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The DC Comics TV & Movie Thread - A Thread for Talking about Detective Comics Comics Television Shows and Movies

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LOUDSKULL
(DUDE/BRO)
You don't create a market cap loss of 20 BILLION WITH A B dollars and then walk into the shareholders meeting with your head held high, confident that everything is fine and nobody wants to feed you to the wolves.
 

jpfriction

(He, Him)
Oh I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets canned but everything that got pulled/cancelled is going to stay that way if he does. They get to not pay those residuals and blame it all on one guy. #winning
 

Adrenaline

Post Reader
(He/Him)
They were expecting to lose market cap since they took on so much debt when they bought WB and Zazlav was supposed to come in and cut costs, and that never looks pretty. Probably not this much, though.
 
I just don't know why creative talent would willingly work with WBD in the future if this is how they treat their people. The damage goes way beyond just number crunching, they're turning their company into a pariah overnight.
 

Bongo

excused from moderation duty
(he/him)
Staff member
I mean, I certainly canceled my subscription. That's a number they'll pay attention to.
 

ThornGhost

lofi posts to relax/study to
(he/him)

Admittedly I haven't paid the most attention to this since I'm not much of a DC fan, but the linked article says that none of the VFX work had been done on Batgirl yet. I don't know exactly how much of the budget of a modern super hero movie is VFX but my gut is that's most of the cost of a film.

Dumping a film with principal photog done but not VFX seems like a reasonable financial move if it was turning out to be a stinker.
 

Johnny Unusual

(He/Him)
Considering David Zaslav is putting all his money on the Ezra Miller Flash movie, I'm not trusting the judgment of this "Male Skewed" creep. People put in year of blood sweat and tears for a movie to be deleted. That's awful.
 
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ThornGhost

lofi posts to relax/study to
(he/him)
Yeah, that's fair. I'm certainly not defending the overall business direction, "justifications" coming from the brass, or the executives themselves.

Like I said, I'm only tangentially aware of the issue, but my takeaway from the scuttlebutt I've heard was essentially "the movie is done but they won't release it" and if the VFX aren't in place that's just nowhere near the case. Probably less true than more true when you consider the overall amount of work done on a comic book movie.
 

Johnny Unusual

(He/Him)
If it was like Ms. Marvel, whivh they did, then it would be fine in the non-superhero or lighter superhero stuff and less interesting in the main conflict.
 

Johnny Unusual

(He/Him)
Well, while we don't be getting Batgirl, or the promised Bruce Timm Batman cartoon, or Young Justice S5, or a bevy of other projects, it's good to know that we're still getting...


BATWHEELS
This looks bad in general but in particular, I do not like that Joker design. That said, Ethan Hawke is not a bad choice for a Batman voice. It's just weird he's voicing what is clearly a Deidrich Baker Batman.
 
A kids cartoon where the Batmobile comes to life sounds so delightful in a vacuum
It's honestly probably a decent kids show. But it's also very obviously for very small tikes to the degree where adults won't get much if anything out of it. Like a Batman-flavored Paw Patrol.
 

Torzelbaum

????? LV 13 HP 292/ 292
(he, him, his)
Sorry, I did not know or remember that. I find it surprising that Mr. Zaslav isn't bothered by that since WBD is supposedly trying to appeal to "middle America".
 

Positronic Brain

Out Of Warranty
(He/him)
There's lot of sunken money in the Flash movie and Ezra Miller can still pass as a cis white het male. Expect their gender to be massively downplayed in their apology tour.
 

Büge

Arm Candy
(she/her)
I just don't know why creative talent would willingly work with WBD in the future if this is how they treat their people. The damage goes way beyond just number crunching, they're turning their company into a pariah overnight.
I understand that agents and studios are probably going to have specific clauses in their contracts going forward that prevent media companies from dumping their work into the void. Animators, artists, and studios rely on their output being available for portfolio review, and if it's gone, they can't get work.
 
The wild thing to me is part of the headache and financial problems WB found itself in to begin with, was their pandemic policy of films going straight to HBO Max - which pissed off a whole bunch of Hollywood talent since it breached trust and contracts. A lot of bridges were burned with actors and talent agencies where pay structures based on theater revenues were undermined by that act, and theater groups lost their collective shit at the perception of WB trying to put them out of business. So the solution to that all is... to do something even worse?
 

Rascally Badger

El Capitan de la outro espacio
(He/Him)
The wild thing to me is part of the headache and financial problems WB found itself in to begin with, was their pandemic policy of films going straight to HBO Max - which pissed off a whole bunch of Hollywood talent since it breached trust and contracts. A lot of bridges were burned with actors and talent agencies where pay structures based on theater revenues were undermined by that act, and theater groups lost their collective shit at the perception of WB trying to put them out of business. So the solution to that all is... to do something even worse?

The thing is, that mostly worked. They paid a whole lot of money, smoothed it over with almost everyone (I think Christopher Nolan went elsewhere for his next movie when he'd been strictly WB for a decade or two), and really reaped the rewards in terms of subscribers to HBO Max. It cost money now, but the play set them up for future success. Unless someone comes along and dismantles their streaming service before they can capitalize on it.
 

Rascally Badger

El Capitan de la outro espacio
(He/Him)
I was long a defender of the show, and I still like those middle seasons okay (3-5 or so), but the cast attrition has just kind of left nothing here. I had problems with the show's season long plots, but I enjoyed spending an hour a week with Barry and the crew. And though I think the effort to switch to several shorter arcs per season has been somewhat successful, the loss of the cast hurts. No Cisco, no Wells, only a little Joe. No Ralph (I'm not complaining about the actors loss, but he was one of the few good new characters brought in). I don't hate Allegra or Chester, I just don't care about them. That and they've burned through all the good (and the bad) Flash villains by now. There really isn't much left.

I like to think there is a version of the show where Captain Cold and Heat Wave weren't snapped up for Legends and we got a full season about the Rogues, but alas.
 

Adrenaline

Post Reader
(He/Him)
It's worth noting that a different parent company than the current one is responsible for the all-theatrical-releases-of-2021-on-HBO-Max decision
 

Johnny Unusual

(He/Him)
Ironically, I watched an insane amount of the DC shows to get to Crisis and now that my dad cancelled his Crave account... I think I'll wait till he picks it back up to finish it.

I will say, the last thing I watched was Black Lightning and it's a show that often could be as clunky as any of the other shows often were but it has some really bright spots to it and genuinely good moments. A flawed show but one of the best and most interesting of the Arrowverse.
 

Rascally Badger

El Capitan de la outro espacio
(He/Him)
I really liked Black Lightning; it struggled with its messaging sometimes but its heart was in the right place.

The Flash S8 finale was pure, dull nonsense. I know last season they introduced the idea that if there is a Speed Force, then their may be other Forces as well, but that dumb and it sucked. So of course they brought it back for this season. Of course, the show also had to make the creation/empowerment of the 'negative forces' Barry's fault, because he's not allowed to fix a problem without it causing at least two problems.

But at least Iris's 'time sickness' was cured. And everyone understood what that was about and how she was cured.
 
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