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Old 08-02-2017, 04:44 PM
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War in the Pocket deconstructed Gundam before it was cool.
It certainly deconstructs GMs at a high rate.
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Old 08-03-2017, 11:14 PM
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New Gundam stuff:

First episode of Gundam Battlogue went up:



10 minutes of pure mecha porn. There's no plot here. It's just Mejin Kawaguchi III testing an AI pilot protocol as an excuse to see Amuro & Char fight again with lots of franchise-references in model kits you too can purchase in just a month or so! Action choreography sure is nice, but it's even more vapid and devoid of substance than the recent Try Island Wars ONA.

They also used a new VA for Char for the first time in... ever? It's pretty weird to hear someone else's voice for a character that's been consistently just one guy for 40 years. It's not that the VA does a bad job or anything, it's just not really Char.

In three weeks, Bandai will also pump out a one-off ONA sidestory/sequel to the original GBF as well:



The Gundaminfo youtube channel, after finishing putting up all of Zeta Gundam HD remaster to watch for free, has now moved onto ZZ Gundam. It's only the SD version, but it's better than nothing if anyone has been thinking of watching it finally. They're currently up to ~ep 15 (if memory serves, is right about the Moon-Moon arc). If you haven't seen the secret best Gundam TV show, you should.
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Old 08-04-2017, 09:47 AM
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Gunpla Build Fighters is a show that reconstructs Gundam, when they have fallen off the table and one of the V-fins needs to be glued back on
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Old 08-07-2017, 01:16 PM
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Why can't I find the "like" button for Zodar's post...
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Old 08-07-2017, 01:26 PM
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The first couple episodes of ZZ Gundam... When Tomino is cutting, he is razor sharp.
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Old 08-09-2017, 07:24 PM
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Finished IBO Season 2! I am now done every season of Gundam! Hurray! Now all I need to do is wrap up some movies, OVAs and all that other good stuff.

IBO S2 was much, much better than S1.

This is not saying all that much and if the show didn't have fantastic fights and some of my favourite robot designs in the series it would certainly be a lot lower. Also, the Big Themes about family and such really strike a chord with me.

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Now, finally, I am going to watch 08th MS team.
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Old 08-10-2017, 10:49 AM
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08th MS Team is a good time. You saved a good 'n for last.

Meanwhile I just caught up on all the recent Gundam stuff airing...

Twilight Axis is pretty, but man this is such a clip show of something I guess you might have a hope of understanding if you've already read whatever manga/novel/hobby magazine stuff it's based on... but otherwise probably best to just give up trying to parse what's going on.

Thunderbolt, otoh, actually has a few plot threads coming together even though it's still pretty sparse. No Atlas Gundam in the latest ep, but the advance Acguy shenanigans were pretty dang fun.

Build Fighters Battlogue is even *more* of a paper-thin excuse for AU dream matches and new model kits than the original series, which is kind of an impressive feat really, but it's fun for what it is.
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:05 AM
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Battlogue is on the docket for tonight. Pew-pew fanservice blast easy.


This is what I have left:
- F91
- MS Team
- 0080 (Saw it but want to rewatch)
- The Origin (Haven't seen new stuff)
- Igloo
- Thunderbolt (Haven't seen new stuff)
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Old 08-10-2017, 11:52 AM
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The first couple episodes of ZZ Gundam... When Tomino is cutting, he is razor sharp.
I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here?

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IBO S2 was much, much better than S1.

This is not saying all that much and if the show didn't have fantastic fights and some of my favourite robot designs in the series it would certainly be a lot lower. Also, the Big Themes about family and such really strike a chord with me.
Very interesting you enjoyed S2 more than S1. I do think S2 made some improvements on S1 in a lot of the places it had shortcomings, but it turned around and made even dumber mistakes.

For what it's worth, I think the idea of found-families is a big strength of the show. I just wish it wasn't undercut by creepy harems and Mikazuki being an unlikable statue of a personality.

