With how convoluted defeating the villain gets in later arcs, the way Dio dies is almost quaint.
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The Jojo's Bizarre Threadventure - I get THAT reference
Also, requisite Dio/staircase battle meme:
It's interesting that you all mention the villain defeats in the different parts. I was thinking about that and had come up with the theory/conclusion that every JoJo except for Jonathan had to have a Deus Ex Machina occur in order to defeat their final villain.
Do you mean Dio in Phantom Blood or Stardust Crusaders?
I'm a few episodes into Diamond is Unbreakable, far enough to see a thug get murdered by a stand and then left on some power lines.
In this small town setting.
Soooooo, how much more does Persona 4 pull from this arc?
In this small town setting.
Soooooo, how much more does Persona 4 pull from this arc?
Johnny Unusual
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The wild thing is this is the closest the show comes to a hangout show. And when it leans into it, it's weirdness becomes even more delightful. God, I can't wait to talk about Tonio and Mikitaka.
EDIT: Oh, and Shigechi. Yeah, this show has a Ralph Wiggum.
EDIT: Oh, and Shigechi. Yeah, this show has a Ralph Wiggum.
Further along in Part 4 and the opening has changed rather early in the arc, way before the half-way point. It's a shame because I definitely prefer the vibes of the first opening. At least we still have the Savage Garden ending.
Oh and apparently there's a serial killer on the lose. In this small town setting, where a thug got murdered and left on some power lines.
Seriously, were people making this connection when Persona 4 came out and I just never picked up on it because I didn't Jojo?
Anyway, I was introduced to Shigechi and he was around just long enough for me to be utterly shocked when he is exploded rather violently by the killer. And THEN we see him heading to the afterlife, still exploding. Seriously what the hell?!
Oh and apparently there's a serial killer on the lose. In this small town setting, where a thug got murdered and left on some power lines.
Seriously, were people making this connection when Persona 4 came out and I just never picked up on it because I didn't Jojo?
Anyway, I was introduced to Shigechi and he was around just long enough for me to be utterly shocked when he is exploded rather violently by the killer. And THEN we see him heading to the afterlife, still exploding. Seriously what the hell?!
Johnny Unusual
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I like intro 2 but the third intro is probably the all time best Jojo intro. LET THE VOICE OF LOVE TAKE YOU HIGHER!
I love Shigechi's initial arc. I love that Jojo allows itself to do a story about characters deciding to use their superpowers to cheat the lottery for profit. Despite the fact that it turns into a fight, the stakes are not that high considering people are constantly trying to kill these guys. It gets even better in one of the last arcs that is when the show decides to show how really weird it can get by a character meeting another in a way that should blow his fucking mind and instead turns it into a "get rich quick scheme".
There are no bad JoJo openings, but I don't think any of Part 4's crack the top 3 for me. #1 is an easy FIGHTING GOLD
Well if we're talking Jojo songs I have to mention my favorites so far:
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Top tier stuff
I'm glad I was able to find something in this thread that could tie into something that I just thought of.
Star Platinum's ORA punches = Hundred Crack Fist of the Joestar
And that's Part 4 done. I'll miss the gang in Morioh. What a loveable bunch of screwballs.
I think Kira was a more effective villain here than Dio was in Part 3. I liked Dio a lot more in Phantom Blood than in Stardust Crusaders. Dio's back was against the wall more often in Phantom Blood and he's just more fun that way. But even besides that, there was something more unsettling about Kira. It's kind of like with Kilgrave in Jessica Jones, they're both characters that have super powers but rather than have any grand ambition with them they are both content to use their powers just enough to satisfy their perverse desires and skate by under the radar.
Granted the powers in Part 4 go completely off the wall. That was already happening by the time the gang arrived in Egypt in Stardust Crusaders, but it's even more pronounced here. I mean, we have Highway Go Go, the evil pursuing footprints that track you by smell, Superfly, the evil communications tower that traps you inside of it and turns you into part of it if you try to leave, Stray Cat, the uh stray cat that dies and turns into a plant that shoots compressed air, and the magical flying ghost grandpa trapped in a photograph whose power is being in a magic flying photograph. I was starting to get flashbacks to Dirty Boots from Bleach, the character who becomes more powerful the dirtier her boots get. And somehow that seems MORE grounded than some of the things here.
But goddamn if Jojo doesn't lean into the absurdity. It's downright charming how unhinged it can get.
