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The House of Ideas. Talking Time's 50 Favorite Marvel Characters!

Kirin

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I had Ms Marvel up at #2 on my list, which I submitted right before starting the new TV show... which fortunately is also super cool, even if the plots and powers are changed around quite a bit. Kamala's debut arc in comics is one of very few actual Marvel runs I physically own and love, though I'll admit I haven't read past volume five. One of my main beefs with the American superhero style franchising of comics is you run into little things like the world ending interrupting your story. I'm sure there's plenty more good stuff in the following volumes, but I sort of lost interest as the character was fully integrated into the larger Marvel ecosystem.

Also I should really find and read the whole Ryan North Squirrel Girl run. I *did* have her on my list also, but much further down, as I've really only been exposed to her via memes and snippets.
 
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Johnny Unusual

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Grant Morrison tried to fix this in a way by writing a version of the last Magneto story, seeing the character as basically unsalvageable and portraying him as a pathetic figure who was stuck in the past. I think that was an interesting alternate ending for the character given his regression during the 90s, even if the realities of serialized comics were never going to allow that to stick.
Planet X is a great story (and a fantastic reveal that makes so much sense in how "Xorn" faked those healing powers) and I get the complaints since they wanted to keep using him. It's a shame because I think Morrison knew it wouldn't even if he went hard into writing as the end of the character and a forward momentum for the book and I feel like Kick was a backdoor to, if not redeeming him, explaining some of his more horrific acts as being under the influence of the villain Sublime, as Kick and Sublime are revealed to be one and the same in Here Comes Tomorrow. In that alternate future, it turns Beast evil. I think the way it's written it never feels overt or forced and is just implied as I feel like it doesn't linger on things too long but using Kick = other villain is still more graceful than "there were two Xorns" and also having Chuck Austen reveal that. NEVER put anything in Chuck Austen's hands except, apparently, helping to produce surprisingly feminist cartoons (he worked on Steven Universe AND She-Ra. That's shocking if you've read any of his comics or watched that awful cartoon he created).
 

Peklo

Oh! Create!
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While there are characters whose development Claremont guided more or less from conception until the end of his tenure to great effect, Magneto stands as his definitive work in retroactive storytelling and characterization applied to a pre-existing figure within a publisher-owned corporate fictional universe to a degree rarely seen before or since. Magneto always existed as far as X-Men is to be understood, but he did not always exist as a person: the history of the character for nearly the first two decades encompass much megalomaniacal plotting and theatrical declaiming, but that is the limit of Magneto, the Mutant Master of Magnetism; a sort of second-rate Doctor Doom with none of the psychological interiority to drive his actions. It is not to diminish this incarnation of the character, since there is great value in witnessing him kicking about Toad, signing airbound hostage missives in cursive with his dread mutant might, or fighting desperately for the ownership and allegiance of the World's Smallest Man, but to underline that the Magneto that exists in pop culture and most people's minds today did not emerge fully-formed, even by the standards of slowly-gestating characterization that the medium often sees.

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What changed, then? As precedent has shown, Chris Claremont did--but even that was not an immediate shift. Claremont and Cockrum, and later Claremont and Byrne, quickly dug up Magneto from the villain catalogue as soon as they got to playing with the toyset, and he was played to type: bombastic, verbose, malevolent and in want of nothing more than total domination to satisfy his entitled will to rule over humans. The X-Men eke out a win thanks to last-ditch teamwork, Magneto retreats to curse the mutant youths and lick his wounds, and a couple of dozen issues later the cycle is primed to repeat. That status quo could've maintained into perpetuity with little but illusory changes to mask it, but gradually Claremont and/or his editors started building up a characterization and history to Magneto that had never been spoken of and which he wasn't allowed; that he had had family before, that he actually was more than his costume and powerset and was capable of weariness, melancholy and regrets next to all the villainous bluster--that he was more vulnerable than he let on.

