"The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles" will be released on Switch, PS4, and Steam on July 27 (in English)

[Violentvixen]

I did not catch that on mine and am highly amused.

 

[WisteriaHysteria]

Here's a launch trailer for the game that shows off the ENG dub cast:

Most of them sound pretty good for a dub! Ryuunosuke sounds kinda like a weenie, but it sorta fits and hopefully that voice sample is meant to be from very early in the game before he finds his mojo. And it's also extremely applauseworthy they brought in a half-Japanese guy to play Ryuunosuke. And Rina Takasaki as Susato should be held up as an exemplar of what dubs should be doing for situations like this, she's incredible. It's actually rather jarring to have Ben Deery as Kazuma voice sampled right after her, who can't pronounce Japanese words for the life of him.
I'll be playing the game in JP but I might actually give this one a go w/ dub if when I replay it in the future.

 

[Sprite]

Is there a way to speed up the text on first view? I know that letting the text crawl out has been a thing since game one, and that there’s artistic intent behind it, but I just do not have the patience for it anymore.

 

[Becksworth]

Yeah. I want to say the text crawl is actually slower than in the original trilogy games since it is giving space for the more intricate 3D animations to complete, but I haven’t seen a side by side comparison. There is a text skip option in the menu, but I haven’t tested how that works in practice yet.

 

[WisteriaHysteria]

I'd have to boot up the Switch version of the game to make sure, but p.sure the text skip is click once to make the whole line load, click again to advance. IIRC there's also dialog history so if you blow through a line you don't mean to, you can just pause and go back to read. At least, that's how I remember things working on the 3DS, but it's been a year or so, so my memory is fuzzy.

 

[Becksworth]

Okay yeah, got to test it on my lunch break. That is much better.

 

[Paul le Fou]

Hey, apparently on the Switch's digital store, you can buy a bundle of both the original Ace Attorney trilogy, and this new Great Ace Attorney duology for $10 less than if you were to buy them a la carte. (So, $60 instead of $40+$30) That's kinda nifty. I'd probably take them up on that if I hadn't already physically bought Great Ace Attorney three times.

WHY DID I NOT SEE THIS IN TIME D:

 

[Purple]

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Herlock





Sholmes.

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Anyway it kinda bugs me how there's at least one character here who's clearly the direct ancestor of someone from the original games but they delocalized all the names so any such callbacks die.

I'm not saying I want them to be totally married to all those localization choices and say this Japanese guy with this shrine maiden assistant have come to England from... L.A. and are having to adapt to the lack of hamburgers but... actually I'm not NOT saying that.

 

[WisteriaHysteria]

Anyway it kinda bugs me how there's at least one character here who's clearly the direct ancestor of someone from the original games but they delocalized all the names so any such callbacks die.

If you're talking about Ryuunosuke, it literally says on the box and all the advertisements that he's the ancestor of Phoenix. Capcom has gone out of its way to make sure fans of the old games know this.

If you're talking about Taketsuchi Auchi, his lineage is blatantly obvious in his character design and no fan of the franchise will assume anything else.

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I'm Japanese-American of mixed ancestry. I inherited my Japanese surname from my father, but there's lots of Japanese-Americans whose Japanese side comes from their maternal lineage. Just because they didn't inherit a Japanese name, doesn't make them any less Japanese-American, doesn't dilute their claim to their cultural identity and standing in the community, and neither does not having a pure ancestry. This is a concept very important to our community, and implying the opposite is frankly problematic and offensive. Especially when Japanese-Americans have the highest intermarriage rates of any ethnicity in the country in history by an extremely wide margin. I really don't like the white washing of the previous games in the franchise, but this specific complaint is nonsensical to me. If anything, it makes the scenario feel even more honest/true to reality and helps undo the damage/make up for the whitewashing the original games translations did, while simultaneously not actually undermining anyone's fond memories of burgers but rather the opposite lending it legitimacy that it frankly doesn't deserve. This is especially when one of the game's more meaningful and poignant background themes is about exploring the experience of the Japanese Diaspora. As a Japanese-American, I'm very pleased with the "localization" choices for this game. They've done a better job being respectful than most would have.

