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The Nintendo Gamecube: Carry on my Wavebird Son

Sarge

hardcore retro gamin'
Very interesting. I don't know that I've ever had issues like that, although I've been running it on an older Sony Bravia LCD via S-Video and the low-latency version.

EDIT: Hmm, interesting, the "speed runner" and "high fidelity" ones both launch in 240p by default, so does that mean the "normal" version launches in 480i instead?
 

Kazin

did i do all of that?
(he/him)
Could also be my HDMI out thingie, too, I've never changed the settings on it. It's just a GCPlug running GCvideo. I wonder if it's some weird interlace issue, yeah. Oh well! I don't use the Gameboy player much, despite having bought an orange Gameboy Player to match my orange Gamecube lol
 

Beowulf

Son of The Answer Man
(He/Him)
The GameCube was unfortunately like the Game Boy Color for me--kind of an interim system that didn't have enough of the things I liked on it. I don't generally like 3D first-party Nintendo titles, which meant that I wasn't interested in a lot of what people argue are the best offerings. The need for linked GBAs and multiplayer hobbled Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles and Zelda: Four Swords (both of which were otherwise absolutely my jam). The two Baiten Kaitos games were solid, Paper Mario TTYD was worth the time, and then there was...Animal Crossing? That was the only other game I played a significant amount of. Friends of mine swore by Skies of Arcadia: Legends, but I bounced off of it.

When I get a solid emulation setup for the GameCube (which might be the Retroid Pocket 3 if I take the time to get the settings right), I'll probably try to give it a revisit. But there was a long stretch between the SNES and the Switch where Nintendo consoles just weren't doing enough for me (despite the GBA, DS and 3DS having amazing libraries I sunk thousands of hours into) and the GameCube wasn't really an exception.
 

Kazin

did i do all of that?
(he/him)
During the Gamecube era, I bought third party games on it since I preferred the controller to the PS2 (and the original Xbox controller has always been crap, both the duke and the small version, sorry lol), so I played stuff like Simpsons Road Rage, Prince of Persia Sands of Time, the Tony Hawk games, etc. on Gamecube, so that expanded the library significantly for me... Plus once the Wavebird came out, I really didn't want to play systems with corded controllers, so I played Gamecube even more. Meanwhile I've still never played the Baiten Kaitos or Lost Kingdoms games, which are like four largeish RPGs. The Gamecube has a great library, imo!
 

Sarge

hardcore retro gamin'
Baten Kaitos is great.

I put a lot of time into the GC, mainly because of those RPGs. Symphonia, Skies of Arcadia, BK (and Origins, though I never finished), Paper Mario... lots and lots of good stuff.

I also like the controller, although I think all the controllers of that era had their benefits and drawbacks. And I did think the Controller S on XBOX was fine, although that d-pad was fairly mushy. Better than the 360 pad, though! And I emulated a ton on there.
 

FelixSH

(He/Him)
Agreed, the Baten Kaitos games are great, with one of my favourite RPG battle systems. Building the largest possible chain in the first game was amazing, when I could do it.

I only played the second Lost Kingdoms, which was also a very fun game. Absolutely worth playing. Never played the first one, but as I understand it, it might be a case where the second game is a strict upgrade. But then, normally I find this not to be true, so whatever. Story of the second game was a really weird mess, though, I remember things happening without making much sense. But everything else was a lot of fun.
 

Kazin

did i do all of that?
(he/him)
I beat Eternal Darkness last night, and was surprised to see Kensuke Tanabe as supervisor and Shigeru Miyamoto and Satoru Iwata listed as producers. I guess I forgot how much of a Nintendo product that game was - they own it, apparently, so I wonder if they'd ever rerelease it? Setting aside the, er, myriad issues several of the Silicon Knights developers have had over the years, it really is a great little game that I had a blast playing through. I'm going to try beating the other two routes to get that third/special ending which I never did back in the day - we'll see if I have the stamina for it, because the Edward and final chapters are pretty tedious!
 