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1981's Uncanny X-Men #150 changes Magneto forever because it alters his history and what has driven his actions up to this point; a Jewish Holocaust survivor no longer permits the character to be frivolous in the manner that he previously often was--now even the performed exaggerations carry weight, and the way he's responded to by others shifts too; there is now respect and unwilling admiration across moral lines. Issue #161 the following year cements the newfound direction as Xavier and Magneto's intense and complicated interpersonal relationship is defined in full for the first time through flashback, depicting their shared early adulthoods--these characters had been adversaries from the start, but they were not framed as parted friends and tragically opposed life partners before. Landmark stories as to X-Men's overall thematic content would also occur around this time, such as "God Loves, Man Kills", and Magneto's philosophical role in them would further define his new dynamic with his adversaries, shifting ever more from villain to antagonist.

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This could've been yet another stopping point to hold Magneto in stasis in, with the iconic qualities of the character preserved but developed to contain verisimilitude and complexity over time, but it wasn't to be. Through years of incremental characterization more than singular turning points, the antagonism withers in Magneto toward the X-Men; he is seen associating with them of his own want and will, and seen more outside of his colourful superperson garb in civilian attire. The development is so gradual that when the climax occurs in Uncanny X-Men #200, it cannot be read as anything but the conclusion all the work laid out had emotionally and thematically called for, in Magneto taking responsibility for the school at Xavier's request in his absence. Issue #200 isn't significant just because it's a numerically mandated milestone celebration, and not because it's a damn good genre mix of a blockbuster and courtroom drama, but because it's fully invested in all the ridiculous minutiae of Magneto continuity ("can Magneto be held legally accountable for the actions he took pre-babification" goes one judicial inquiry) that it plays straight as legitimate to the character and who he is, while also setting up a real sea change in how the books would be from that point on, with the admission that they had outgrown Xavier, and had grown with Magneto to take his place in shepherding the next generation of mutants.

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Magneto in the mid-to-late '80s, whether the headmaster of the New Mutants or an ally and friend to the X-Men, is the culmination of all those years of work in selling the transition as legitimate, and it's not a short victory lap with the best having already occurred, but a chance for the character to truly present something that no one had ever seen of him before or could imagine him as, and remains the character's most human and diversely depicted period. It was the kind of change that corporate-owned creative properties bristle at, because too radical a shift would lead to incongruous and volatile licensing opportunities of the character's much more valuable popular image than who he was on the page in the changes he was undergoing month to month. It was permitted to take hold for a couple of years largely thanks to Claremont's influence over the X-books as a whole, but eventually regression struck Magneto's uneasy navigation of more adult and difficult responsibilities than superpowered machinations down, as a new generation of writers and artists--and some of the older guard--began to long for that previous incarnation that they had imprinted on in years before, as the ever-insidious mutant villain and overlord to trade punches with.

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That Magneto eventually returned, and did a great many things. Whether it was being blown up with Asteroid M yet again, or ripping out Wolverine's adamantium and having his mind shut down for it, or fighting his errant clone, or being skewered by Wolverine in Genosha, or getting addicted to mutant narcotics, none of it really registers in the wake of the walkback that the character was made to endure, even if some of the stories since have been individually good. It was the consistency and drive to evolve that left that indelible impression in the first place, and earned the character his place as an unforgettable central figure in the series beyond just seniority and status.
 
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Fair enough. In the 20ish years of X-Men comics I've read, he's always seemed like an outsider.

This definitely makes sense.

Honestly, one of the biggest surprises of reading the Claremont run to me was learning the Magneto's modern characterization is pretty much established for the first time in his last three issues, in X-Men vol. 2 (1991) #1-3! It's a fix to an editorially mandated regression that stuck going forward, and in an era when characters aren't allowed to develop it's more or less the tone for the character everyone comes back to.

edit: Thank you to Peklo for taking the time to put that together.
 
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Octopus Prime

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Magneto is a masterclass example of how to make a villain who is sympathetic enough that you feel for him, but never so sympathetic that you ever forget that he’s a complete monster.