Regarding "Herlock Sholmes" - this is a localization choice my gut reaction was against, but honestly I've come to terms with. It actually makes a certain amount of sense in-universe with the story here. That's because The Sherlock Holmes we see in the game is not the Sherlock Holmes from the books. Rather, the books that we know exist in this world and are written as fiction - highly exaggerated and unrealistic accounts of what the actual Sherlock Holmes was doing. Giving the name the ole switcheroo fits that theme well, as it works kind of like a pen name to obscure reality. It kinda works! And even kinda... makes things better???

 

[Purple]

I mean, if I'm more serious about it, the name thing does still bug me not because I remember growing up with, say, the Phantasy Star series, where we have a character from the first game, called Noah in that localization, who then recurs in 2, suddenly being called Lutz, and we visit a completely unrelated dungeon, called Noah, so I'm generally on the side of "I don't care how you localize things as long as you stay consistent. And it's also just kind of stylistically jarring to go from literally everyone has a savagely blunt pun name to... at least one character whose name is definitely a huge pun in Japanese and doesn't translate (which, granted, they didn't try super hard with the first time around).

And yeah I'm not actually down on the lack of trying to shoehorn all the really explicitly Japanese stuff in the original games into "oh this is at least plausibly America because That Did Not Work, and even if it did work, I've never understood the logic behind attempting that sort of thing (beyond I guess, "this is too foreign, let's America everything up!" which is... not good).

And Herlock Sholmes is just... Bob Ghengis Khan levels of actively not trying, so I mean, I genuinely appreciate it.

Also yeah it's a good dub.

 

[WisteriaHysteria]

And it's also just kind of stylistically jarring to go from literally everyone has a savagely blunt pun name to... at least one character whose name is definitely a huge pun in Japanese and doesn't translate

1) Those puns still exist, they're just not in your language. If you really care about 'em, it's [current year] you can easily go look them up to understand them.
2) The majority of the characters in this game are European with names that don't need to be translated. I'd rather there be consistency than to fudge some names and not others.
3) The Japanese identity of these characters are more plot relevant than the silly jokes their names spell out. You can have one or the other, and they made the right choice.
4) There's several characters in this game that are quasi-historical figures whose names aren't punny at all, making punny names is very clearly not a priority for this game versus being able to tell the stories they want to.
5) The whole point of these two games being reboots is that they don't have to be beholden to previous franchise conventions and can try new things.

And Herlock Sholmes is just... Bob Ghengis Khan levels of actively not trying, so I mean, I genuinely appreciate it.

Not only is there well established historical precedent for using "Herlock Sholmes" as an intentionally lazy work around for using Sherlock Holmes without running afoul intellectual property laws, but the whole point of the characters is that they are obviously variations of those classic characters. Messing with their names so that they become unrecognizable goes against the entire point of even using them in the game in the first place.

 

[Sprite]

Taketsuchi Auchi

Ha, I didn’t realize that is the character’s original name, because ”ouchie” is still an English pun and honestly works great as a counterpart to the descendant’s localized name.

 

[WisteriaHysteria]

Ha, I didn’t realize that is the character’s original name, because ”ouchie” is still an English pun and honestly works great as a counterpart to the descendant’s localized name.

"Ouchie" being a homophone of Auchi is actually the intended pun of the original character in the original AA games!

 

[shivam]

I mean, if I'm more serious about it, the name thing does still bug me not because I remember growing up with, say, the Phantasy Star series, where we have a character from the first game, called Noah in that localization, who then recurs in 2, suddenly being called Lutz, and we visit a completely unrelated dungeon, called Noah, so I'm generally on the side of "I don't care how you localize things as long as you stay consistent. And it's also just kind of stylistically jarring to go from literally everyone has a savagely blunt pun name to... at least one character whose name is definitely a huge pun in Japanese and doesn't translate (which, granted, they didn't try super hard with the first time around).

