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The Nintendo Thread of Existential Doom
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- 2 nintendo 2 switch and so they were both switches bopitivity time drift-compatible haven't outsold the ps2? pathetic. is nintendo doomed? its a cereal wow new super nintendo switch 2 x turbo & knuckles nintendo nintendo cinematic universe nintendo direct-ly into my veins nintendo switch nintendoom play it loud snitches get switches switch switch it up switch port when? the doom is evergreen the splatoon 3 game for the nintendo switch system the switching hour
Sarge
hardcore retro gamin'
That's exactly where my brain went. Get folks used to it. Switch 3 will probably see us at digital-only.
I’m fleshing out my argument. What are the downsides of digital?
1. Can’t share the game
2. Can’t sell the game
3. Uncertain if you can still access your game years after the console sunsets and the online store servers shut down
Game companies probably don’t care about 3 and judge 95% of their customers don’t either.
They don’t WANT their customers to do 2.
So, what’s left? 1. This is the thrown bone!
1. Can’t share the game
2. Can’t sell the game
3. Uncertain if you can still access your game years after the console sunsets and the online store servers shut down
Game companies probably don’t care about 3 and judge 95% of their customers don’t either.
They don’t WANT their customers to do 2.
So, what’s left? 1. This is the thrown bone!
Switch 2 is the first time Nintendo has released a backwards-compatible successor to a console with a lot of digital-first customers, so it stands to reason that they'd have some kind of response to that transition.
The scenario they're trying to avoid is families where they buy a Switch 2 and do a system transfer of all their digital games, leaving them with a perfectly good Switch 1 with no games on it, and in that case, there's no reason not to just resell the device. This approach reduces the extent to which upgrades will result in flooding the second-hand market, which would probably piss off their retail partners who still do a brisk business in new Switch 1s. It also counteracts the tendency of digital sales to lead to a paradigm where a game console is a single-user device rather than a shareable device, while at the same time increasing the propensity for Switch 2 purchases to lead to the creation of households with multiple Switches in it, something that was a bit awkward to deal with despite it being clearly part of their hopes for the Switch Lite.
All of this was the way things worked with physical devices in the past, of course - they surely have extensive data about the continuous chain of upgrades from the Game Boy through to the 3DS - so they probably see it as a valuable enough feature to recreate it in digital form. The priority seems to have been ease of understanding, hence the establishment of this entirely new "virtual card" metaphor, even going so far as to slacken some of the copy protection measures to achieve it (i.e. only a one-time authentication is necessary in order to enable sharing, rather than needing to phone home every two weeks or whatever).
I don't know enough about it to say whether it's actually more permissive in practice than other digital sharing systems, but one thing is clear: it's designed from the perspective of broadening the reach of the console platform itself, rather than as an attempt to optimize the software sales on top of it, which is what DRM schemes usually are.
The scenario they're trying to avoid is families where they buy a Switch 2 and do a system transfer of all their digital games, leaving them with a perfectly good Switch 1 with no games on it, and in that case, there's no reason not to just resell the device. This approach reduces the extent to which upgrades will result in flooding the second-hand market, which would probably piss off their retail partners who still do a brisk business in new Switch 1s. It also counteracts the tendency of digital sales to lead to a paradigm where a game console is a single-user device rather than a shareable device, while at the same time increasing the propensity for Switch 2 purchases to lead to the creation of households with multiple Switches in it, something that was a bit awkward to deal with despite it being clearly part of their hopes for the Switch Lite.
All of this was the way things worked with physical devices in the past, of course - they surely have extensive data about the continuous chain of upgrades from the Game Boy through to the 3DS - so they probably see it as a valuable enough feature to recreate it in digital form. The priority seems to have been ease of understanding, hence the establishment of this entirely new "virtual card" metaphor, even going so far as to slacken some of the copy protection measures to achieve it (i.e. only a one-time authentication is necessary in order to enable sharing, rather than needing to phone home every two weeks or whatever).
I don't know enough about it to say whether it's actually more permissive in practice than other digital sharing systems, but one thing is clear: it's designed from the perspective of broadening the reach of the console platform itself, rather than as an attempt to optimize the software sales on top of it, which is what DRM schemes usually are.
Violentvixen
(She/Her)
New Tomodachi Life was definitely not on my list of guesses. Huh! Since it's a 2026 game maybe the Switch 2 is bringing back Miis in some way?