Sarge

hardcore retro gamin'
I never did multiple runs myself - I just looked up the ending on YouTube, haha. But yeah, great game.
 

LBD_Nytetrayn

..and his little cat, too
(He/him)
I probably don't run enough Gamecube games to fill up my current card (I think it's like a 1000+ one?)
Oh god, be sure to back that up. Those cards are apparently faulty -- I lost my Animal Crossing town and everything in it because I used one of those, and all I got from Nintendo about it was a "yeah, tough rocks, pal."
 

Kazin

did i do all of that?
(he/him)
Pokemon Colosseum is wild (I failed to even boot Eternal Darkness today, I just don't feel like playing through the same game all over again right away lol. Though I have that save now and it's not going anywhere, so the next time I do feel like playing it I'll do Ulayoth). I've somehow never played it before, because when it came out, I was under the impression it was just like a Stadium game, rather than a full RPG in it's own right, and I've never been that into the Stadium games. In any case, the whole game is double battles, which is fascinating, because it's a mechanic I've never really engaged with in the mainline games, and you start with two of my favorite Pokemon, Umbreon and Espeon. The shadow Pokemon mechanic is interesting, though I wish they gained levels alongside lowered their heart gauge or whatever, since I'm tempted to just keep using Umbreon and Espeon so as to not waste experience points (though it seems you can rechallenge anyone in the game, so I suppose you can't "waste" exp). I don't know if I'll end up beating it or not, but it does seem like it could be neat to get a few gen 2 Pokemon into the gen 3 GBA games legit, so I'll see how difficult/time consuming purifying all these guys takes.
 

gogglebob

The Goggles Do Nothing
(he/him)
Pokemon Colosseum tip! There is a spot right here:

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That your character will just walk forever if you hold down. Given "walking" is a method of purification, if you want to purify a party of shadow pokemon, just stick 'em in your party, rubberband down the down key, and go get some nachos. They'll be ready to be 100% purified by the time you finish your guac.

You don't have to do this, but it certainly makes the process easier if you are otherwise not using your shadow 'mons or need a shortcut.
 

Kazin

did i do all of that?
(he/him)
Well, that's not a good sign re: the quality of the game design lol (I don't even mean the walking forever thing, just that you'd even want to do that in the first place)
 

gogglebob

The Goggles Do Nothing
(he/him)
Short answer: it's complicated.

Full context answer: Pokemon Colosseum was released at an otherwise never replicated time in the Pokemon franchise's lifespan. Pokemon Red and Blue (and Green and Yellow) were 100% compatible with Pokemon Silver and Gold (and Crystal), so you could transfer your 'mons forward, and use Mewtwo or your favorite Hypno in your "new" Pokemon Silver at will. Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire wisely dropped the backwards compatibility, as the stat balance of Pokemon Red and Blue was not viable going forward, and being able to transfer that 999 Special Mewtwo would just mean the winners of the competitive scene would only ever be whoever had the oldest, most busted pokemon. But, while this was good for the "meta" game, it was terrible for those of us that lived and breathed catchin' 'em all. There were a great many pokemon that were completely absent from Pokemon Ruby & Sapphire, and any previous "legendaries" were 100% out of the picture. You were equally screwed if your favorite was Hypno or Mewtwo.

Enter Pokemon Colosseum. Pokemon Colosseum was touted not only as "better" than the Stadium games by being the first console RPG Pokemon experience, advertising materials also made it clear that this was going to be the only way to (re)capture a number of Pokemon Silver/Gold pokemon. You've got the big three starters, mareep, sudowoodo, the three legendary cats, tyranitar, and Lugia (right there on the cover!). Ho-Oh was a "secret" reward for conquering the battle tower. Whether it was ever outright stated by the Pokemon company, the implication was real: if you ever want to see your favorite 'mons again, you'll do what we say. As a result, some of the most desirable pokemon here (like Tyranitar and Lugia) have atrocious purification requirements, because the game was more or less designed around you doing everything on the way to "earning" the ability to bring those guys over to your "real" GBA games. You cannot transfer a shadow Tyranitar to your Pokemon Ruby game, but you can after you have been a good little player and made that godzilla a real boy (well, girl. You wanted a girl. You couldn't breed 'em without a girl or a ditto, and we wouldn't see ditto again until the Fire Red/Leaf Green releases).

