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madhair60 03-07-2017 08:23 AM

Amazing, Spectacular, Web Of, & Zoids; Talking About The Spider-Man
 
Spider-Man, Spider-Man,
Appears in a comic named Spider-Man
It's the comic of your dreams
Depending on the creative team
Dan Slottttttttt
J Michael Straczynski

I like Spider-Man. Do you like Spider-Man? Are you reading Spider-Man at the moment? I am. I have the first four volumes of Worldwide and I think it is a very nice bit of Slott. His run circa Spider-Island got me back into American comics in the first place.

Ample Vigour 03-07-2017 08:42 AM

Spider-man Loves Mary Jane remains the best spider comic of all time. I'll fight you.

TheSL 03-07-2017 08:43 AM

Spider-Island also got me back into buying comics, but I have not really liked jet-setter millionaire Peter Parker as much as Slott's stuff that came previous to it.

Adrenaline 03-07-2017 08:44 AM

Spider-Man was my favorite character as a kid, and I read Spectacular in the 90s until it ended. By the end there were constant crossovers and I had no idea what was going on. When I returned to comics years later I got back into it. I've read the main book from the beginning of Brand New Day to the end of Superior, taking a break now as I read other stuff. It seems like Spidey has a tendency towards bad stories, as there are a few that consistently make lists of the worst super hero comics ever. But everything I've read in the modern era has been acceptable at worst, and at best among my favorite super hero stuff.

Sven 03-07-2017 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ample Vigour (Post 2301351)
Spider-man Loves Mary Jane remains the best spider comic of all time. I'll fight you.

A close second to Roger Stern 80s Spidey for me, but I see and acknowledge the argument. That was insanely great.

Ample Vigour 03-07-2017 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sven (Post 2301582)
A close second to Roger Stern 80s Spidey for me, but I see and acknowledge the argument. That was insanely great.

I mostly know Stern from his run on Superman in the 90s, when it kinda turned into Cheers with capes, so I gotta take your word for it.

SMLMJ did the Ultimate Spider-Man modernization thing while pacing itself like an Archie comic, which was a brilliant mix. Little stories, like how Firestar wanting to share secret IDs with Spidey led to a "don't you think we're moving too fast" conversation, showed how much the creative team cared about what they were putting together.

SMLMJ and Marvel Adventures cemented my belief that Marvel comics are at their best when they're written for kids. The intervening years have done nothing to change my mind.

Büge 03-07-2017 02:42 PM

I don't like Dan Slott, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

Ample Vigour 03-07-2017 04:19 PM

The thing that above all others makes me want to purchase a six foot wide foreman grill and make a visit to Chris Sims' wallow is the old rumor that Val D'Orazio was on the shortlist to take over from McKeever when he drove her from the Internet.

ghosttaster 03-07-2017 04:24 PM

I like Spider-Man. To me, he is the platonic ideal of a superhero. Great costume, great powers, compelling secret identity, a style of implied movement that lends itself well to kinetic cartooning, etc, etc, etc, etc.

I still re-read the Ditko/Lee ones now and then.

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Originally Posted by Ample Vigour (Post 2301351)
Spider-man Loves Mary Jane remains the best spider comic of all time. I'll fight you.

You've got me curious.

EDIT: Had a look at that art aaaaand... can't do it. Love the idea of Spider Man done by way of Archie though... would love to see a Spider Man story done as a sendup of Dan DeCarlo or something.

Also, how good is that Kate Beaton Spider-Man strip?

Octopus Prime 03-07-2017 06:32 PM

I've said before, and I'll say again, that Spider-Island is the result of Dan Slott running around the Marvel Offices pretending to be an airplane while yelling "I write comic boooooooks".

Which is naught but the highest of praise.

Guy 03-07-2017 08:12 PM

My favorite is Paul Tobin's run on Marvel Adventures Spider-Man, the all-ages reboot that could not give less of a shit about recreating the classic status quo or retreading famous stories. I don't think Harry Osborn or Mary Jane ever even showed up. Peter's girlfriend was a cute mutant girl named Chat who could talk to animals, and Emma Frost was a regular recurring character. One of the reasons the trailer for Spider-man Homecoming hooked me so good was it reminded me of Marvel Adventures' willingness to just do its own thing. I wish it would get a reprint in big-boy sized trades (the downside to Marvel Adventures is that the trades were all supermarket digest-sized)

The Raider Dr. Jones 03-07-2017 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ample Vigour (Post 2301674)
The thing that above all others makes me want to purchase a six foot wide foreman grill and make a visit to Chris Sims' wallow is the old rumor that Val D'Orazio was on the shortlist to take over from McKeever when he drove her from the Internet.

he supposedly lives near me if you are ever free of a weekend. I'm just sayin.

