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UnChocolate 10-30-2008 04:12 PM

Fighting Games!
 
So I only just noticed that we don't really have a general thread for fighting games. I mean, we have one for shoot-'em-ups, a category that is even more obscure! So here's to you, you poor, poorly-understood genre:(

I've lately been focusing on Guilty Gear Accent Core (Faust), Melty Blood Act Cadenza (Satsuki, with a little Len and Warcueid on the side) and Arcana Heart 2 (Kasuga). I'm thinking of getting into Jojo's Bizarre Adventure too, now that it's supported by Neo Final Burn Alpha. All the videos I've seen of it point to a solid (with the exception of Petshop) fighter with good balance, and besides, I can't deny that I love the manga. I've been meaning to start Super Turbo as well, but it seems sort of useless with the rebalanced HD Remix version coming out in the near future.

Two fairly obscure games that I play are Eternal Fighter Zero and Immaterial and Missing Power, both by doujin circle Tasogare Frontier. EFZ features characters from Key Visual Arts's visual novels, up through Kanon, and it's pretty awesome. It's a bit of a shameless Guilty Gear clone, but it borrows a lot of concepts from SNK and Capcom's games as well. Even with, or maybe because of, all of the borrowed elements, it ends up feeling pretty refreshing and new. Sleepy Nayuki all the way.

I really can't praise IaMP enough. The original reason I got into it is because I'm a huge fan of the Touhou vertical shooter series, and this is a fighting game spin-off of that. As you can imagine, it is heavily projectile/zoning-oriented. It has a fairly limited cast of 11 characters, but it is superbly balanced and utterly unlike any other fighting game you've ever played. They still have tournaments in Japan with this; the level to which they've taken it is damn superb. Not to be confused with its sequel, Scarlet Weather Rhapsody, which had potential but ended up rather sucking. There's an excellent community-run wiki that has all sorts of good information. There's even an English fan translation patch. I main Patchouli here, though I sometimes go with Reimu for the hell of it.

In general, I tend to play either zoning characters or grapplers.

Some friends of mine have started playing bad fighting games too, just for the hell of it. Urban Reign is soooo terrible, I swear every other character has an easy infinite. 2v2 actually ends up being pretty fun, since if you get caught in an infinite your partner (hopefully) can get you out. Def Jam lets you play as Flava Flav, enough said. Also, THE BOUNCER.

alexb 10-30-2008 04:15 PM

No items, Final Destination?

UnChocolate 10-30-2008 04:20 PM

You have forced my hand.



I do play Brawl from time to time, but not as much recently since I don't actually own the game and I commute to school this semester. Mostly Olimar.

Alixsar 10-30-2008 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by UnChocolate (Post 313963)
Also, THE BOUNCER.

The Bouncer isn't a fighting game. It's a game, and you fight...but it's not a fighting game.

Also, Soul Calibur is pretty cool. That's the only fighting game series I haven't given up on.

djSyndrome 10-30-2008 04:26 PM

If you don't mind me asking, where are you playing AH2 at?

Ingmar Bergman 10-30-2008 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by alexb (Post 313968)
No items, Final Destination?

Ugh.

I used to be pretty into fighting games, but my interest sort of started to fade when I couldn't find anything as good as the first Soul Calibur or Marvel vs Capcom 2. I do play my share of Brawl, but I hesitate to call that a fighting game. Have I been missing anything incredibly awesome?

alexb 10-30-2008 04:30 PM

No, not to my knowledge. He (she?) was just getting super technical and talking about playing bad fighting games to exploit their infinite loop combos, so I figured it was the appropriate thing to say at the moment.

spineshark 10-30-2008 04:39 PM

I don't play fighting games (aside from Brawl) because I have nobody to play with. My brother and I did bouts of Soul Calibur II years ago since we owned it but eventually we just got too pissed off about it since every match came down to whether I picked Xianghua or not (I always won when I did, and never when I didn't).

I try to pick up fighters from time to time, but since I never play vs. I'm a lot more interested in the aesthetics and characters than mechanics or anything. I haven't actually played IaMP though even though it fits right in to this (considering I found the Valkyrie Fights to be amusing). I like Darkstalkers a lot though.

I'm disappointed to hear that SWR isn't very good though, because it has my two favorite characters from PoFV. Ahhh well.

Am I the only one who thinks Diddy Kong is really fun in Brawl? I was sure I was going to hate him, but after I gave all of the characters a chance, he's one of my favorites, along with Jigglypuff and Peach.

UnChocolate 10-30-2008 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by djSyndrome (Post 313979)
If you don't mind me asking, where are you playing AH2 at?

There's a machine in Philadelphia on Penn's campus. I actually started with the first one when Atlus brought it over and a friend got me hooked on it.

