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To Infinity and Beyond: The Marvel Cinematic Universe

Positronic Brain

Out Of Warranty
(He/him)
I actually kinda hate it! If that other shit is so important, why aren't we privy to seeing any of it?
They will get there, but I actually dread the story implications of this because power escalation is a thing that can wreck the context of your storytelling universe if you're not careful. You can have the Ultimates fight The Living Tribunal and Peter Parker punching Rhino and struggling to pay rent, but you have to keep your streams separate.
 

Zef

Find Your Reason
(He/Him)
Yeah, basically, with Cosmic Marvel and its heavy-hitters it's implied they really don't get involved with "local" affairs that would affect only a tiny percentage of the planet's population--especially not when their power is better spent, say, blowing up a comet that would annihilate a whole world. IRL, we have never seen Carol deal with any of her adventures between 1995 and 2018 because her MCU incarnation wasn't even created until the latter; diagetically, it's because she was busy escorting and protecting a ship of interstellar refugees wanted by a galactic empire, and because she had had to confront Thanos at least often enough for both of them to acknowledge each other as a threat. The vast majority of conflicts in MCU films up until then were minuscule, regional even within Earth, or personal rivalries. Those that weren't, well, they happened in isolation, and only became world- or reality-spanning within a very short timeframe and in contexts far removed from Carol as a whole --the sole exception being the first Guardians movie.

I expect the Marvels film to deal with this sort of thing, give us a glimpse into the Cosmic day-to-day and show us the kind of thing that typically prevent Carol from lingering in one place for long.

The Eternals are another story, though. It's a group of them who are hinted at being magnitudes more powerful than the average MCU protag, and they claim to be actively observing Earth's development. Retconning their non-involvement is gonna take some doing.
 
Episode 1 of Loki is up. And boy howdy that was good. Can’t wait for more. The first episode is basically about laundering Avengers 1 Loki into a likable chap in order to fight off a more villainous variant of Loki. I’m very looking forward to where this goes next. Also the TVA looks fantastic.

Also worth noting - no post credits business in the first episode.
 

Zef

Find Your Reason
(He/Him)
I find it positively delightful that Loki knows how to sign his name with a pen and paper, and understands the significance of it, like a lowly Terran mortal would. I wonder what his signature looks like.

I do wonder though--if the Avengers' Time Heist was in fact preordained, doesn't that mean they were meant to lose the Tesseract, so Tony and Cap would be forced to travel back to the 70s? Was Loki supposed to just stare at the Tesseract and let the 2012 Avengers pick it up again, so the 2023 ones still believed they lost their chance?

I did appreciate that a) the Infinity Stones don't work outside their native reality, like in the comics, and b) the majority of confiscated Stones were Reality and Time. With a couple Space, one or two Power, and a single giant Soul.

The "50s future" aesthetic was a great design choice. I'm putting down ten bux that we'll hear the Jetsons scooter sound in the background at some point.
 

Tegan

dirtbag lesbian
(She/Her)
I'm impressed but bewildered that they had that entire filmstrip hand-animated except /I] for the narrator character. The fact that she's a CG model makes me think she's coming back in some greater context.
 

SpoonyBard

A Bard Named SPOONY
(He/Him)
I do wonder though--if the Avengers' Time Heist was in fact preordained, doesn't that mean they were meant to lose the Tesseract, so Tony and Cap would be forced to travel back to the 70s? Was Loki supposed to just stare at the Tesseract and let the 2012 Avengers pick it up again, so the 2023 ones still believed they lost their chance?
My theory is that it WAS in fact meant to happen, that Loki being arrested by the TVA is supposed to happen, so he can help them. Whether every TVA employee or just Mobius is in on it is up in the air, but it's the only way I can square 'the Avengers were supposed to muck with the timeline' with 'but Loki shouldn't have done what Loki would do'.

Anyway, I really liked this! Definitely more fan-servicey than FatWS and even WandaVision, but I can forgive it because Hiddleston's Loki is just fun to watch.
 

Zef

Find Your Reason
(He/Him)
Also, a nagging part of me complained that "2012 Loki" got the character development of the "original" transplanted onto him by watching a video, but that part was quickly silenced when I realized that, well, no, he didn't, but he understood, and got to a different place of his own. A place where he understood the meaning and significance of all those other milestones, and realized not just what he would have lost but what what he could have become.

It was heavily compressed, and (judging from just one episode, not knowing what the writers actually intend to do with him) maybe it could have been the driving theme of the series, but I still like what they did with it and I'm looking forward to what they have planned if this was their opening move.
 

Octopus Prime

Mysterious Contraption
(He/Him)
This was precisely the kind of nonsense I was hoping it would be.

I liked the fact The fact that Loki only appreciated the situation he was in when he sees a drawer full of Infinity Gems that nobody cares about. I liked, even more, the fact that the time controlling multidimensional force is based entirely on old timey Jetsons tech.