That’s redundant
Sarge
hardcore retro gamin'
Doesn't have to be - follow the GOG DRM-free model! It won't happen, but I can dream.
GoG model/no DRM of any kind is straight up untenable for console makers
Becksworth
Aging Hipster Dragon Dad
An hour was what I was expecting, honestly. Probably 40 minutes of regular direct content focused on games with 20 minutes added for talking hardware, OS additions, etc.
Point of order: it would be Mario Paint 3. How soon we forget Mario Artist for the 64DD!
Sarge
hardcore retro gamin'
Yeah, that's definitely the first thing my brain went to. That and some RTS and FPS action.
Final predictions:
- $399 and an August release
- 1080p handheld, 4k docked
- Joycon mouse; much is made about it working on nearly any surface
- C button is some social media thing
- GameCube and DS on NSO Expansion Pack for Switch 2 only; release TBA
- Switch 1 support will continue as a second tier; emphasis on moving S1 games and saves back and forth between S1 and S2
- Switch 1 games get modest boost on S2, some will receive native Switch 2 Editions. $10-20 price to upgrade, digital only, but will no longer be able to use the S1 version
- Metroid Prime 4 and Pokemon Legends ZA are cross-gen launch titles
- Mario Kart 9 and a surprise 1st party game at launch, along with some 3rd party mostly current -gen titles. New 3D Mario announced for 6-12 months later
- $399 and an August release
- 1080p handheld, 4k docked
- Joycon mouse; much is made about it working on nearly any surface
- C button is some social media thing
- GameCube and DS on NSO Expansion Pack for Switch 2 only; release TBA
- Switch 1 support will continue as a second tier; emphasis on moving S1 games and saves back and forth between S1 and S2
- Switch 1 games get modest boost on S2, some will receive native Switch 2 Editions. $10-20 price to upgrade, digital only, but will no longer be able to use the S1 version
- Metroid Prime 4 and Pokemon Legends ZA are cross-gen launch titles
- Mario Kart 9 and a surprise 1st party game at launch, along with some 3rd party mostly current -gen titles. New 3D Mario announced for 6-12 months later
I’m kind of surprised not to have seen a price today. I wonder if the madness around tariffs in the U.S. is making them a little gun-shy about that.
Does it seem to anyone else as though mouse mode is the replacement for the pointer function that Switch 1 had? If so, I’m wondering if the Switch version of Skyward Sword will be compatible with Switch 2.
Does it seem to anyone else as though mouse mode is the replacement for the pointer function that Switch 1 had? If so, I’m wondering if the Switch version of Skyward Sword will be compatible with Switch 2.
No price lol, probably tariff reasons (EDIT: Site reports $449 base or $499 with MK World). June 5 is a nice surprise.
Bingo. Very impressed there will be 120 fps modes too.
Yep, I thought it would have more focus though.
Zoom counts for this, I guess. It's very Nintendo to require an external camera, but I bet it's really for parental purposes.
No DS, but GameCube on launch day! Nice.
Not as much emphasis as I thought. I guess they figure last week's Direct covered this enough.
No price announced, and to my surprise no mention that is a one-way or digital only process. I figured they wouldn't want users ending up with a physical Switch game and a digital Switch 2 Edition game; maybe for physical it will require the game card to be inserted in order to play the upgraded version.
Ding ding ding!
Does Open World Mario Kart count as both a Kart game and a 3D Mario game?
Also that's a pretty impressive 3rd party lineup! An exclusive From Soft soulsborne is crazy, surely they mean it's a timed exclusive.
Deltarune Chapters 3&4 at launch and Silksong "in 2025" (lol)
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4-So
Spicy
Mario Kart World™ for Nintendo Switch™ 2 – Official Website
Hit the open road with Mario and friends! Learn all about the next evolution of the Mario Kart series. Only on the Nintendo Switch 2 system.
www.nintendo.com
LMAO $79.99, huh? Okay, Nintendo.
Lol Nintendo, wtfMario Kart World™ for Nintendo Switch™ 2 – Official Website
Hit the open road with Mario and friends! Learn all about the next evolution of the Mario Kart series. Only on the Nintendo Switch 2 system.
LMAO $79.99, huh? Okay, Nintendo.
But it's $50 as a pack-in? How does that make sense