Since that third generation, every pokemon has been able to be "carried forward", so, even if you might have to wait a bit, there wasn't that same drive for "we might never see a tyranitar again". Even now, you cannot yet connect your ancient pokemon in Pokemon Home with Violet/Scarlet, but we are told that feature is coming soon, so the lure of a hisuian zoroark with a DLC preorder is not as "urgent" as it once was to catch and purify a shadow shuckle.

So anywho, love it or hate it, the shadow system goes part and parcel with where the Pokemon franchise was at at the time, and the concept that you would really have to work for your completed 'dex.

...

It's the Dark Souls of catching a Delibird.
 

Kazin

did i do all of that?
(he/him)
That sort of thing must have been another factor as to why I fell off Pokemon hard during gen 3 - I loved the gen 2 Pokemon and they were pretty underrepresented in Ruby/Sapphire. I've come to like the mainline games since then, but it took a while.
 

Sarge

hardcore retro gamin'
Oh god, be sure to back that up. Those cards are apparently faulty -- I lost my Animal Crossing town and everything in it because I used one of those, and all I got from Nintendo about it was a "yeah, tough rocks, pal."
Yeah, funnily enough, I backed it up to this official card from a third-party one. I used the third-party one for years and years with no issue, so maybe, ironically, it's better than the official one if they have issues.
 

Kazin

did i do all of that?
(he/him)
That may or may not be true depending on the card, @Sarge - I have a Joytech 1019 block card and it was notorious for not reading sometimes, though I just got used to checking when I turned the Gamecube on whether or not the menu could detect it. Another reason I was thrilled to get the MemCard Pro GC lol
 

Sarge

hardcore retro gamin'
I can definitely understand that, @Kazin! I need to look and see what brand it was that I have, but I was always floored that in the almost 20 years I used it, I never had any issues. I've been both lucky and unlucky on the third party card front - most have been fine but I've definitely had some cards critically fail. I try to stick OEM when I can.
 

ArugulaZ

Fearful asymmetry
Joytech products were the worst. I had a combination memory card and vibration motor from them, in the loudest metallic red. It would read save data from the card when it felt like it, which wasn't often.
 

Kazin

did i do all of that?
(he/him)
Yeah, sometimes, depending on the game, it would disconnect just randomly and the game would pop up a menu saying that it had done so, which was pretty annoying! I hated that thing. I wish I knew what I did with my first party 251 block card, because that's the one I used primarily. I think when I sold all my Gamecube games I may have left it in one of the cases, because I haven't seen it in years :(
 

Kazin

did i do all of that?
(he/him)
Got an Entei in Pokemon Colosseum, and it's going to take WAY longer than any of the shadow Pokemon I've caught so far to purify. I sent it out in battle, it went into Hyper Mode, I successfully Called it, and just a tiny sliver of the shadow meter fell off. Even Bayleef, who I'd thought would take a bit, was super quick. I can see why this game has a reputation for being grindy! That said, I need a fire Pokemon, so Entei it is...
 

FelixSH

(He/Him)
Do you have to purify it to use it? I thaught it might only be necessary for sending them to other games.

Aside from that, do you enjoy it? I always wanted to play it, but had no money back then, forgetting about it later.
 

Kazin

did i do all of that?
(he/him)
Do you have to purify it to use it? I thaught it might only be necessary for sending them to other games.