The fact that Loki was DB Cooper, and only because he lost a bet is… basically why I love the character in a nutshell
 

Patrick

Magic-User
(He/Him)
I do wonder though--if the Avengers' Time Heist was in fact preordained, doesn't that mean they were meant to lose the Tesseract, so Tony and Cap would be forced to travel back to the 70s? Was Loki supposed to just stare at the Tesseract and let the 2012 Avengers pick it up again, so the 2023 ones still believed they lost their chance?
I think the Avengers are fine because they returned the stones & closed off any loose timelines. Loki escaping with the tesseract was a loose end. I’m not sure if I agree that he was to blame, but it sets up a better story this way.
 

Tegan

dirtbag lesbian
(She/Her)
btw the Time Twister manipulating a person's position but not the environment around them is definitely coming back around in like, the last episode.
 

Octopus Prime

Mysterious Contraption
(He/Him)
What’s got my noodle twisting is that Officer Owen Wilson says that the big villain is a worse alternate Loki, which does fit with the fact that this show looks to be leaning on Agent of Asgard.

But it also pretty strongly implied Mephisto is the villain.

And while it’s misleading, you could call Mephisto “A Worse Version of Loki”
 
I think the Avengers are fine because they returned the stones & closed off any loose timelines. Loki escaping with the tesseract was a loose end. I’m not sure if I agree that he was to blame, but it sets up a better story this way.
I do like how it squashes a lot of fan theories about Steve tho

But it also pretty strongly implied Mephisto is the villain.
If this hadn't been made well in advance of Wandavision coming out, I would have assumed it was an intentional troll-job.
 

Vaeran

perfect world
(he/him)
Loki Doki Panic

Loved this! I don't have a ton to say because this was a lot of setup and the actual plot hasn't really begun yet, but what we got was still weird and fantastic. The aesthetics and atmosphere are great, and Hiddleston's bringing his A game. Very excited to see where this goes.
 

karzac

(he/him)
I definitely relate to the feeling of "oh god I put that ticket in my pocket and I can't remember which pocket it was"
 

Octopus Prime

Mysterious Contraption
(He/Him)
All the talk of a multiversal war between competing timelines who were all convinced that only one could survive is also the... exact circumstance behind the most recent Secret Wars story

Which is definitely something suitable for a post Thanos MCU story
 

Sprite

(He/Him/His)
It’s fun to watch the first episode of a thing hoping the premise is one specific thing and then it 100% is.
 

Adrenaline

Post Reader
(He/Him)
Hiddleston and Owen Wilson are a great pair. Really enjoyed the episode, did a lot of good character stuff and set up a fun story.
 

Kirin

Summon for hire
(he/him)
Caught up with this, and that sure felt like an all-setup Ep1, but it was pretty setup and it's fun to just hang out with Hiddles-Loki again. It did feel a *little* contrived how they gave him super-compressed character development by watching his own future but I'm inclined to let it slide on account of how likeable-Loki is more fun than the one from where the plot forced them to pick him up from the timeline, and I wouldn't be surprised if we're still left with some important nuances relating to exactly how this particular Loki develops.
 

muteKi

Women want fish fear meme
I genuinely love the intimation that the reason Captain Marvel didn't show up for all the movies is because she had bigger fish to fry. I like the idea that there's a threshold of power past which you're useless for all but the most dire circumstances, because for any problem you could fix there are a million worse problems that also need fixing.

as yes the "superman: a transitional power source" philosophy
 

Zef

Find Your Reason
(He/Him)
What's with those tabloid headers in the second video? Has any of the teasers released so far hinted at any of that?
 

Kirin

Summon for hire
(he/him)
Well that was very informative!.... for the first half and then it all became insane gibberish again.

(In answer to Zef's query, having watched the vid, all those are just parts of the wider Eternals/Celestials mythos in general Marvel history, not things from the actual movie trailers.)
 

Daikaiju

Rated Ages 6+
(He, Him)
Yeah essentially it's a primer on the Eternals, and ergo what may or may not become relevant via their MCU debut.
 

Octopus Prime

Mysterious Contraption
(He/Him)
Oh!

Officer Owen Wilson’s boss is Ravona! Kangs wife being a high ranking member makes total sense considering the TVAs entire deal.

Also, the destruction of Asgard was listed as a category 7 disaster, but the hurricane that wrecked that store was a Category 10.

That… umm… that’s going to be a bad day.[/ISPOILER]
 

SpoonyBard

A Bard Named SPOONY
(He/Him)
Well that escalated quickly.

I appreciate the show yanking the rug out from under us so early. Kinda fitting for a show called Loki, really.
 
I appreciate the show yanking the rug out from under us so early.
I'm mildly disappointed? Like, this episode was a lot of fun, and I'm sure where they take the show in the future will be fun as well. But I would have watched a Loki police procedural through time and space indefinitely.

Also, the destruction of Asgard was listed as a category 7 disaster, but the hurricane that wrecked that store was a Category 10.

That… umm… that’s going to be a bad day.
I noticed that too. Sloppy sloppy, production team!
 
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