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Twilight Axis is pretty, but man this is such a clip show of something I guess you might have a hope of understanding if you've already read whatever manga/novel/hobby magazine stuff it's based on... but otherwise probably best to just give up trying to parse what's going on.
I'm following the plot of Twilight Axis decently. It's got a lot of erratic cuts, but the story seems pretty simple so far. The thing I don't get is why it appears that they're inside the residential block of Axis. Which, IIRC, wasn't connected to Axis during CCA. (The residential block was the spherical asteroid that was attached to it, and it gets disconnected during ZZ to spare its people from the fighting/kamakaze missions Axis gets involved with.)
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Old 08-10-2017, 02:44 PM
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I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here?
While early ZZ is comedic it's also very pointed. The "cool enemy ace" is anything but; in fact he and his entire retinue are total messes. They act like they're chivalrous but are really just a bunch of jackbooted thugs who have no idea what they're doing, and are more dangerous to themselves and bystanders than their enemies. Shangri-la is, in modern parlance, a wasteland of "late capitalism", with a huge divide between the rich and the poor and an economy that seems to revolve entirely around tolls and junk. Judeau is a very typical antihero, who values his own liberty and comfort over everything else, but he's got zero cool and his attempts at escape wind up doing nothing but drawing him in to everyone else's problems.

It might not be intentional, but looking back at it from nearly 30 years out, it seems a harsh parody of anime and fandom of the period, as well as political movements and doctrines that were strong at the time and have grown since.
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Old 08-10-2017, 07:35 PM
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Very interesting you enjoyed S2 more than S1. I do think S2 made some improvements on S1 in a lot of the places it had shortcomings, but it turned around and made even dumber mistakes.

For what it's worth, I think the idea of found-families is a big strength of the show. I just wish it wasn't undercut by creepy harems and Mikazuki being an unlikable statue of a personality.
Now, many of the mistakes (Weird Mikazuki harem, Mcgillis background stuff, absolutely atrocious death flagging etc etc) where worse than Season 1. The difference, I found, was that it spent less of its run time focusing on this weird shit. Which, when I've already given up on a show being legitimately good, is more important so that I can get back to blam blam. I think having an actually decent climax really helped, too, because the Battle of Edmonton is tied with whatever the fuck Season 1 of 00 ended for worst shit.

Rewatched War in the Pocket for a little victory lap. Cried again. Say it ain't so, Bernie
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Old 08-18-2017, 05:57 PM
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Gundam Wing is, uh, pretty bad at establishing things. It has the opening narration that talks about the Earth alliance conquering the colonies, but since the actual show starts with Operation Meteor instead of seeing anything that actually happens on the colonies, you're left with a story about five aliens and their unstoppable weapons systematically destroying military infrastructure while the military tries in vain to fight back.

Episode 3 has a scene or two where it's like "Ok, the Earth Alliance has this fascist aesthetic happening so maybe it's not great" and then episode 4 has Noin talking to Char about how she places more value on keeping people alive than winning battles, while one of the show's protagonists sets off a bunch of bombs in the pilot trainee dormitory in the middle of the night, killing almost all of her subordinates.
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Old 08-18-2017, 06:02 PM
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I'm honestly impressed that you've managed to assemble a narrative that coherent from the first couple episodes of Wing.
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Old 08-18-2017, 06:08 PM
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I watched it when it first ran on Toonami eight hundred years ago, so I have way more context for the stuff that's happening. (Of course that means I also know all the horrible things the villains do as the series goes on)

Edit: It's episode 4 when the show finally presents Kushrinada as being a villain (and even then the bad thing he wants to do feels sufficiently less bad than killing a bunch of cadets in their sleep Wu Fei) and any of the Gundam pilots as not being psychopaths.
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Old 08-18-2017, 07:37 PM
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One thing that is kinda neat about Wing, especially as a show for younger folk is that it makes an effort to provide an understanding to all the villain's motives and also gives all of them a redemption. Noin gets hella redemption, Krushnada helps fight against crazy Zechs and crazy Zechs was not so crazy beforehand and only goes wild because... Uh... I can't remember why but I'm sure the show justifies it. Zechs also tries to prevent a lot of peeps from dying at the end, if I remember correctly, but I watched the show at 1.1 to 1.25 times speed so it is very clear I did not care too much. It's a really bad stab at a grey morality, but I can respect that Wing tried.