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Originally Posted by alexb (Post 313982)
No, not to my knowledge. He (she?) was just getting super technical and talking about playing bad fighting games to exploit their infinite loop combos, so I figured it was the appropriate thing to say at the moment.

He, and I'm not even kidding when I say it's hard to avoid finding new infinites with a single move in that game:)

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Originally Posted by spineshark (Post 313986)
I'm disappointed to hear that SWR isn't very good though, because it has my two favorite characters from PoFV. Ahhh well.

Yea, Tasofro basically turned IaMP into a party game with SWR. Some people draw a parallel with Melee to Brawl, but I'm a little hesitant since I think Brawl can still be played with a good deal of competition.

Abominable K 10-30-2008 04:46 PM

A couple of games I've been trying to get into include Akatsuki Blitzkampf and Karnov's Revenge. If you haven't heard of the former, it's kind of like a cross between Garou: MotW and Third Strike in terms of gameplay (and stylistically it's the opposite of the moe-style fighters Japan's been pushing lately). Karnov's Revenge is a broken, poorly put together game, but dammit sometimes I have more fun playing it than Super Turbo. The only problem with trying to play more obscure fighters is the lack of competition.

I also tried to learn Big Bang Beat once, but I kind of fell out of it. By the time I regained interest in it, they'd apparently patched the game until it was unfun.

ArugulaZ 10-30-2008 04:52 PM

Karnov's Revenge? Don't you mean Fighter's History Dynamite? Either way, I've logged serious time on that game, and it really is a guilty pleasure. I'm not sure what it is about Fighter's History that amuses me so much in spite of its shameless aping of Street Fighter II. I guess it's because it almost feels like a parody of the game, thanks to the ridiculous characters and their amazingly wimpy moves. It's like a fighting game where every character is Dan Hibiki.

Have you ever one-coined the game before? At the end, you get to fight a giant ox. I suppose it was included as a tip of the hat to Karate Champ, although that game was technically designed by American Technos (yes, the Double Dragon and River City Ransom people).

UnChocolate 10-30-2008 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Abominable K (Post 313995)
A couple of games I've been trying to get into include Akatsuki Blitzkampf and Karnov's Revenge. If you haven't heard of the former, it's kind of like a cross between Garou: MotW and Third Strike in terms of gameplay (and stylistically it's the opposite of the moe-style fighters Japan's been pushing lately). Karnov's Revenge is a broken, poorly put together game, but dammit sometimes I have more fun playing it than Super Turbo. The only problem with trying to play more obscure fighters is the lack of competition.

I also tried to learn Big Bang Beat once, but I kind of fell out of it. By the time I regained interest in it, they'd apparently patched the game until it was unfun.

Blitzkampf is pretty great, though I'm not very good yet. I've been playing Anonym, I love the concept of characters based entirely around zoning, even though she sort of sucks in comparison to everyone else.

BBB was always sucky and broken, you didn't really miss much.

Ben1842 10-30-2008 05:31 PM

For me it basically boils down to.

2D = Street Fighter (possibly of the Alpha variation)

3D = Soul Calibur (any version is good, but since IV is the newest I play it the most)

2.5D = Super Smash Bros. Brawl (it's fun for fighting in groups of more than 1v1)

There are some others that are fun but those are the mainstays.

demonkoala 10-30-2008 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ingmar Bergman (Post 313980)
Ugh.

I used to be pretty into fighting games, but my interest sort of started to fade when I couldn't find anything as good as the first Soul Calibur or Marvel vs Capcom 2. I do play my share of Brawl, but I hesitate to call that a fighting game. Have I been missing anything incredibly awesome?

Ohh...that was most of my favorites games minus Guilty Gear.
Lately, the only fighter I play is Brawl, but I was playing some Smash 64 and Guilty Gear the other week.

(And despite what you say, Smash is one of my favorite fighting games ever)

taidan 10-30-2008 05:41 PM

I flipped out when Retronauts said that KOF Orochi Saga is out this week or next. SNK keeps quietly releasing these compilations without telling me.

Other than that I'm also waiting for SF HD Remix. So yeah, right now I'm in a waiting rather than playing phase.

mopinks 10-30-2008 05:55 PM

I forgot just how awesome the character roster in Neo Geo Battle Coliseum was. I'd like another one of those! and I'd like it to be a lot more fun!

widdershins 10-30-2008 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben1842 (Post 314035)
2.5D = Super Smash Bros. Brawl (it's fun for fighting in groups of more than 1v1)

Not to quibble, but I always figured something like brawl as more 3D with polygons.

