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Falselogic 12-28-2012 08:05 PM

Not worth its own spine - the NWIOT for Books/Comics/Words you follow with your eyes
 
How did we not have one of these already?

ALT: How did I miss the old one?

Anyway, question:

How do you feel like a book club for TT?

I read a lot of books and sometimes I really want to have somewhat meaty discussions about them. The "Watcha Reading" thread moves too fast for that or it doesn't move at all.

Please note this Book Club will not be a team effort. I will name some books each month that are in my queue and people can say they want to read that or not, I'll pick the one most people respond to or seem to care about, unless I pick something completely different. Why is it this way? Remember when you had your senior group project in High School and in order to guarentee you got a decent grade you ended up doing the whole thing yourself? That's why. They can drop in and out of the Club, see?

Is this an idea worth pursueing or am I crazy(ier)?

Büge 12-28-2012 08:17 PM

Could be interesting. I hope it's books that you can find at your local library.

Matchstick 12-29-2012 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Falselogic (Post 1452266)
Is this an idea worth pursueing or am I crazy(ier)?

We've taken a couple of runs at this in the past. I've enjoyed doing it, but participation has always been pretty thin. I think offering up a slate of choices rather than taking nominations is a good idea.

Octopus Prime 12-29-2012 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Büge (Post 1452274)
Could be interesting. I hope it's books that you can find at your local library.

You can learn more about books at your local library at your local library!

Dawnswalker 12-29-2012 11:43 PM

There was once a time when I didn't know just why so many people were harsh on The Walking Dead. "Isn't it kind of the point, that the struggles and the relationships of the survivors get more attention than the zombie menace, in an interesting role-reversal from the usual Zombie Genre? Aren't we eventually meant to see that in the end, Man was truly the greatest monster?"

(Well, I didn't say it like that, but you get the point.)

Then I read it, and now I understand. TWD almost approaches the themes I thought it would, but then it decides that killing off large portions of the cast is drama enough, and then the status quo resets until it's time to build tension again. Either have your Col. Kurtz moment or don't, Rick!

And the dialogue is shameful, even by comic book standards. Maybe the zombies are just upset at how the living won't. Stop. Rambling. On.

Seven 12-30-2012 12:54 AM

I think it might be a good idea. Might be a little slow and thin at first, but I'm sure that once you get the ball rolling we could have some pretty interesting discussions in time.

Grignr 12-30-2012 06:54 AM

I think part of the problem with book clubbing is that the big readers of this forum read way too fast and are pretty well-read in the obvious classics and genre stuff. Personally, when I've tried to read along in the past, I'd finish the reading selection of the next few weeks in a single sitting and then read several other books between the club intervals, making the topic book less fresh in my memory.

So you'd want something long, like a series, that people read along book-by-book with (which has the obvious spoilers-from-the-future issue) or read something very long and dense, like Romance of Three Kingdoms / the Mahabharata / the Tain. Or just say up front "This is the book club thread of RE-reading all the Bujold/Pratchett/etc novels" and spoilers beware.

tl;dr "Let's read the Complete Sherlock Holmes/Brontë sisters/Raymond Chandler/Dorothy Sayers/Jane Austen". Especially the stuff free on gutenberg. Maybe even "Let's read Project Gutenberg" with different books every few weeks. Especially stuff where we can discuss obscure things unfamiliar to us (mythology/history/Victorian jargon) instead of just plot speculation (which can be spoiled).

Or "Let's Read James Bond": Casino Royale is the Kindle Daily Deal today. Actually, they're all on sale for $1.99 apiece today!

Adrenaline 12-30-2012 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Falselogic (Post 1452266)
How did we not have one of these already?

How do whatcha reading/what comics did you buy this week not already accomplish this thread's purpose?

Falselogic 12-30-2012 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenaline (Post 1452943)
How do whatcha reading/what comics did you buy this week not already accomplish this thread's purpose?

Cause it doesn't. If you ever bothered reading the posts that come before yours you'd already know that.

Nodal 12-30-2012 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Falselogic (Post 1452967)
Cause it doesn't. If you ever bothered reading the posts that come before yours you'd already know that.

The thread's title is very different than it's seemingly intended purpose.

Dizzy 12-30-2012 04:15 PM

Yeah, we already have a few generalized threads on reading books and other printed media, so to create a super-generalized thread that can encompass all of them seems pointless. But hey, here it is and here we are.

liquid 12-30-2012 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dawnswalker (Post 1452721)
"Isn't it kind of the point, that the struggles and the relationships of the survivors get more attention than the zombie menace, in an interesting role-reversal from the usual Zombie Genre? Aren't we eventually meant to see that in the end, Man was truly the greatest monster?"

uh

If anything, wouldn't having zombies be the sole threat be the role-reversal?

Dawnswalker 12-31-2012 03:00 AM

Well, it's true that zombies don't actually seem to do much in zombie movies (until the comic relief characters fuck up the most simple of plans), but it's not as if there's really much else going on aside from zombie-related drama. Except for "Shaun of the Dead."

Loki 01-30-2013 11:05 AM

I saw this at Barns & Noble's today. I don't even know any more. I think books might be over. Just pack the whole operation up.

Evil Dead Junkie 01-30-2013 11:16 AM

Wow that imprint went downhill pretty fucking fast.