I've now seen (Almost) all of Gundam! Here are the exceptions:

- G-Saviour
- IGLOO
- Gundam EVOLVE
- Gundam-san
- The newest and surely shit episode of Origin
- Gunpla Builders Beginning G
- Any SD Gundam stuff but whatever I don't really care about that

I began this quest almost a year ago. I don't know if I'll follow through with, like, EVOLVE or Gundam-san but I'll probably watch the rest (Other than SD).
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Old 08-18-2017, 08:03 PM
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Evolve is a very low time investment. It's kinda fascinating to watch as someone who is fascinated with anime history/the evolution of productions. The totality of Evolve plays out like Sunrise staff clumsily figuring out how to properly use CGI. The first few episodes look like clumsy PSOne cut-scenes to budget games, and by the end things look somewhat respectable. Only a handful of the episodes are actually decent though. Most of them are about on par with the most recent GBF ONA Battlogue with regards to being clumsy, vapid fan service.

SD is a tough proposition, because the vast majority of SD stuff in general is just really shitty, lazy, opportunistic bonus merchandise that serves no purpose. I'd recommend though at least watching the first handful of original SD Gundam stuff just for some context/perspective. And some of the gags/references it makes are cute. Also, an old buddy of mine swears by the Sangoku SD show from a while back, but I couldn't tell you how it is personally. Seems like a decent kids show.

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It might not be intentional, but looking back at it from nearly 30 years out, it seems a harsh parody of anime and fandom of the period, as well as political movements and doctrines that were strong at the time and have grown since.
That's an interesting take. Especially since you conversely could easily make the argument that ZZ was a trailblazer in creating toxic anime fandom centered around sexualizing moe loli characters.
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Old 08-18-2017, 08:45 PM
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wu fei spends more time moping about losing a sword duel with kushrinada than heero does after realizing he assassinated every ranking member of the earthsphere alliance
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G-Saviour is worth watching once.
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Old 08-18-2017, 11:46 PM
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That's an interesting take. Especially since you conversely could easily make the argument that ZZ was a trailblazer in creating toxic anime fandom centered around sexualizing moe loli characters.
Absolutely! I don't think that's even necessarily mutually exclusive; the weakness of satire is that it's hard to distinguish from authenticity. And that's even before we get to Bandai's marketing department having different incentives and objectives from the production staff.

But even for the moe stuff, at least as of episode 21, the series is hardly glorifying it. Ple has only just showed up, so that could change... But right now the main "moe" is Leina, and that's only while she's been captured by Glemy, who is certainly not set up as an ideal. In that context, "moe" isn't something appealing, it's something forced onto her by a deeply disturbed man as a way of exercising his power.

And while Ple is moe as well, it again signals something different there - even among a childish cast she stands out as immature, impulsive, and unrestrained, showing that she doesn't appreciate the killing power she wields. It's quite effectively framed the first time we see it. We've just come out of a scene of Roux dispatching a Neo-Zeon company solo with incredible technique. Then we get the frightening scene in the park, where Ple kills a bunch of civilians in a temper tantrum as Judau frantically tries to talk her down. Then immediately after that Bright fires the mega particle cannon at Axis - and despite Judau's fears, takes out the asteroid's engine block with pin-point precision.


Of course I'm also looking back at this with a different context, informed by later work by Tomino and others. I think it's still interesting, and not wholly deserving of its near-universal reputation.
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Old 08-19-2017, 10:42 AM
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I love how Gundam Wing refers to some locations by their actual names but then it'll pull stuff like "In former China, within an antonymous district in a mountainous area,"
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Old 08-19-2017, 05:43 PM
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Also, an old buddy of mine swears by the Sangoku SD show from a while back, but I couldn't tell you how it is personally. Seems like a decent kids show.
I also love Sangokuden way more than is reasonable. It's really just Romance of the Three Kingdoms for kids, but it's fun to see what mobile suit each character gets turned into.

Also Lu Bu is the best and steals every scene he's in.

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Is that a Three Kingdoms Tallgeese???