As far as characterization goes he might be the most interesting character arc in the Krakoan era; Krakoa is everything he’s dedicated himself toward since back when he was a crappy Dr. Doom knockoff, and now he has it and can’t even stop to appreciate it.

Also Ian MacKellan is the absolute best part of the X-Men movies, like damn
 

Adrenaline

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#5: Captain America
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AKA: Steven Rogers, Nomad
Powers: Peak human physique
First Appearance: Captain America Comics #1, 1941
Created By: Joe Simon, Jack Kirby
Portrayed By: Reb Brown, Matt Salinger, Chris Evans
9 votes, 234 points (Top voter: Patrick (#1))

Premiering after the outbreak of World War II during the Golden Age of comics, Captain America is the oldest character to make the top 50. Steve Rogers was a kid who lost both his parents before reaching adulthood, and tried to enlist to fight against the Nazis in Europe, but he was rejected because of his frail body. He attracted the attention of the Super Soldier program, and he ended up being the sole success of the serum before its creator was killed. The serum transformed him, giving him perfect human strength, speed, and stamina. Other versions of the character are depicted with true super strength, but I prefer the version where he's just a guy. He joined the war effort as both successful anti-Nazi propaganda and an effective agent in the field, whether working only with his daring sidekick Bucky or with the superteam known as the Invaders. Captain America's adventures continued for a while after the war, but these were later retconned to be imitators and not the real deal. Steve was thought lost in a mission at the end of the war that left him trapped in ice, neither moving nor aging.

Early in the Avengers' history, they rescued Steve from the ice, and he joined the team, quickly becoming its leader and one of its most consistent members. He also continued to have his own stories, fighting against enemies such as Red Skull and Hydra. While some see Cap as a simple patriotic character, he has always believed in the American ideals of freedom and justice more than he's been a simple tool of the state. There are occasions where his beliefs have put him at odds with the country he represents. When he realized that high ranking members of the government were actually part of the villainous Secret Empire, he abandoned the Captain America identity and became Nomad for a while. Later, he led the outlaw anti-registration side of the Civil War before surrendering once he realized the fighting wasn't helping. He was then killed in a highly publicized story, with his recently-returned sidekick Bucky taking up the mantle.

When Steve returned, he let Bucky keep the name and became director of SHIELD after ousting Norman Osborn. He returned to being Captain America after Bucky left the role. After being trapped in Dimension Z for many years while a short time passed in his own reality, a villain neutralized the serum in his body, causing him to drastically age. He again took a back seat while his friend Sam Wilson became the new Captain America. He was seemingly restored to his youth by a sentient cosmic cube, but this turned out to be a false Captain America from a reality where he had been raised as a follower of Hydra. The new Secret Empire storyline, involving Steve taking over the country for Hydra, was controversial, taking a character designed by Jewish creators and implying that he was essentially a Nazi. I thought the reaction was a bit overblown, but ultimately the story wasn't good enough to justify the firestorm it understandably created. The real Cap eventually returned and put his imposter behind bars, but his reputation was damaged, both in the comics and in real life.

There were a few not-so-great adaptations of the character over the years, but the MCU turned things around when they cast Chris Evans in the role. Evans had prior superhero experience, and he did a good job of capturing the character's essential decency while giving him a charisma and sense of humor to avoid seeming boring. It's pretty easy to make a character sarcastic or edgy to be interesting, but making a dude who's basically just a good guy likable is a bit harder. The MCU Captain America movies were solid to great and he was a key part of the Avengers series before his apparent retirement. Cap is one of my favorite characters, and more than that he's the reason I became such a voracious reader of Marvel comics. I had read a few here and there, but it was my friend lending me his collection of Ed Brubaker's run on Cap that got me hooked. I needed more. I started reading more Cap books, and more books by Brubaker, and that led to me discovering more writers and artists and characters I wanted to follow. He'll always have a special place in my heart for that reason.
 