Still unsure how to feel about Jotaro getting the kill on Kira after Josuke does all the work.
Oh one final thing. What the hell was up with that flashback to the time Josuke was super sick, when Jotaro and the others were fighting Dio, and he has a memory of being saved by a guy with the same hairdo he decides to adopt who so obviously was Josuke himself? I kept expecting a time travel episode where he goes back in time to save himself and his mother from the snowstorm, especially after Kira revealed his time traveling-like powers, but it never happened. Does this ever come up again or did there just so happen to be a guy who looks exactly like Josuke who appeared in the middle of a blizzard right when he and his Mom needed help?
I think Kira was a more effective villain here than Dio was in Part 3. I liked Dio a lot more in Phantom Blood than in Stardust Crusaders. Dio's back was against the wall more often in Phantom Blood and he's just more fun that way. But even besides that, there was something more unsettling about Kira. It's kind of like with Kilgrave in Jessica Jones, they're both characters that have super powers but rather than have any grand ambition with them they are both content to use their powers just enough to satisfy their perverse desires and skate by under the radar.
Granted the powers in Part 4 go completely off the wall. That was already happening by the time the gang arrived in Egypt in Stardust Crusaders, but it's even more pronounced here. I mean, we have Highway Go Go, the evil pursuing footprints that track you by smell, Superfly, the evil communications tower that traps you inside of it and turns you into part of it if you try to leave, Stray Cat, the uh stray cat that dies and turns into a plant that shoots compressed air, and the magical flying ghost grandpa trapped in a photograph whose power is being in a magic flying photograph. I was starting to get flashbacks to Dirty Boots from Bleach, the character who becomes more powerful the dirtier her boots get. And somehow that seems MORE grounded than some of the things here.
But goddamn if Jojo doesn't lean into the absurdity. It's downright charming how unhinged it can get.
Still unsure how to feel about Jotaro getting the kill on Kira after Josuke does all the work.
Oh one final thing. What the hell was up with that flashback to the time Josuke was super sick, when Jotaro and the others were fighting Dio, and he has a memory of being saved by a guy with the same hairdo he decides to adopt who so obviously was Josuke himself? I kept expecting a time travel episode where he goes back in time to save himself and his mother from the snowstorm, especially after Kira revealed his time traveling-like powers, but it never happened. Does this ever come up again or did there just so happen to be a guy who looks exactly like Josuke who appeared in the middle of a blizzard right when he and his Mom needed help?
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Araki claims this other character, despite seeming to be time travelling Josuke, is not Josuke. But the fact that the animation team conspicuously did not give him a voice feels like a "death of the author" moment mixed with "make up your own minds". I will say it is not uncommon for Araki to not follow up on certain things in surprising ways from time to time. 5 has the biggest example, one where he has come out and stated what happened there (not to give much away, he sets something up but eventually found himself in a depression while working on it and didn't want to make that arc even darker).
But when that moment happens, I turned to @JBear , smiled and said "this will never come up again."
Kira is my favourite villain because he's such an outlier in shonen villains. Most have plans and ambitions. Kira literally would just like to be left alone with the status quo, except the status quo is him occasionally killing innocent people. I also think Jojo works best when it also allows the villains to have their backs against the wall. The villain of the next series gets it in one of the series gnarliest battles.
4 is my favourite. Also Great Days is one of my all time favourite anime ops of anything.
Also, I love the "alien" dude's whole story. Josuke meets a character who may fundamentally change the way we look at the universe and his reaction is "I'm going to troll Rohan" and it gets out of control.
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Oh, before you move onto 5, Netflix has a side series about Rohan encountering supernatural weirdness you need to check out.
If you asked me (and you didn't lol) I thought it was fine/fitting. Josuke is just a kid from a small town. His power-set is strong, but less adept for actual combat. He doesn't really have the ambitions for being a hero or anything, and after the season is done he just goes back to being a regular guy. Meanwhile, Jotaro is like, a demigod. I felt like Part 4 had to create a whole bunch of special circumstances just to keep Jotaro - the guy who beat DIO 1v1 - sidelined or ineffective for long stretches of the show. It really ran the risk of undermining him/his competency as a character completely, so it was a nice little reminder that when given a straight forward scenario, he would still be able wipe the floor with everyone. Part 4 was not about its characters surpassing the Part 3 characters, like Part 3 was for Part 2, and Part 2 was for Part 1. It was very much about mixing up the formula and being its own thing. So I think that conclusion fit the M.O. of the show well.
