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To Infinity and Beyond: The Marvel Cinematic Universe
- Thread starter Vaeran
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Spoiler speculation ahead!
My guess, based on comics history and the series' trailer, is Wanda's powers are generating a pocket reality that she's escaping into, unfortunately also trapping regular folk within it a la Twilight Zone Movie. Now, she seemed relatively well-adjusted by the end of Endgame, so there likely is some external force exerting its influence upon her, and SWORD is both trying to bring her out of her trance as well as figure out who's doing this to her.
So, even if my guess turns out to be accurate, my main interest in the show is all the hows, whos, and whys of the circumstances.
Also, bees.
My guess, based on comics history and the series' trailer, is Wanda's powers are generating a pocket reality that she's escaping into, unfortunately also trapping regular folk within it a la Twilight Zone Movie. Now, she seemed relatively well-adjusted by the end of Endgame, so there likely is some external force exerting its influence upon her, and SWORD is both trying to bring her out of her trance as well as figure out who's doing this to her.
So, even if my guess turns out to be accurate, my main interest in the show is all the hows, whos, and whys of the circumstances.
Also, bees.
My own wild guess - neighbor Agnes? That’s an abbreviation for Agatha Harkness
Oh, I like where your heads at.
My own guess, which feels like a safer bet is AIM did something to put her in a weird Pleasantville Coma, given how badly she reacts to an everyday sight like a beekeeper emerging from a sewer.
My own guess, which feels like a safer bet is AIM did something to put her in a weird Pleasantville Coma, given how badly she reacts to an everyday sight like a beekeeper emerging from a sewer.
Also, kind of feel like they missed an opportunity by not having the Marvel Studios intro be clips and art from their 60s and 70s shows.
Wow same. I've always grimaced or turned away whenever these situations ever happen in sitcoms, does this sensation have a name I wonder?
Anyway, despite that, I dig it. I dunno if it will be able to stick the landing with the story's primary mystery but I'm keen to find out. And Elizabeth Olsen and Paul Bettany fit almost unnervingly well as old black and white TV protags.
Phantoon
I cuss you bad
Heh, I'm British so I find this the caffeine free diet coke version of embarrassment comedy. I love stuff so horrifying that it makes my ancestors cringe
I like the way that the things that are poking through were all scarlet
I would recommend watching it as it comes out because it's structured like an episodic sitcom with occasional weird stuff happening, at least early on. I think it lends itself more to a weekly watch than a binge.
Yeah... cringe comedy. I wouldn't really call this stuff cringe though, it's more just standard sitcom stuff.
Yeah... cringe comedy. I wouldn't really call this stuff cringe though, it's more just standard sitcom stuff.
Not necessarily Marvel related, but other predictions;
The anniversary date neither of them can remember is definitely for Visions death
Vision having no idea what his job is is also definitely significant, somehow.
“For the children” is almost certainly some kind of mind-control code-phrase. HYDRA, loves those.
The anniversary date neither of them can remember is definitely for Visions death
Vision having no idea what his job is is also definitely significant, somehow.
“For the children” is almost certainly some kind of mind-control code-phrase. HYDRA, loves those.
I'm also side-eyeing Dottie, for being described as the controller and authority of the neighborhood even in a space Wanda can manipulate at will.
But mostly because of her reaction to the radio and:
"Pop quiz: how does a homemaker get blood out of linen? She does it herself."
Hmm...
Named Dottie and absolute manipulator of a minor dimension...
!
She’s The Spot!
Also, maybe the Beekeeper is a classic misdirect; who else is a famous beekeeper in the Marvel universe who has ties to the nazi powers?
Swarm, that’s who!
Named Dottie and absolute manipulator of a minor dimension...
!
She’s The Spot!
Also, maybe the Beekeeper is a classic misdirect; who else is a famous beekeeper in the Marvel universe who has ties to the nazi powers?
Swarm, that’s who!
...Octo has the best ideas, but I think they are too cool for the MCU
You should hear my pitch for connecting 60s Spider-Man to the MCU
Why would you keep that from us??
Don't be cruel, Octo.
Don't be cruel, Octo.
Okay, short version, towards the end of that series (and honestly, even at the beginning) the show tended to lean inexplicably hard into supernatural horror. Which, even to this day, is not anything that people associate with Spider-Man. Dude was dealing with demon wizards and Cthulhu’s and people going mad at cosmic revelations constantly.