Adrenaline

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#4: J. Jonah Jameson
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AKA: John Jonah Jameson, Jr.
Powers: None
First Appearance: The Amazing Spider-Man #1, 1963
Created By: Stan Lee, Steve Ditko
Portrayed By: David White, Robert F. Simon, J.K. Simmons
10 votes, 247 points (Top voter: Olli (#1))

I thought that Jonah would probably do very well among Marvel's civilian characters, but I didn't expect him to appear nearly this high on the list. I guess I'm not alone in loving the old curmudgeon. He was first introduced as the editor of the Daily Bugle, a newspaper in New York with a wide circulation but also something of a reputation as a tabloid. Jameson develops into a sort of antagonist for Spider-Man, while simultaneously being a supporting character for his alter ego Peter Parker. He constantly writes articles disparaging Spidey and accusing him of crime, while also unwittingly putting food on his table by paying him for pictures of himself to support his screeds. Jonah's anti-vigilante stance is honestly understandable and reasonable, it's just his personal vendetta against Spider-Man in particular and unwillingness to retract his accusations once they're proven false that make him such a cartoonish figure. Spider-Man has often had a difficult relationship with the people of the city he protects, and Jonah is a big cause of that. At one point his hatred of the webbed menace got to out of hand that he dipped his toe into supervillainy, funding Spencer Smyth's "Spider-Slayer" robots that thankfully were unable to fulfill their function.

While he is prone to go too far with his anti-Spidey actions, Jonah is fundamentally a decent man. He generally has high journalistic standards when he's not blaming Spider-Man for whatever the latest catastrophe is, and he goes out of his way to help the younger people working for his paper who need a hand. He has also experienced more than his share of loss, losing two wives and an adopted daughter. His son John has also had troubles, who during his astronaut career found a gem that gave him a weird case of space lycanthropy. After stepping away from the Bugle, Jameson became mayor of New York for a period (the highest ranking of four New York mayors on this list). Since leaving politics, he became a radio host and later started working for a news website. There was a storyline where his estranged father married Peter's Aunt May, making the two in-laws of a sort and humorously twisting their relationship even further. When Spider-Man's secret identity was revealed during the Civil War event, Jonah felt betrayed, and sought legal damages. His memory of this event was erased along with everyone else's, but Peter again revealed himself to Jonah a few years ago. He took it better this time, and came to understand that while he and Spider-Man had had their differences, they both wanted to do right by the people of New York. Jonah has since tried to be an ally to Peter, but he seems to accidentally cause trouble for him as often as he did when he hated him.

J.K. Simmons played the character in Sam Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy. He was so good in the role that they didn't bother to try to replace him in the Amazing Spider-Man movies, and he played an alternate version of the character in the MCU. He has also voiced Jonah on several occasions. All of his scenes in the Raimi movies are laugh-out-loud funny, but they also capture his decency, such as the scene where he refuses to give Peter up to the Green Goblin when he uses explosives to break into his office. Jonah's blind hatred of Spider-Man can sometimes be frustrating, but he makes the character's world richer and more complex. As far as non-super powered characters in superhero comics go, he's definitely one of the best ever.
 

Octopus Prime

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…I voted for Kree Sentry 459 but I forgot to vote for J Jonah Jameson?!?

I’ll see myself out.

Gonna go lie on the beach until the crabs come and take me home
 
…I voted for Kree Sentry 459 but I forgot to vote for J Jonah Jameson?!?
Well my reality has just been completely upended.

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of comics readers hear Simmons's voice whenever they read Jameson's dialogue. If any actor ever really defined a comic character on their own it's J.K.
 