Jotaro? Kill? I think you mean the ambulance there.
IMO, thematically, personality-wise, and in how he pursues his kills and why, Kira is a cat on the prowl. The plant and tie pattern and the look of his Stand all back this up.
I liked it a lot more than the second Part 4 opening, but I still like the first Part 4 opening just a biiiit more. It's a bop.
However the couple episodes towards the end where the opening goes all re-windy was pretty damn cool.
Truly the real hero.
I watched the four episodes of Thus Spoke Kishibe Rohan and thought they were fun. Was there a reason for the weird episode numbering? Ie episode 3 is called episode 5, episode 4 is called episode 9.
Also I assumed this was taking place shortly after Part 4, which would be late 90s, but in the third episode Rohan's associate pulls out a modern smartphone. Is this just an oversight or is it actually taking place 25 years later and no one has aged?
Also I assumed this was taking place shortly after Part 4, which would be late 90s, but in the third episode Rohan's associate pulls out a modern smartphone. Is this just an oversight or is it actually taking place 25 years later and no one has aged?
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The original comic specials that the series is based on is similarly numbered. I think the idea is that it's implying there are adventures we haven't seen. For example, they make reference that Rohan spent his life savings on buying a mountain, implying an adventure we never see.
Never really answered. But I also think these stories are only loosely in the main Jojo continuity.
About halfway through Part 5 and honestly I'm not sure where to rank it. Probably fair to wait till it's over but at the moment it feels like the weakest part of them all.
Giorno is kind of a mess in a lot of ways? His motives and goals are totally messed up, the fact that he's Dio's son doesn't (yet) seem to matter at all despite how big a deal that should be, and of all the leads with stands his powers are the most inexplicable.
Bruno feels like a more appropriate protagonist for this arc if I'm being honest.
Certainly not about to stop, and I expect things to improve whenever its big bad is inevitably brought in, but thus far I'm finding it kind of mid.
Giorno is kind of a mess in a lot of ways? His motives and goals are totally messed up, the fact that he's Dio's son doesn't (yet) seem to matter at all despite how big a deal that should be, and of all the leads with stands his powers are the most inexplicable.
Bruno feels like a more appropriate protagonist for this arc if I'm being honest.
Certainly not about to stop, and I expect things to improve whenever its big bad is inevitably brought in, but thus far I'm finding it kind of mid.
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I don't disagree. I think it's my least favourite. I think the lead remains underdeveloped through the run and it feels like Araki made his stand so... much, to give him good/coherent fights. I think he started with an interesting idea; the gentleness and humanity of Jonathan and the ambition and willingness to break the rules of Dio. But then his character is largely unexplored and, yeah, it feels very much like Bucciarati's story. I will say the good news is you are getting to the best stuff (though you are also getting so some of the some of the nastiest fights in the series. Things gets *nasty*.) and it feels like starts doing some really interesting stuff, including a final fight with a gimmick that most shows would make a wacky, mid-series fight (in a good way). I also think though the main villain kind of doesn't completely work for me, the Boss... has some fun stuff to do.
I really got to commit to getting that ringtone someday...
True to the title of this thread I have now seen the origin of a meme that I was not aware came from Jojo.
I've seen many variations of this, but not the original. Definitely laughed, I should have realized this came from this series.
I've seen many variations of this, but not the original. Definitely laughed, I should have realized this came from this series.
Diamond has breakdown, Golden has beatdown.
Some of the name changes may be necessary but it's pretty silly to hear Giorno call out the name of a stand as 'Notorious Chase' when both the visuals on the screen AND Netflix's own dang subtitles of said images say 'Notorious B.I.G.'
Finished with Golden Wind. Wow, what a mess of an ending. I've been trying to put some thoughts together on it without much luck. It's just one long sequence of a bunch of stuff that happens, capped off with an episode and a half spent on a flashback, after the big bad is defeated, to something that could have been flashbacked to at any point previously.
Golden Wind, at least, had some great individual fights and moments, but the entire package as a whole is just so goddamn messy. It's easily my least favorite Jojo. Maybe I'm just salty that they did Polnareff dirty like that.
Moving on to Stone Ocean.
Golden Wind, at least, had some great individual fights and moments, but the entire package as a whole is just so goddamn messy. It's easily my least favorite Jojo. Maybe I'm just salty that they did Polnareff dirty like that.
Moving on to Stone Ocean.