And yeah I'm not actually down on the lack of trying to shoehorn all the really explicitly Japanese stuff in the original games into "oh this is at least plausibly America because That Did Not Work, and even if it did work, I've never understood the logic behind attempting that sort of thing (beyond I guess, "this is too foreign, let's America everything up!" which is... not good).

And Herlock Sholmes is just... Bob Ghengis Khan levels of actively not trying, so I mean, I genuinely appreciate it.

Also yeah it's a good dub.

Arsène Lupin versus Herlock Sholmes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Herlock is from the old Lupin stories, because the author couldn't use actual Sherlock =)

 

[Kalir]

"The Adventure of the Blossoming Lawyer" is incredibly gay and I'm here for it

 

[Purple]

Arsène Lupin versus Herlock Sholmes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Herlock is from the old Lupin stories, because the author couldn't use actual Sherlock =)

Excellent.

 

[Sprite]

Arsène Lupin versus Herlock Sholmes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Herlock is from the old Lupin stories, because the author couldn't use actual Sherlock =)

Oh man, someone needs to bring back “Holmlock Shears.”

 

[WisteriaHysteria]

"The Adventure of the Blossoming Lawyer" is incredibly gay and I'm here for it

Ryuunosuke is about as straight as they come, and he needs to be for plot reasons because we've got to keep up the charade that this game is connected meaningfully to the original Ace Attorney games and mans has to procreate. But there's always been a playful exuberance to Ace Attorney games that just exude wholesome gayness and these two games might be the apex of that trend?

Spoiler

Like, you really can't convince me that Ryuunosuke and Sherlock weren't secretly shagging same with Phoenix and Edgey

 

[Bongo]

The shipping bait does seem more potent than I remember from the original trilogy, but then, I'm only halfway through the first case. I'm only posting because I wanted to register my appreciation for Ryunosuke's feeble little desk slap as an untrained amateur.

 

[WisteriaHysteria]

Yeah, that is literally the moment where I first fell in love with the game back when I first played it Bongo. There's so many delightful little details in this game like that, that give all the characters and the world so much rich texture and depth.

If you guys are enjoying GAAC, considering filling out this Capcom survey on the game/franchise:

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Capcom is a dumbo Japanese company that thus puts a big emphasis on these sorts of things, and they're very clearly gauging interest in making more Ace Attorney titles. The survey is really weirdly specific and mildly long, but I encourage everyone to fill it out who bought or intend to buy the game so we can maybe apply a little public pressure on Capcom here to do the right thing.

 

[Kirin]

Can I use it to tell them to make MegaMan Legends 3?

(.... sorry, I'll show myself out.)

 

[Droewyn]

Filled out the survey! I did pause for a very long time on the "Age" field, as that number will be changing in about nine hours.

 

[spines]

picked this up saturday, have been working through more or less a case a day, though that might slow up given the indication that i may have finally reached the point of the more traditional multi-phase cases. or maybe they're not a thing in this game, who knows? the first case was certainly longer than i expected...

this is the first one i've played since 4, so it's a little wild to come back and see so many games of presentational development and adjustments to mechanics hit at once. and even with this one running through some story elements very similar to the big beats of the early games in quick succession, the new setting and characters do so much to make it all feel fresh again. sholmes is a perfect combination of genius and unrestrained idiot for the story and game, and zieks is just...already in the running for my favorite prosecutor in basically every way. i'm having a really good time.

 

[Rascally Badger]

I am finally getting into this. I was kind of shocked at how the second case progressed. In that there was no trial, it was just investigation.

 

[WisteriaHysteria]

If that shocked you, wait until the next case. GAA spends a lot of its creative juices finding clever ways to subvert the expectations/tropes of the franchise previously in ways that are just really fun and delightful if you're open to it.

 

[Violentvixen]

I'm only posting because I wanted to register my appreciation for Ryunosuke's feeble little desk slap as an untrained amateur.