Peklo

Oh! Create!
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I love Jonah because in the superhero wrestling cartoon that is Spider-Man's life, he is the ultimate heel manager and embodiment of the character's most compelling thematicism in his relationship to the public and the mistrust that defines his role to those he would protect and fight for. Hulk Hogan's greatest adversary wasn't the giants he had to fell like André, nor the frenemies he'd become entangled with on a personal level like Randy Savage, and not even the upstart heirs apparent like the Ultimate Warrior--it was always, most consistently and most unyieldingly Bobby "The Brain" Heenan, whose intense loathings of the marquee hero and the way with words he used to bury him with on a weekly basis that built up the reputation and the fandom of the object of his ire, as if in reciprocal opposition to the degree of venom he had in reserve for his nemesis. Spider-Man doesn't exist and doesn't hold the same meaning without Jonah's public smear campaign of decades and decades, and just like Heenan's on-screen vitriol for Hulk Hogan the character eventually found unwitting resonance in being accurate and applicable to the reality of Hulk Hogan the person, Jonah's rantings come from a place of a coherent ethical baseline, set of principles and journalistic standards, which regularly fail to apply in his exceptional vendetta toward his designated mortal enemy, leaving him in an always interesting position of oscillating between legitimate and sensationalistic.
 

Octopus Prime

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Well my reality has just been completely upended.

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of comics readers hear Simmons's voice whenever they read Jameson's dialogue. If any actor ever really defined a comic character on their own it's J.K.
To be fair; if anyone was going to vote for the undersung, hardest working robot in the biz, it’d be me…
 
Cap is my favorite Avenger, and favorite Marvel character that isn't Spider-Man or a mutant. In a comic universe as edgy as Marvel, where just about everyone has some debilitating character flaw of some kind, Cap is a breath of fresh air. He's basically Superman, but with a much more limited powerset. (Guess how I feel about Superman?) Chris Evans also breathed life into the character in ways that a lot of Marvel actors kinda fail to do, IMO. RDJ redefined Iron Man. Other actors play versions of beloved characters. But Evans simply IS Cap.
It's pretty easy to make a character sarcastic or edgy to be interesting, but making a dude who's basically just a good guy likable is a bit harder.
I don't like this mentality, because I think it's very easy to present it as a false dichotomy. The same kind of logic springs up around Superman, where many people have come to believe it's somehow just intrinsically hard to make Superman stories. And I think that's just a bunch of baloney. I mean, maybe it's hard for *these* writers to make good Superman/Captain America stories because they're always trying to do stupid things to reinvent the character or give him some unnecessary twist. But it's not hard or some mysterious formula. There is a large market for making super hero stuff about a dude who's basically just a good guy, because those turn out to be both pretty rare but also very appealing. (See: how enduring the popularity of Superman has been over the ages.) And one of the most frustrating parts of the MCU to me is that they very clearly had the same worries and felt the same way. Because as much as Cap himself has been one of the brightest, most successful parts of the MCU, all his movies go out of their ways to sideline Cap or reduce his role in them. Winter Soldier is a good movie, but it's a disappointing Captain America film because all Cap really does is go on a warpath, while other characters move the plot forward. Evans was given very little meat in that film to chew on. Civil War was an awesome film, but again, an atrocious Cap film. It would have been less insulting to just rebrand it an Avengers movie. It's more of a Tony Stark film than a Steve Rogers film. Ironically, I thought the best Cap film of all the MCU was Endgame, since Cap's whole story in it serves as the emotional core of the film in a way that no other Marvel film really attempts.

JJ is awesome. He's basically just a meme at this point, but what a glorious meme.
 

Johnny Unusual

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JJ is awesome. He's basically just a meme at this point, but what a glorious meme.
Don't disagree but I also put him in a similar spot as Homer Simpson: Putting the various depictions even in universe together he's mildly contradictory. Is he a misguided curmudgeon with integrity or a weaselly snake oil salesman or, as he is in the MCU and video games, Alex Jones. There are great stories with him in all directions and I kind of like how all of that can fit into this character and yet he feels to me entirely cohesive and somehow, if not consistent, perfectly realized in a way that allows for the variations that never feel like they need hard walkbacks.

Into the Jonah-Verse is a story that needs to happen by the way. It's not even a story, it's that full room scene from A Night at the Opera but instead of the Marx Brothers and ship attendents, it's a room filling up more and more with increasingly irate JJJs.