Sven 03-09-2017 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ample Vigour (Post 2301617)
I mostly know Stern from his run on Superman in the 90s, when it kinda turned into Cheers with capes, so I gotta take your word for it.

Mailing address now! Will send 80s Avengers (Attack on the Mansion FFS) and Spidey collections.

Ample Vigour 03-09-2017 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sven (Post 2302553)
Mailing address now! Will send 80s Avengers (Attack on the Mansion FFS) and Spidey collections.

The last thing I need right now is more books I don't have time to read. Let me get back to you in... ten years?

Sven 03-10-2017 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Ample Vigour (Post 2303013)
The last thing I need right now is more books I don't have time to read. Let me get back to you in... ten years?

Oh, I forgot to mention the part where the mailman will merely staple them to your eyelids.

conchobhar 03-10-2017 11:05 AM

Spidey is my favourite superhero, but I must confess I've struggled to get into his comics. I've always found them to be rather meandering and unfocused, which is good if one wants a big pile to read, but I generally prefer tighter, contained stories. What would you say are the essential short-ish Spider-Man stories?

Sven 03-10-2017 12:00 PM

I'm a bad person to ask in that regard, because to me a big part of the appeal of Spidey is that he's the comics character who moved the medium to a more soap-opera storytelling style in the first place (EG, he's the first major comic character to have a major lasting change to his established status quo, when he graduated high school).

I think that's why people tend to think of Spidey more in terms of runs than most other characters - a writer comes in and they immediately gravitate to the longer-form storytelling almost by default.

(Mind you, The Kid Who Collects Spider Man is way the hell up there for the best single issue of any comic in history, and Nothing Can Stop The Juggernaut probably isn't far behind.)

I've been racking my brain for a few minutes while typing this up, and about the best thing I can come up with is something like The Death of Jean DeWolff (Peter David early 80s Spectacular Spidey) or Kraven's Last Hunt.

I *guess* the best recent bet might be Spider-Man: Blue by Loeb and Sale, although I think it's the least of their Marvel colour miniseries. But, hey, it gave Sale an excuse to draw MJ and Gwen in all their Buscema glory for six issues.

(It didn't help that Spidey's entire 90s output was garbage of the highest order - to the point where the running joke was that either Nightwing or Robin was the best Spider-Man comic on the stands for five or six years straight, depending on your preference for high school or college-age Spidey. He basically sat out the era's miniseries boom.)

conchobhar 03-10-2017 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sven (Post 2303371)
I'm a bad person to ask in that regard, because to me a big part of the appeal of Spidey is that he's the comics character who moved the medium to a more soap-opera storytelling style in the first place (EG, he's the first major comic character to have a major lasting change to his established status quo, when he graduated high school).

That's actually something I really like about the character, but it's something I appreciate from the sidelines because it doesn't mesh with my reading habits, heh.

Kishi 03-10-2017 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sven (Post 2303371)
He basically sat out the era's miniseries boom.

Venom, on the other hand...

Adrenaline 03-13-2017 05:47 AM

That page needs updating.

Sven 03-13-2017 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kishi (Post 2303440)
Venom, on the other hand...

I'm sure there's a few Spidey minis from the era, as well (even as sales were being chopped by 80% or whatever the impact of the clone saga was), just nothing memorable.

(There's a lot of bad, bad, bad Larry Hama stories in those Venom minis if memory serves. Marvel didn't know what to do with Larry after GI Joe and his Wolverine run ended.)

Ample Vigour 03-21-2018 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Raider Dr. Jones (Post 2301772)
he supposedly lives near me if you are ever free of a weekend. I'm just sayin.

Hey, guess who might be spending the 20s in Charlotte? You reckon a leveraged finance guy might be able to afford a panini press of the requisite size and wattage?

The Raider Dr. Jones 03-21-2018 12:51 PM

I know some good bridges over Falls Lake. DM me.

ghosttaster 03-21-2018 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kishi (Post 2303440)
Venom, on the other hand...

Venom: Lethal Protector ruled my LIFE when I was a kid. I had this edition of the tpb:



Looking at it now, I'm amazed my parents bought it for me.

The Raider Dr. Jones 03-21-2018 06:36 PM

Hot shit, I didn't know Bisley ever did any Marvel illos.

You know what that makes me think, Richard Corben could draw a motherfucker of a Venom story.

Büge 03-22-2018 10:51 AM

He did illustrate Punisher: The End.

The Raider Dr. Jones 03-22-2018 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Büge (Post 2465004)
He did illustrate Punisher: The End.



Which is, for my money...probably the best Punisher story.

conchobhar 03-22-2018 11:08 AM

Since this topic got bumped, I want to plug Chip Zdarsky's run on Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spider-Man, particularly issue #6:


Mogri 03-23-2018 10:24 AM

Does he take his mask off to eat?

conchobhar 03-23-2018 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mogri (Post 2465483)
Does he take his mask off to eat?



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