I got through the first case and absolutely loved this detail (and his little shocked glance at the lack of noise), but then loved the fact that as his confidence improved the slap power increased in consistency in the case. I'm hoping this keeps up and they have the animation budget to show these changes, because seeing a character grow in this way is really cool.

And holy crap I hit the "record that" button so hard when the swan lady got cornered and all the cygnets were raining down in the courtroom. Loved it.

However, I'm not really liking case 2 so far. Herlock is really annoying, I'm getting tired of the weird throw slapstick joke and Susato just seems like a really inconsistent character so far. I also I really liked Kazuma and am very bummed he's dead this early in the game, without him there's a distinct lack of capable, calm characters. Plus I thought the discussions of the fledgling court system in Japan were really interesting, and I wanted to spend more time there. I haven't read many of the spoilers in this thread so maybe I do go back later. But I'm still into the game and the fact that they spoiled the Speckled Band in the intro is intriguing to me, it's one of my favourite stories so I figure there's a twist of some kind in this?

Also a very personal thing is that being falsely accused, even just the threat of it in fiction, hits me hard and makes me really uncomfortable as it's something I panic about in real life. I'd calmed down by the end of the first case but I was not at all ready to start off the second with the same premise, and my heart was pounding so hard I could hear it in my ears. Going to take a break and come back to this. I'd like to be prepared though, does having the main character start as the suspect continue through the game?

 

[Purple]

I'm at like the exact same point as you and really hoping it does because that'd be a hilarious running gag.

 

[shivam]

Also a very personal thing is that being falsely accused, even just the threat of it in fiction, hits me hard and makes me really uncomfortable as it's something I panic about in real life. I'd calmed down by the end of the first case but I was not at all ready to start off the second with the same premise, and my heart was pounding so hard I could hear it in my ears. Going to take a break and come back to this. I'd like to be prepared though, does having the main character start as the suspect continue through the game?

At case 3 it starts to become more a traditional Ace Attorney game where you're the defense lawyer, and not the defendant. This continues with case 4 as well. (that's where i'm at).

 

[Dark Medusa]

To be clear, I've finished the game and it is fantastic and I hope y'all enjoy the ride:

There have been cases in the past games where you were both defendant and the defending attorney; this one is weird in that you're the defendant in the first two cases. But (spoilers for a basic detail about the rest of GAA1) you're never the defendant again.

But I wanted to fight against the notion that this isn't "traditional" Ace Attorney, since being the defendant tends to happen not too uncommonly. What is weird is (GAA1 Case 2 premise spoiler) case 2 doesn't have a court scene at all.

 

[WisteriaHysteria]

Herlock is really annoying, I'm getting tired of the weird throw slapstick joke and Susato just seems like a really inconsistent character so far. I also I really liked Kazuma and am very bummed he's dead this early in the game, without him there's a distinct lack of capable, calm characters.

Sherlock is definitely meant to be annoying and off putting in the first case, but as you get to know him he becomes a lot of fun. Kazuma dying is indeed a bummer, and you might be even more bummed with the conclusion of Case 2. But I'm fine with it over all. It's a very obvious mirror to losing your mentor-character in the first game. The calm and capable characters are there, you just haven't met them yet or gotten to know them better. Particularly Mr Naruhodo basically has to be this for himself, he's very much a straight man act for the rest of the cast to bounce off of.

Plus I thought the discussions of the fledgling court system in Japan were really interesting, and I wanted to spend more time there. I haven't read many of the spoilers in this thread so maybe I do go back later. But I'm still into the game and the fact that they spoiled the Speckled Band in the intro is intriguing to me, it's one of my favourite stories so I figure there's a twist of some kind in this?

There's lots of twists. Also basic plot structure spoiler you spend some time back in Japan in the 2nd game. I agree that stuff is interesting, the game gets to touch on a lot of interesting stuff. Just wait until the 4th Case and who you gotta defend there.