I think Cap is a character who like Superman gets to be aspirational but they still get moral struggles that work... when the writer is good. Since he was re-invented as a man out of time, he became less a propaganda character and more an excuse to explore the American zeitgeist in a character in a garish costume yet with a sincere heart, willing to learn, change and defend the ideals he believes America should stand for even when the reality is much more despairing. Generally, he's not naive and he loves America but when written write, he doesn't assume exceptionalism.

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Adrenaline

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#3: Doctor Doom
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AKA: Victor von Doom, Iron Man
Powers: Mastery of dark magic, powered armor, mind swapping
First Appearance: The Fantastic Four #5, 1962
Created By: Stan Lee, Jack Kirby
Portrayed By: Julian McMahon, Toby Kebbell
9 votes, 252 points (Top voter: Octopus Prime (#1))

Most super villains are introduced to be an antagonist for an individual superhero, but Doctor Doom was created to oppose an entire family of them. And beyond the Fantastic Four, Doom is able to effectively oppose any individual or group he sets his mind against. He is protected by a nearly impenetrable suit of armor and an army of robots who can act as decoys or bodyguards. He is a genius inventor on the level of Tony Stark and a master sorcerer on the level of Stephen Strange. He is ruler of the nation of Latveria, a status which makes it politically difficult for heroes to interfere in his schemes. His greatest flaw is his pride, which often causes him to reject help or overstep his limits. Doom first met Reed Richards at college, where the two took a dislike to each other. Doom was developing an experiment, and when Reed made a suggestion, he ignored it. This proved to be a mistake, as it exploded in his face, leaving him scarred. It was the start of an enmity that would continue for years.

Despite his hatred of the Fantastic Four, Doom is not a simple minded villain who always does the worst thing possible. His goal is to rule the world, not destroy it, so he often finds himself reluctantly allied with heroes instead of fighting them. In the original Secret Wars event, he was the one who actually managed to defeat the powerful Beyonder, who had taken him and other marketable characters captive and forced them to battle. He stole the Beyonder's power, but it was too much for a mortal man to handle, and he lost control of it. Doom joined the Fantastic Four to oppose Onslaught, and helped Susan Richards when she was having trouble giving birth to her daughter, saving both their lives. He was allowed to pick her name, and chose Valeria, after an old love. During the more recent Secret Wars event, Doom was ultimately the one who prevented the complete destruction of the multiverse. The Beyonders intended to use the Molecule Men of each universe to destroy them simultaneously. Doom interfered, which caused incursions that ended up destroying universes one by one, giving him and the others time to find a solution. At the final incursion, his universe was destroyed, but he managed to cobble together pieces of different realities to create Battleworld, a new reality that he controlled. He was eventually defeated by refugees of his own universe, and his original reality was restored. After Iron Man was put into a coma during Civil War II, Doom tried his hand at being a superhero for a while, but he has since returned to his old self as the megalomaniacal ruler of Laterveria.

Doom has appeared as a villain in many animated series over the years which generally did right by the character. Unfortunately, both live action attempts so far have been total failures. Both versions took away the character's identity as sovereign of a foreign nation, which is like, Doom's whole thing kind of? They also both had him as a member of the expedition that gave the Four their powers, and gave him a romantic interest in Susan. I know he married a version of her in Secret Wars, but that's not really his thing usually. That's Namor's thing. By tying Doom into the origin of the Fantastic Four so closely they take away from what makes the character interesting. There's a scene in the most recent Fantastic Four movie where he walks down a hallway exploding guys' heads. It's kind of a cool scene, but that's not Doctor Doom. Doom has much more interesting plans than exploding some guys' heads.
 

Octopus Prime

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THE ONLY REASON DOOM DOES NOT EXIST ON THE TOP OF THIS “SO CALLED” POPULARITY LIST IS BECAUSE THE WORLD HAS SWALLOWED THE LIES THAT THE WITLESS BUFFOON RICHARDS HAS SPREAD! DOOMS WISDOM AND HUMILITY IS BEYOND REPROACH! HE IS BY ALL QUANTIFIABLE METRICS THE SUPREME FORCE IN ANY UNIVERSE, MARVEL OR OTHERWISE!