Therefor 60s Peter Parker isn’t his universes Spider-Man, he’s Doctor Strange.
Since we know that, as a result of Endgame, the multiverse broke, and Dr. Strange 2 is going to focus on dealing with that in some way, and Spider-Man 3 is going to be a Spider-Verse adaptation, there’s two ways to bring him in to deal with dimensional terrors
Therefor 60s Peter Parker isn’t his universes Spider-Man, he’s Doctor Strange.
Since we know that, as a result of Endgame, the multiverse broke, and Dr. Strange 2 is going to focus on dealing with that in some way, and Spider-Man 3 is going to be a Spider-Verse adaptation, there’s two ways to bring him in to deal with dimensional terrors
Thought the first two eps were not that interesting or funny but yeah I'll watch every episode. Seems the show won't be reminding me that I really liked Pleasantville when I was 11 anymore and making me wonder what it would play like now. Unless they go back to that aesthetic? Doubt it! Wish all these TV actors the best. Hello, Emma Caulfield!
Agree.
Though "at least" Mando has concept art. In both cases would prefer a slamming title sequence with people's faces associated with their names.
Agree.
Though "at least" Mando has concept art. In both cases would prefer a slamming title sequence with people's faces associated with their names.
The people in those tweets realize that CAN fast-forward through the end credits, or stop them altogether, right? "Fucking TV show" and "what is wrong with you" and "horrible" sound like disproportionate responses the the tiniest problem imaginable.
(And, personally, I like them. They're interesting and thematic and well-designed, and the rest of the upcoming shows will likely have their own custom EDs.)
(And, personally, I like them. They're interesting and thematic and well-designed, and the rest of the upcoming shows will likely have their own custom EDs.)
Biggest bother with the long credits is that the episode won't consider itself watched until almost the end of the runtime, so it bugs the crap out of OCD people like me.
I thought that was Emma Caulfield, but then I forgot to look it up afterwards.
...
Sorry, that was a really boring story. AND THEN I FOUND TWENTY DOLLARS
They have title cards which I think are a different matter. I can't think of a television show that doesn't flash up a title card. But you used to/sometimes still have really nice opening credits sequences either of the Too Many Cooks variety or if they're really classy, no one's faces. People talk up The Good Fight's all the time. They're fun. They get me in the mood. (for television) (apparently TGF's come at variable times, playing with your expectations, often quite late... cool... again...)
Title sequences aren't as common anymore for what were once practical reasons (needed to cut time for an episode that had to be a specific length) and now stylistic. (bc things are streaming and of variable episode length - they could always be there! I wish they were.)
I did realize I could skip them after the second episode at least for a while but I think it's likely there there will be some teaser-y stinger stuff afterword and I was expecting it at first. Now maybe just after the final episode.
The twitter users are not really that upset. Grace does have strong and correct opinions about television as a form distinct from film. I think it's fine to be flippantly critical of pop culture but also I should've seen the mismatch between those tweets and forum culture. Sorry.
I'm not saying closing credits can't be interesting, but this show's credits sequence is not to me. Dull music/visuals. Like I said, The Mandalorian's aren't bad. I just also want a little opening music video where baby Yoda turns around and makes a face. Or something.
with
Katee Sackhoff
and
Giancarlo Esposito
but
Gina Carano
With some thrilling music... some more concept art. Whatever. ("but" credit joke stolen from Griffin Newman)Katee Sackhoff
and
Giancarlo Esposito
but
Gina Carano
This, too, yes.
Apparently she hasn't acted for a few years. Well, like I said, happy she's getting some work!
Johnny Unusual
(He/Him)
Batman the Animated Series. Which is part of what made its opening so brilliant; why bother, you know what the show is...
If I ever got control of making a TV show, I would give it the most anime-ass opening ever just to be different. It's like 40 years later and everyone can still sing the Cheers theme song or the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, I feel like people forgot the value of a good opening credits sequence with a good song.
Sprite
(He/Him/His)
I am very confused. Both episodes have a sequence where they sing the title of the show over and over again. Do those not count because they’re sitcom openings? Because whatever else is going on in this show, it’s definitely also a sitcom.
I mean, I get that people are wanting an opening with actor names that’s the same every episode. This show goes for something else. But I don’t understand how that means the show has no title sequence.