It's a shame they produced some nice books, my complete Lovecraft is fucking beautiful, as is the Grimms I own.

Loki 02-11-2013 06:40 AM

Last night I discovered the existence of Bizarro Fiction.



I'm... I'm not going to get out of this without reading some of these, am I?

Octopus Prime 02-11-2013 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Loki (Post 1479295)
Last night I discovered the existence of Bizarro Fiction.



I'm... I'm not going to get out of this without reading some of these, am I?

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A bizarro tribute to Spaghetti westerns, H.P. Lovecraft, and foot fetish enthusiasts.

Screwhorse, Nevada is legendary for its violent and unusual pleasures, but when a mysterious gunslinger drags a wooden donkey into the desert town, the stage is set for a bloodbath unlike anything the west has ever seen. His name is Calamaro, and he's from New Jersey.

Featuring Cthulhu-worshipping Indians, a woman with four feet, a Giallo-esque serial killer, a crazed gunman who is obsessed with sucking on candy, Syphilis-ridden mutants, ass juice, burping pistols, sexually transmitted tattoos, and a house devoted to the freakiest fetishes, Jordan Krall's Fistful of Feet is the weirdest western ever written.

tungwene 03-04-2013 08:30 PM

What the hey linking from the kickstarter thread.

gahitsu 03-08-2013 02:56 AM

the wait, it is *tearing me apart*
 
Guys, this could change everything.

I hope you're ready for a paradigm shift, because The Room is finally getting its own book. Sort of. Rejoice!

Teaspoon 03-09-2013 10:10 PM

As someone who's glommed on to the other book threads: a book club is a great idea and I totally support it. It's amazing how much material is on Project Gutenberg, especially the Australia site. Not to mention the loads of scans on the Internet Archive (better than Google Books sometimes, depending on how obscure the item is and how much you want to be looking at a version of an actual page).

gahitsu 03-20-2013 02:05 PM

I just wanted to put this belated blurb that Phillip Pullman is workin' on stuff! :3

Adam 03-20-2013 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by that article
Philip Pullman Is Planning on Going Silent

yaaaaaaaaaaay!

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Originally Posted by that article
Pullman is withdrawing from public life in order to focus on the long-promised sequel to His Dark Materials, a novel called The Book of Dust.

BOOOOOOOOOO! adam gahitsu fight go!

Klatrymadon 03-22-2013 06:14 AM

Chinua Achebe has died. If you haven't already, read 'Things Fall Apart' some time. An outstanding novel about imperialism.

Gerad 03-22-2013 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Klatrymadon (Post 1503552)
Chinua Achebe has died. If you haven't already, read 'Things Fall Apart' some time. An outstanding novel about imperialism.

Yams were a man's crop, the king of crops.

sraymonds 03-26-2013 08:25 AM

Scott Brick is making the Passage a hard book to listen to. Every line he speaks has this weird undertone of sadness to it.

Issun 06-06-2013 10:00 PM

When parents see their kids reading Twilight or similar trashy YA fiction, the usual response is: "At least they're reading." But, while reading does strengthen certain centers of the brain, something as badly written as Twilight is not going to do much to upgrade your grey matter.

But how likely is it that someone will finish Breaking Dawn and say "Hmmm, that was great. Now I think I'll go read a nice Russian novel"? Not likely. Their reading skills will likely stagnate. Even a kid hooked on Harry Potter will probably not tackle The Sound and the Fury on their own down the road.

I dunno, am I being a snob? Where do some of you stand on the "At least the kid's reading" sentiment?

Healy 06-07-2013 12:06 AM

Eh, as someone who's spent the last couple of hours reading about dumb, awful, weird, and/or kind of neat Tabletop RPGs, I feel like I can't really criticize anyone else's reading habits.

Rascally Badger 06-07-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Issun (Post 1551693)
I dunno, am I being a snob? Where do some of you stand on the "At least the kid's reading" sentiment?

I don't see anything wrong with a young adult reading young adult material. I see no reason to believe a kid's taste won't mature with the kid. They aren't going to go from Harry Potter to Faulkner on their own, but I'm sure they'll get exposed to good stuff at some point. If someone's in the habit of reading it is that much more likely they will eventually read something worthwhile. Plus, if they get to be an adult and still read only Twilight level stuff, while not exactly helpful I doubt it is legitimately harmful. So I'm good with "at least they're reading."

Dawnswalker 06-07-2013 01:56 PM

My sister didn't like reading that much until she started reading the Harry Potter books. She did stick with fantasy for a while, but she reads a lot of literature now (she probably reads more "literature" than I do.) And she wouldn't touch Twilight with a ten-foot-pole.

So people can develop their reading skills with YA books, as long as reading is something they grow to enjoy, rather than see as something they "have" to do.

Karzac 06-08-2013 01:26 AM

I think there's a balance. I think reading as a skill is useful and it's good to practice it any way you can, but certainly it's a lot more useful if you're reading actually informative or illuminating. So I think YA fiction is a great starting point and a great way to show kids that reading can be fun, but it's best used as a gateway.

There's also the issue that kids read at a slower pace and have more limited comprehension than adults, so deeper literature might be too much for them at the point that they're reading YA anyway.


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