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Johnny Unusual

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Doctor Doom is one of the all-time top villains. Classically over the top yet with a nobility and sense of justice. But also, this fucking dude is so convinced of his greatness, he can't not be a villain, to some extent. He has the will-power, strategic mind and fighting prowess of Captain America, the engineering and science acumen of Tony Stark and Reed Richards, the wizardry of Doctor Strange and while he is runner up to all of them, put together he could have been the greatest hero of all (and in his mind, he is).

He fancies himself magnanimous and sometimes does truly brave and even kind things but in the end, it doesn't mean a thing if it doesn't reflect his worldview.

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Really, Doom must be the most fun villain to write.
 

Octopus Prime

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I love the ambiguity that nobody is ever quite sure if the people of Latveria love him, or are too terrified of him to let anyone think otherwise.

I love that Doom never stops to consider people might have a legitimate gripe with him.

I love that Doom once completely obliterated a shining utopia of an alternate world because that version of Doom was humble and deferred to other peoples advice so it was clearly broken beyond repair

I love that Doom has a *meteor gun* stored in his fingers just in case he needs to shoot meteors at people at a moments notice.

I love that even when Doom loses he immediately changes the entire context of everything he was doing so that he can still claim it as a win.

I love that Doom invented time travel, so everyone has to begrudgingly use terminology Doom named after himself when using it.

I love Doom. So much.

Other characters required dozens of issues, sometimes decades waiting for the right creative team, before they took off; Doom was there right from panel one.




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Vaeran

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I can't wait until we find out that Doctor Doom actually is TT's favorite Marvel character, and the guy who came in at #3 was just a Doombot.
 

Adrenaline

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#2: Loki
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AKA: Loki Laufeyson, Ikol
Powers: Super strength, ageless, various magical abilities
First Appearance: Journey Into Mystery #85, 1962
Created By: Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Larry Lieber
Portrayed By: Tom Hiddleston
11 votes, 285 points (Top voter: WildcatJF)

A version of Loki first appeared during the Golden Age in 1949, but Loki as we know and love/hate him today first appeared as antagonist of his adopted brother Thor in 1962. Much like the mythological figure on which he is based, Loki uses deception and trickery to cause mischief for Thor and the other gods of Asgard, intending to take the realm to rule as his own. He also has made trouble for Earth, and it was in fact his actions that caused the Avengers to come together for the first time as a team. Loki is known for his intricate long-term planning, and while he can easily hold his own in a fight thanks to his frost giant heritage and skill with magic, he prefers to defeat his opponents without lifting a finger. While he is traditionally male, he has more recently been depicted as genderfluid, taking on a female form. Sometimes it is part of his evil plotting, but sometimes he just seems to like appearing as a woman.

Loki has had a striking evolution over the last fifteen years or so of Marvel comics. It all started when Norman Osborn was in charge of HAMMER and at his most successful point. Loki manipulated Norman into launching an attack on Asgardia that he knew would fail. He then heroically sacrificed his own life in the battle to gain Thor's trust. He had previously gotten Hela to remove his name from her records, so instead of appearing in Hel, he was reborn as a younger version of himself. The new Loki was genuinely a good kid, who despite the lack of trust others had in him, wanted to do the right thing. Secretly though, the original Loki had kept his spirit safe in the form of a bird named Ikol. Ikol created a situation where Loki had to give up his life to protect the world from Mephisto, allowing Ikol to gain control of the body. He was now returned to life, but unexpectedly, enough of the new Loki still remained that he was racked with guilt at his own actions. Loki spent time with the Young Avengers, during which he was haunted by his other self and his body was aged into an adult form, and later he became an agent for the All-Mother of Asgard. Because of the changes he went through, Loki has become much more of an ambivalent, anti-hero character rather than a villain. He still schemes and plots, but it is less in the name of his own power and more in defense of his adopted home of Asgard.