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But even for the moe stuff, at least as of episode 21, the series is hardly glorifying it. Ple has only just showed up, so that could change...
Oh, it'll change. Puru is moe AF. Leina is also pretty moe too. Reminder that Judau's entire motivation as a character is "I want to protect her!" I'd say you're right in some sense, in the same way how you probably weren't supposed to lust after the little girls in Evangelion. But the fans went and did it anyways. And it's not helped at all by the fact that the show itself sexualizes them (even if it's in service of a higher theme) and a lot of its staff definitely gets a kick out of drawing that kinda stuff. Reminder that Puru's name is infamously a reference to an old lolicon magazine. And yet despite all that, ZZ is easily my favorite UC Gundam.
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Old 08-20-2017, 09:51 AM
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Is that a Three Kingdoms Tallgeese???
I had to look this up, and yyyyyyyyup, Gundam BB SENSHI SANGOKUDEN Ryofu Tallgeese.

Fortunately kits seem to only be on auction sites and not super cheap, or I might've done a bad thing for my backlog.
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Old 08-20-2017, 11:51 AM
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everyone in gundam wing is constantly committing suicide or talking about being prepared to commit suicide or letting their entire colony explode just to prove a point that the bad guys are bad
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Fortunately kits seem to only be on auction sites and not super cheap, or I might've done a bad thing for my backlog.
I actually grabbed a kit while I was in Japan for like $15.



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Man, Wing really falls apart in the second half, and that's saying something.
Miliardo joins the space rebels for no discernible reason except to pad things out with another eight episodes. His actual reason is mind blowingly awful and borders on insulting.
Relena refounds the Kingdom of Denmark and opens a school where lectures about why total, unconditional pacifism is the bestest. She eventually becomes Queen of Earth for like 2.5 episodes. This is a step up from the first half of the series, where all she did was stalk Heero. Regardless, she managed to be the only character on team good guy who had an actual narrative arc and character motivation for much of the second half, while the Gundam pilots were just kind of.... there (Except Trowa and Wu Fei, who were not there)
Dorothy goes to space and joins White Fang at Miliardo's side and no one ever stops to ask why she's even there.
Relena starts acting like she and Miliardo have ever been in the same room together or spoken to one another since that one time she went to the South Pole to give Heero a letter.
Lady Unne turns out to be alive and comes to space for literally no reason.
Wu Fei challenges Kushrinada to a duel in the middle of a giant space battle for... decent enough reasons, but it's also like, this is basically the only thing that Wu Fei has done in the entire series.
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Episode 3 has a scene or two where it's like "Ok, the Earth Alliance has this fascist aesthetic happening so maybe it's not great" and then episode 4 has Noin talking to Char about how she places more value on keeping people alive than winning battles, while one of the show's protagonists sets off a bunch of bombs in the pilot trainee dormitory in the middle of the night, killing almost all of her subordinates.
Is that the scene where Noin and Char are inexplicably chilling in a club by themselves with no music playing?

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Miliardo joins the space rebels for no discernible reason except to pad things out with another eight episodes. His actual reason is mind blowingly awful and borders on insulting.
Doesn't he just suddenly decide the entire Earth needs to go because it's "the enemy of the colonies"? All I remember for sure is that it makes absolutely no sense, like most stated motivations in Wing.
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Is that the scene where Noin and Char are inexplicably chilling in a club by themselves with no music playing?
Yeah. Her troops are young men so they like a flashy place like that. (This is the actual explanation)
((Those young men are the ones Wu Fei blows up))

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Doesn't he just suddenly decide the entire Earth needs to go because it's "the enemy of the colonies"? All I remember for sure is that it makes absolutely no sense, like most stated motivations in Wing.
Earth is the source of war, so it has to be purged so the colonies can live in peace. His actual plan, along with Kushrinada, is to make a war that's so horrific and violent that everyone will come to the realization that war is really bad and become pacifists.
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Earth is the source of war, so it has to be purged so the colonies can live in peace. His actual plan, along with Kushrinada, is to make a war that's so horrific and violent that everyone will come to the realization that war is really bad and become pacifists.
And this is how you can tell Treize and Zechs are students of history because as any historian will tell you there has never been a super bad war where lots of people died in horrible ways in recorded history. And the same civilizations totally never launched into another such war complete with genocide nearly immediately after.
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Thunderbolt Season 2 kicked ass. Liked it way better than Season 1, for reasons that are hard to place. It felt less pretentious, I guess? Like, Season 1 felt a little bit melodramatic and I had trouble caring about any of the character other than Darryl and Io. S2 was a lot more fun and it has some of the best action in the series. I really, really want a follow up.
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