Something like Fatal Fury Special is more 2.5D to me, but even things like Soul Calibur and its ilk aren't completely 3D in my mind; that's where my good friends Power Stone and Distrega come in.

demonkoala 10-30-2008 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rycar (Post 314062)
Not to quibble, but I always figured something like brawl as more 3D with polygons.

Something like Fatal Fury Special is more 2.5D to me, but even things like Soul Calibur and its ilk aren't completely 3D in my mind; that's where my good friends Power Stone and Distrega come in.

I always thought of it more as 2.5 as well though, since you're only playing in one plane, and the only 3D element about it is the graphics.

But ohhhh Power Stone. I loved that game.

Kolbe 10-30-2008 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by demonkoala (Post 314084)
I always thought of it more as 2.5 as well though, since you're only playing in one plane, and the only 3D element about it is the graphics.

Like another favorite: Rival Schools.

Ingmar Bergman 10-30-2008 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rycar (Post 314062)
Power Stone

Woop!

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Originally Posted by rycar (Post 314062)
Destrega

Ha! Forgot about that one.

Willm 10-30-2008 07:16 PM

I'd kill to see a next-gen Power Stone with online play. Well, if it was more like the original Power Stone, anyway.

UnChocolate 10-30-2008 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by willm137 (Post 314116)
I'd kill to see a next-gen Power Stone with online play. Well, if it was more like the original Power Stone, anyway.

I've never played the original, but I had loads of fun with Power Stone 2. I like the mummy dude, whatever his name is.

Gredlen 10-30-2008 07:43 PM

I'm not at all a fighting game person, but I do play some Melty Blood from time to time (I'm best with Ciel, but I also like using both Shikis, as well as Kohaku and Hisui).

Sanagi 10-30-2008 07:44 PM

I still like Melee better than Brawl. Melee just seems more fun to me... Also, its adventure mode was a lot better.

In the "real" fighting game category, I like Capcom VS. SNK 2, because it's way too complicated. I just wish it had more Darkstalkers characters.

Alixsar 10-30-2008 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben1842 (Post 314035)
For me it basically boils down to.

2D = Street Fighter (possibly of the Alpha variation)

3D = Soul Calibur (any version is good, but since IV is the newest I play it the most)

2.5D = Super Smash Bros. Brawl (it's fun for fighting in groups of more than 1v1)

There are some others that are fun but those are the mainstays.

Replace Street Fighter with Mark of the Wolves, and you're right.

Honorable mentions to Guilty Gear XX, King of Fighters, and Street Fighter 3rd Strike.

Willm 10-30-2008 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sanagi (Post 314135)
In the "real" fighting game category, I like Capcom VS. SNK 2, because it's way too complicated. I just wish it had more Darkstalkers characters.

Capcom vs. SNK 2 is my favorite vs. game ever. A ton of great, iconic characters, the ability to select 3 different styles per developer, and it didn't feel nearly as chaotic as the Marvel games, which is a plus as far as I'm concerned. I was a little torn about the Darkstalkers characters, though. On one hand, I would have liked to have seen more, but they would have needed to redo the sprites. Morrigan looked pretty terrible compared to the other characters in the game, since they were essentially using the same sprite from the original Darkstalkers. Actually, my one gripe with the game was how they only bothered to remake some of the sprites. For instance, Ryu, Ken, and Bison had new sprites that looked great, but characters like Sagat had their old Alpha sprites reused.

On that note, did anyone ever play SVC Chaos? I heard it wasn't very good, but I always wanted to give it a shot, since it looked like every sprite was new (at least on the Capcom side.)

ArugulaZ 10-30-2008 08:02 PM

Yes, and it's not that great. There's a review buried on my site somewhere...

http://www.lakupo.com/grblitz/neogeo.htm

But yeah, Capcom's characters don't look so hot when they're redrawn for the Neo-Geo by SNK's artists. That's odd because it works pretty well in reverse.

mopinks 10-30-2008 08:06 PM

I actually really like how the Capcom characters looked in KOF style, with the possible exception of Demitri. too bad the game's pretty shabby!

Neo Geo Battle Coliseum is practically SVC Chaos 2, honestly. great character selection, not-so-great gameplay. :{

ArugulaZ 10-30-2008 08:10 PM

See, I liked Battle Coliseum more than SVC Chaos. Some of the characters didn't look so hot when redrawn (especially most of Alpha Denshi's) and the roster choice was a little bizarre, but I had fun with it, and the tag-team gameplay gave the game much needed variety.

mopinks 10-30-2008 08:15 PM

oh, it's definitely an improvement over SVC Chaos. it just doesn't stack up when you compare it to something like KOF XI, which came out around the same time.

I'd jump on a NGBC2 in a second, though. (in a half-second if they added a playable Neopoke-kun, because I love that little whatever the hell he is.)


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