I mean, I get that people are wanting an opening with actor names that’s the same every episode. This show goes for something else. But I don’t understand how that means the show has no title sequence.
Explanation is I'm a dumbass who only checked like the very beginning of ep 2 which also had a title card after a recap or something and forgot about the theme song thing and took someone else's word for it. Anyway, my opinion of it is: don't really like or find it memorable (like the rest of the show) but maybe it will be more to my taste as the aesthetic changes with time. Anyway, regardless, I am owned. No denying it. It's fine. Apologies!
Elizabeth Olsen is killing it with her performance. Her expressions, both comedic and dramatic, are dynamite.
3rd episode was mostly whatever. It doesn't help that this nostalgia for 50s and 60s television falls completely flat on me. Like, I watched most of the heavy hitters from that era growing up, but it was mostly because I was forced to with the lack of options available (thanks, broadcast TV) and all the contemporary comedies from the 80s and 90s blew the old stuff out of the water. So that aspect of things just falls flat beyond respecting the meticulous craft of faithfully creating pastiches of old shows.
The actors themselves are doing a great job, I just have zero emotional investment in what they're doing. The interesting stuff is all the times the 4th wall gets poked at, but that's so far and few between in these first three episodes, so it feels like I gotta sit through a slog to get to the good stuff, and there isn't enough of the good stuff. It doesn't help either that Wanda and Vision are characters that were poorly realized to begin with in the films and thus I really don't care about them here or their emotional plights. Like, they became an item off-screen and I have zero context for why they even like each other to begin with, so I don't really have any context as a viewer for why Wanda is so attached and willing to desperately manipulate reality like this. A show like this would have been nice to lead into Infinity War, or situated in between, not come out the other end of Endgame. It just makes her seem mentally frail and not very heroic which doesn't endear me to the character more.
I really appreciate and respect what the show is trying to do, it just isn't really working for me. I'm sure things will turn around for me once Wanda gets backed into a corner where she can't keep denying reality anymore. But that needs to come sooner rather than later, and I get the bad feeling that it's going to be later.
The actors themselves are doing a great job, I just have zero emotional investment in what they're doing. The interesting stuff is all the times the 4th wall gets poked at, but that's so far and few between in these first three episodes, so it feels like I gotta sit through a slog to get to the good stuff, and there isn't enough of the good stuff. It doesn't help either that Wanda and Vision are characters that were poorly realized to begin with in the films and thus I really don't care about them here or their emotional plights. Like, they became an item off-screen and I have zero context for why they even like each other to begin with, so I don't really have any context as a viewer for why Wanda is so attached and willing to desperately manipulate reality like this. A show like this would have been nice to lead into Infinity War, or situated in between, not come out the other end of Endgame. It just makes her seem mentally frail and not very heroic which doesn't endear me to the character more.
I really appreciate and respect what the show is trying to do, it just isn't really working for me. I'm sure things will turn around for me once Wanda gets backed into a corner where she can't keep denying reality anymore. But that needs to come sooner rather than later, and I get the bad feeling that it's going to be later.
It's a really good thing Disney released the first two eps in one go, as they would've had trouble standing on their own, but ep 3 was amazing and it's a shame these are only half an hour long. Although I still had to look up the sitcom references (apparently I'm not as familiar with them as I thought, despite the endless reruns in Mexican cable during the early 90s) I appreciated all the ways WV is taking the piss out of them and interweaves them with the Twilight Zone-ish shenanigans of the real world. I'm also further intrigued in who or what the "secondary characters" may be, and what their agendas could be, as there is a clear distinction between incidental neighbors, like the doctor, and more influential ones, like Agnes and Herb.
(I do have to wonder why Geraldine/Monica would even be wearing a SWORD-styled necklace. I can only imagine that, within Wanda's, ahem, vision of the world, the necklace represents Monica's inability to completely hide her identity as a SWORD agent, manifesting as a physical part of her appearance.)
Also, is it me or did Wanda's Sokovian accent return when she began remembering Pietro, and sang the lullaby toWiccan and Speed Tommy and Billy?
(I do have to wonder why Geraldine/Monica would even be wearing a SWORD-styled necklace. I can only imagine that, within Wanda's, ahem, vision of the world, the necklace represents Monica's inability to completely hide her identity as a SWORD agent, manifesting as a physical part of her appearance.)
Also, is it me or did Wanda's Sokovian accent return when she began remembering Pietro, and sang the lullaby to