marvel superhero comic book." I suspect there's Marvel style scripting on the book too, because the writing changes tone with the switch in art. Braithewaite/Arreola were definitely inspiring Gillen to write a kind of fairytale, and Portacio is pushing it back much closer to typical Marvel territory tonally. (Or maybe it's just that deadlines meant that Gillen had less time to iron things out as the run got deeper in and he had less time to bank scripts in advance?)
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Yeah I think usually writers script towards what the art's going to look like.
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Old 05-03-2019, 11:59 AM
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Yeah I think usually writers script towards what the art's going to look like.
Of course this will always be the case for a good comics writer, and it was definitely the correct creative decision to write to work with Portacio's art in mind.

I was just hoping they would instead get an artist who could maintain the tone of the book for the Braithewaite/Arreola issues that hooked me, even if it was not as lavish.
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Old 05-10-2019, 02:16 PM
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i kind of can't believe that no one said "uhhh, what the hell are you thinking???" to these digital coloring choices



it's supposed to be "volstagg ate all the pastries" but it looks like "fan-made porno edit"
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Old 05-12-2019, 11:56 AM
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I was just hoping they would instead get an artist who could maintain the tone of the book for the Braithewaite/Arreola issues that hooked me, even if it was not as lavish.
Late in the Gillen JiM run there is a long crossover with Matt Fraction/Alan Davis on Mighty Thor.

And apparently Alan Davis is who I wish could have replaced Braithewaite/Arreola on Gillen's JiM. He is just perfect at finding the balance between fairy-tale tone and superhero comics. This should be no surprise given his work in the 80s on Captain Britain and Excalibur, but I didn't realize until I saw the Mighty Thor/JiM crossover issues how great he would be at high stakes Marvel Asgard.

(Also, every time I see Alan Davis I can't believe how well his work has held up across eras. Many major 80s comic pencilers don't quite work with modern coloring techniques, but Alan Davis just always looks great.)
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:42 AM
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There's a new Runaways in Marvel Unlimited and I think this is my favorite Marvel series right now.
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Old 05-13-2019, 09:44 AM
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I did not realize Immortal Hulk was doing this well in sales.



Good for Al Ewing. I'm a ways away from it since I'm just reading through his stuff in publication order, but he clearly deserves a hit like this.
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Old 05-13-2019, 10:24 AM
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I did not realize Immortal Hulk was doing this well in sales.



Good for Al Ewing. I'm a ways away from it since I'm just reading through his stuff in publication order, but he clearly deserves a hit like this.
Wow! Yeah, good on him. I wish someone was still doing the annotated Marvel sales charts a la Paul O’Brien...

And yes, Rainbow Rowell and Kris Anka’s Runaways is a precious gift.
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:26 AM
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I haven't checked out charts since the days I was reading Wizard (remember the days where only X-Men and Spawn could claim #1?) so seeing Hulk in the top 5 is a surprise. A Frank Tieri book in the top 10 is less encouraging.
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Old 05-15-2019, 10:56 AM
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Whoah the Gillen/McKelvie Young Avengers books is amazing.

I guess I'm going to have to read Phonogram.
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Old 05-15-2019, 04:51 PM
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Whoah the Gillen/McKelvie Young Avengers books is amazing.

I guess I'm going to have to read Phonogram.
I might make a case for reading Wicked + Divine first; I actively hated Phonogram and all its characters and mildly suspect Gillen ended up thinking differently of it as well given how the final volume comments on the priors. Of course, YMMV, especially if you were ever a club kid, which I wasn’t. Issues of taste aside, the collected versions leave out the notes and essays from the original issues (at least for the original series), which I actually thought were the best part of the series...
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Old 05-15-2019, 05:07 PM
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I want to try Wicked + Divine, but not until after it's over, because I hear it's not that far off from completing. (I've been trying to avoid getting into anything serialized and still ongoing.)

It looks like all of Phonogram is available for free from Hoopla (digital content service available through many American and Canadian libraries) though, so there's no risk for me in trying it out. (This is also true of Wicked + Divine, but . . . I'm waiting.)
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I want to try Wicked + Divine, but not until after it's over, because I hear it's not that far off from completing. (I've been trying to avoid getting into anything serialized and still ongoing.)
Wic/Div is about three issues from the end (and the 7th of 8 trades dropped a few weeks ago), so won’t be long.

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It looks like all of Phonogram is available for free from Hoopla (digital content service available through many American and Canadian libraries) though, so there's no risk for me in trying it out. (This is also true of Wicked + Divine, but . . . I'm waiting.)
Can’t argue with free! That’s how I ended up giving Phonogram another shot.
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Personally, Phonogram is my favourite comic series ever, so I'd definitely recommend it. A lot of the characters are complete shits, but in a way I find very recognizable, and I find it has a lot to say about the idea of being a fan, identity construction, aging and how all of that interacts with a person's sense of self. I love it unreservedly.
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Speaking of Al Ewing and Immortal Hulk, I'm really not a big Hulk guy but the first two trades are i n c r e d i b l e
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