Aside from that, do you enjoy it? I always wanted to play it, but had no money back then, forgetting about it later.
No, you can use it as soon as you catch it, there are just limitations. Until it's somewhat purified (I think once two bars of the five are gone on the meter?), you start to unlock other moves, but until then, you only have access to Shadow Rush, which is a typeless move that does neutral damage to all types, which is useful, but not especially so, since you're not taking advantage of same type attack bonus and whatnot. Entei has good stats (obviously), so I'd like to use something like Flamethrower to take advantage of them, but I can't until I purify it a little, which apparently will take a while. Also Shadow Pokemon don't gain any experience whatsoever until they're 100% purified during the purification cutscene, so he's stuck at level 40 until then - and even then, they only gain half the experience they would have earned otherwise, so you're going to be wasting a bunch of experience to purify all these Pokemon.

I'm enjoying it well enough, but I think it's about to become a huge grindfest, which doesn't necessarily bother me (I like a grind, I mastered all the jobs in Final Fantasy V Pixel Remaster for all four characters a month ago lol), but being forced to grind what appears to be a decent level jump is a bit annoying. The permanent double battle requirement is pretty interesting, though.
 

Kazin

did i do all of that?
(he/him)
!!!


The wheels are already turnin'. I found a Gamecube controller Bluetooth mod, but you need to remove the rumble motor to fit the battery in, I can't find any confirmation that the analogue triggers work, and the PCB sticks out of the top. I assume someone will have a kit for a better one for sale soon.

Yeah, as cool as that mod is, I cannot imagine playing Gamecube games without a Gamecube controller, so until that happens, I'm not interested in the internal bluetooth mod. But once it does...
I'm a liar, because I just installed this lol. I'll be using my Wavebird for now, until I can mod a spice orange Gamecube controller to be bluetooth (hopefully with rumble functionality still included, though that is by no means a dealbreaker for me). Haven't tested the bluetooth functionality yet since I'm supposed to be working, but the Gamecube powers up and the Wavebird works, so I haven't broken anything lol. Not that I expected to.

I also installed one of these, which I wish had been all that was ever made, so I didn't have to remove the Gameboy player all those times to access the SD card. Now I don't have to! I need to find a spacer that matches the spice orange Gamecube to make it look slightly prettier, but it doesn't look bad at all and is much more functional than it had been before. Now if I ever update Swiss or add a game (I'm thinking about trying out that Super Mario Eclipse fan mod of Sunshine) I won't need to unscrew the Gameboy player to do so.
 

muteKi

Ell eye ell why, ee ee ell why
Got an Entei in Pokemon Colosseum, and it's going to take WAY longer than any of the shadow Pokemon I've caught so far to purify. I sent it out in battle, it went into Hyper Mode, I successfully Called it, and just a tiny sliver of the shadow meter fell off. Even Bayleef, who I'd thought would take a bit, was super quick. I can see why this game has a reputation for being grindy! That said, I need a fire Pokemon, so Entei it is...

Check the personality type (modest, etc.) to make sure that you're using the most effective purification strategy for the pokemon. I know Entei is one of the stronger shadow pokemon, but you should be able to get that down faster than it seems.
 

Kazin

did i do all of that?
(he/him)
I plan on it - but it won't even show you the nature it has until you've purified it a bit (either one or two bars, can't remember offhand).
 

Sarge

hardcore retro gamin'
Looked, and apparently my card is a Datel Mega Memory 16 card. Anyway, it's served me well over the years.
 

Kazin

did i do all of that?
(he/him)
All the first party Gamecube to GBA cables were purple, correct? I'm being a huge dipshit and getting everything orange for my Gamecube setup, including an orange GBA shell lmao
 

Kazin

did i do all of that?
(he/him)
@LBD_Nytetrayn Will do, with pleasure!

I can't find any examples of orange GC to GBA cables, so the purple one I have will have to do. *sigh*
 
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