The Loki of the MCU has followed a similar path. Played by Tom Hiddleston, Loki appeared as an antagonist in Thor and the first Avengers movie. However, over time he became a reluctant ally, and even the reluctance seemed to fade over the course of the Thor sequels. He died in Infinity War, but in an alternate timeline he managed to escape his fate and end up captured by the Time Variance Authority. This version of the character shifted into a more heroic character rather quickly, but not enough to prevent his female alternate self from distrusting him, leading to another timeline shift that will play out in the future. Tom Hiddleston is very good in the role, playing his evil and sympathetic sides equally convincingly. Much like RDJ, Hiddleston is key to the character's mainstream popularity. Loki is a really fun villain, and his character arc that started in Kieron Gillen's Journey Into Mystery run is one of my favorites for any of Marvel's characters.

The list will conclude on Monday with the #1 pick.
 
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(He, Him)
#2: Loki
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AKA: Loki Laufeyson, Ikol
Powers: Super strength, ageless, various magical abilities
First Appearance: Journey Into Mystery #85, 1962
Created By: Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Larry Lieber
Portrayed By: Tom Hiddleston
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A version of Loki first appeared during the Golden Age in 1949, but Loki as we know and love/hate him today first appeared as antagonist of his adopted brother Thor in 1962. Much like the mythological figure on which he is based, Loki uses deception and trickery to cause mischief for Thor and the other gods of Asgard, intending to take the realm to rule as his own. He also has made trouble for Earth, and it was in fact his actions that caused the Avengers to come together for the first time as a team. Loki is known for his intricate long-term planning, and while he can easily hold his own in a fight thanks to his frost giant heritage and skill with magic, he prefers to defeat his opponents without lifting a finger. While he is traditionally male, he has more recently been depicted as genderfluid, taking on a female form. Sometimes it is part of his evil plotting, but sometimes he just seems to like appearing as a woman.

Loki has had a striking evolution over the last fifteen years or so of Marvel comics. It all started when Norman Osborn was in charge of HAMMER and at his most successful point. Loki manipulated Norman into launching an attack on Asgardia that he knew would fail. He then heroically sacrificed his own life in the battle to gain Thor's trust. He had previously gotten Hela to remove his name from her records, so instead of appearing in Hel, he was reborn as a younger version of himself. The new Loki was genuinely a good kid, who despite the lack of trust others had in him, wanted to do the right thing. Secretly though, the original Loki had kept his spirit safe in the form of a bird named Ikol. Ikol created a situation where Loki had to give up his life to protect the world from Mephisto, allowing Ikol to gain control of the body. He was now returned to life, but unexpectedly, enough of the new Loki still remained that he was racked with guilt at his own actions. Loki spent time with the Young Avengers, during which he was haunted by his other self and his body was aged into an adult form, and later he became an agent for the All-Mother of Asgard. Because of the changes he went through, Loki has become much more of an ambivalent, anti-hero character rather than a villain. He still schemes and plots, but it is less in the name of his own power and more in defense of his adopted home of Asgard.

The Loki of the MCU has followed a similar path. Played by Tom Hiddleston, Loki appeared as an antagonist in Thor and the first Avengers movie. However, over time he became a reluctant ally, and even the reluctance seemed to fade over the course of the Thor sequels. He died in Infinity War, but in an alternate timeline he managed to escape his fate and end up captured by the Time Variance Authority. This version of the character shifted into a more heroic character rather quickly, but not enough to prevent his female alternate self from distrusting him, leading to another timeline shift that will play out in the future. Tom Hiddleston is very good in the role, playing his evil and sympathetic sides equally convincingly. Much like RDJ, Hiddleston is key to the character's mainstream popularity. Loki is a really fun villain, and his character arc that started in Kieron Gillen's Journey Into Mystery run is one of my favorites for any of Marvel's characters.

The list will conclude on Monday with the #1 pick.
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