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The Better Call Saul Thread - Guilty as Cinnabon

Sarcasmorator

Same as I ever was
(He/him)
Breaking Bad was about a man who let the monster out; one that was always there. Walt dies but it's arguably not a downfall; he did all the things he wanted and went out on his own terms in the end, surrounded by the relics of his success.

Better Call Saul is a proper tragedy. For Saul, for Kim, and for Mike in particular, and to a degree for Nacho. All of them are brought low in one way or another by their own actions and inability to fight their own worst impulses. We really see the downward path for all of them, and only Kim manages to pull up in time.

Lalo is fantastic fun as a character but he's just as cruel and volatile as the rest of his family. He just has a better mask over it.
 

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elementary my dear baxter
I don't think Kim does pull up in time. Pulling up in time would have been going to that meeting instead of turning around to finish the prank when Saul would have just canceled it and been happy for her pursuing a better opportunity. It is ultimately the action that leads to the chain of events that leads to Howard being in the wrong place at the wrong time and she knows it. It wasn't anyone's fault that Lalo shot him, but Howard wouldn't have been there at that time if she hadn't turned around.

She wasn't wrong to want to leave after what happened to Howard, but it is notable that both of them may have actually been worse for it. Saul certainly didn't get better without her around, and while she didn't aid any murderous druglords, she stopped doing the good that she was doing, and she was poised to do some big things. They did bring out the worst in each other, but also the best.

She's miserable in her new life. Devoid of good food, good conversation, interesting or fulfilling work. She didn't die or go to jail (yet), but she's in a prison all the same.
 

Sarcasmorator

Same as I ever was
(He/him)
She pulls up in time to not die or end up in prison for life. That's more than Mike, Saul, or Nacho manage. She had a tragic fall as well, but not as far.
 

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elementary my dear baxter
Even if it's just prison visits to share smokes and catch up, I do still hope that those two find a way to be together again. Now that they've chosen to atone for their sins, I think they deserve to have what happiness they can give each other. I like to think the cigarette being in color is a spark of hope for that.
 

Johnny Unusual

(He/Him)
Even if it's just prison visits to share smokes and catch up, I do still hope that those two find a way to be together again. Now that they've chosen to atone for their sins, I think they deserve to have what happiness they can give each other. I like to think the cigarette being in color is a spark of hope for that.
I think some people saw that as their last visit or something but I think they will see each other but it will be, at most, maybe once or twice a year. I think Kim has a chance at a better life now that she's working and not punishing herself with a nothing life (it's clear her world is largely based on her indecision, which is devastating since one of her greatest virtues is being thoughtfully and thoroughly decisive) and in a weird way, so does Jimmy, but while they can still have a friendship, I think they aren't going to see each other often, they are just going to connect on a rare occasion.
Jimmy's in jail but ironically I think this gives him a hope to. No, no freedom of the body but it's clear he has a life in prison, rough as it is. People respect him. I actually think though Jimmy won't be running fun schemes, I do think he knows enough to keep his eyes open for any injustices towards his fellow prisoners and his legal expertise can help a lot. But it wouldn't look as cool or as exciting as it has been before.
 

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elementary my dear baxter
So, I'm thinking about the scene where Kim breaks down down on the bus. The reason for it. I have two theories, and they're probably not mutually exclusive, but...

Kim cries because she's just really scared of the consequences she's opened herself up to. She could end up in jail, or permanently financially ruined, or both. I mean, even though she did it to clear her conscience once and for all and live again, which is the right choice and the morally good thing to do I think. I would rather that than she die in Suburban Hell. And it might not even be a sad cry. It could be one of those really intense relief cries and I've had one or two of those so I get it.

Alternately she's crying because the reason she's doing it is because she told Jimmy to do the same thing, and she won't be a hypocrite about it. And because of that she had to stop herself from saying what she really really wanted, which was to tell him to meet her somewhere and escape together, or run for as long as they can until they got caught but at least they'll be together. Hell it's kind of the ending I was hoping for, in a bit of an irrational romantic way.

I predicted Walt's ending pretty accurately based on what I had seen by the halfway point of the final season. After Hank dies I knew that it was going to end with Walt attacking the nazis with a machine gun to free Jesse. It was just a matter of how he was going to do it. And I'm not saying I'm a genius for this, they telegraphed it very obviously.

So the ending I had predicted for Better Call Saul by he time Howard dies was this: They find the remains of Lalo and Howard beneath the meth facility and this opens up suspicion into the circumstances of Howard's death. This naturally leads back into an interest in Kim and Jimmy by the police and knowing that Jimmy is Saul Goodman, who was in fact connected to all of this all along, they would go after Kim and hard. She would end up on trial for Howard's death. And what I pictured happening was Gene seeing it on the news, and deciding to blow his cover and come out as Saul Goodman on purpose, not to save her necessarily, but to make sure she's not facing it alone. And in that case they probably don't get to be in a room together again for a long long time at least, but it's a big famous case: Ex-Spouses Tried For Completely Different Crimes Yet Somehow Also Tied To The Very Same Sequence of Criminal Events. Lots of publicity, book deals, interviews. And at those times where Kim and Jimmy get to tell their story, they do so in a way where the other will know what they are saying to each other if they should ever see it.

The real ending was a lot sadder for the most part. Understandably so.
 

Johnny Unusual

(He/Him)
The real ending was a lot sadder for the most part. Understandably so.
True but it's also a lot more hopeful than Breaking Bad, from a humanist perspective. Walt gets an ending on his terms but he's still awful, even if he does one good thing in freeing Jesse. Some people might see that as "redemption". I don't. He's a bad guy who kind of got the death he would want. Jimmy, on the other hand, doesn't exactly redeem himself with his grand gesture but he finally truly accepts responsibility despite not having to worry about consequences and re-discovers his humanity. And that counts for a lot. I love that we do get one last awesome Saul maneuver, but then the hope comes with him blowing it up.

Headcanon; They let Jimmy run movie night. Many of the prisoners would rather watch newer movies but are pretty respectful to Saul's 70's cinema choices (and way too many reruns of Ice Station Zebra).

Rhea Seehorn is someone who deserves to be in all the things and her not getting an Emmy yet is criminal.
 

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elementary my dear baxter
I also think one of Walt's more underrated sins is giving Hector a victorious death as well. I don't care how much suffering Gus inflicted on him, Hector did not deserve to die with the satisfaction of revenge.
 

Sprite

(He/Him/His)
That last flashback with Walt is such a perfect encapsulation of that character. A man raging so obsessively over every hardship that he forces everyone around him into his orbit and then rages at them for "bothering" him.
 

Vaeran

(GRUNTING)
(he/him)
Everyone remembers the explosive finale of Breaking Bad's fourth season. But did you know they filmed an alternate ending where Gus survives? And someone was kind enough to upload it to Youtube this week. Let's take a look.
 
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