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Star Trek: Discovery - Disco isn't dead

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We watched the last two episodes back to back and they make a nice little movie. They’re both really, really good episodes, and I like that after last season’s big ol’ space battle they had this season’s climax focused on a hijacking. Orion Cersei is a pretty thin character but she makes for a swell Die Hard villain.

Putting Burnham in the Captain’s chair is puzzling to me when they spent so much of the season establishing that she doesn’t do well in positions of authority and in fact does a lot better when she’s a bit of a wildcard. Obviously they could have her grow into that role but it felt kind of sudden here.

I would be pissed about Saru but they’ve reassured everyone that he’ll be back in action next season, so phew.

The Sphere Data getting more and more ingrained into the ship feels like the series arc. I’m wondering if the final season will revolve around it.


Anyway, this is a spectacular season that did a great job establishing a new setting and teeing up a great hook for next season.
 
Maybe even a lot of Discovery is like a wonky Doctor Who episode?
Thank you for summarizing why Discovery and these newer Star Trek shows don't bother me like they do some fans; these shows are just... fundamentally different. I couldn't have drawn such a perfect comparison. Though I'm just so happy they're not in some random parallel dimension like the late 00s movies.

dare we speculate a season of Capt. Tilley?
I just hope she gets promoted to Lieutenant yesterday we're given the pleasure to see her hit Commander for a time. Make her Captain at the end sure, I just want to see her promoted. I keep thinking of ENSIGN Harry Kim of Voyager. I think the way I'd do it is promote her to some form of Lieutenant between seasons and then bump her to Commander mid season. After that do whatever. I'll never get my ideal of her being LT in S2, LT. Comm. in S3, and Comm. for S4. In the end its just titles though, especially with post-Enterprise Trek. It just isn't handled the same way it was back then.
(Of course I also love Saru and hope he continues to be around in some capacity. Speaking of which, the last two episodes were I think the first time I've ever seen Doug Jones getting to act *not* in a fancy latex suit - turns out he can do that just fine!)
He's incredible. And stuck to so much of the nonverbal behavior that Saru has as a Kelpian.
Putting Burnham in the Captain’s chair is puzzling
I've said it before but if she's a Captain beholden to Starfleet Command then she needs some special autonomy since its been shown and spoken to directly in this season's last episode that she doesn't act according to the orthodoxy but her judgement is special and worthy of a platform. Although the Admiral did mention he was wrong about his judgement of Burnham's methods. Maybe Starfleet will change to accommodate her.

Heh, my only issue with the entire season was how MASSIVE the Discovery's turbolift system was in that last episode. Kinda checked a bit there, but whatever - for me it was like ignoring a visible boom mic; who cares if the show is good overall.
 
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Oh, also, Andorian dude’s death was metal af. That character had a good arc for what little screen time he got. A nice Trekian example of someone realizing they’re part of something bigger.
 
and then... dare we speculate a season of Capt. Tilley?
I think it's pretty unlikely. Unless Sonequa wants out of the show at some point. (Which I wouldn't blame her for.) Discovery has always been the Michael Burnham show, with Sonequa at the top of the billing. First Officer Tilly to me, always felt like part of Season 3's recalibrating of the show into a more traditional Star Trek, and slotting Tilly into a real role on the ship instead of being a positionless Ensign. I think what's more likely is that Culber gets promoted to Chief Medical Officer in S4 instead, but there isn't the same urgency with that when nobody has really complained much about the Medical Resident being the one with all the screen time over the CMO.
Putting Burnham in the Captain’s chair is puzzling to me when they spent so much of the season establishing that she doesn’t do well in positions of authority and in fact does a lot better when she’s a bit of a wildcard. Obviously they could have her grow into that role but it felt kind of sudden here.
Related to above, I don't really find it puzzling in retrospect. In fact, the season really was one big long test of leadership for her. It wasn't that she has problems in positions of authority this season, what happened was that she had problems dealing with authority/taking orders. I actually really appreciated this arc for her this season, because it felt like the character finally came to terms with their past and examined/evaluated her fitness as an officer, which never really happened previously and frankly needed to happen after her insurrection in S1.

And it also asked and examined of the character, "Why are you even in Starfleet to begin with?" Because as you recall, she only joined Starfleet because Sarek placed her there, not because she originally felt it was her calling or had a fundamental belief in the institutions/service. S3 had her operating independently for a year so that she could better explore who she was as a person for the first time, without context of the expectations of others. Her problems reintegrating back with the crew were more about obedience rather than poor performance. Every time her fitness/performance as an officer was critiqued this season in some aspect, we see her genuinely self-reflect and take in the criticisms, and then avoid making the same mistakes the next time such a scenario presents itself. And once she had her personal epiphany in Unification III and realized that she is a true believer in Starfleet and that's where she wants to be, it was smooth sailing for her the rest of the season.

Add to that, and getting back to the point I made to Kirin above, this is the Michael Burnham show. If you go back to interviews and comiccon panels when they were first trying to pitch the show before/during Season 1, the way they repeatedly described Disco and Burnham was that this was going to be a unique show where we get to experience Burnham's rise to become captain. This was always the goal, it's just been a long road, gettin' from there to here. The move to captain should resolve a lot of people's "issues" with the character, so long as they remain open minded about things. Since again, her problems as an officer, stemming back to her original mutiny, was that she was a character who felt she was right in a situation (and let's be honest, she was right pretty much every time) but still had to follow orders. And now that she's captain, that won't really be an issue anymore since she's the one in command now.
Heh, my only issue with the entire season was how MASSIVE the Discovery's turbolift system was in that last episode. Kinda checked a bit there, but whatever - for me it was like ignoring a visible boom mic; who cares if the show is good overall.
Agreed. This wasn't the first time this happened either. Those big cavernous areas were present in Sesaon 2 on the Enterprise IIRC. It doesn't jive with technical images in the background of the ship's layout, or any previous descriptions of Starships outside of the reboot films. But it doesn't phase me much anymore. Trek has always flown fast and loose with canon (Enterprise-A having 100+ decks, and so forth) and it just takes some creative thinking to reconcile it if you want to. For example:

Recall Star Trek: Enterprise S2E16 "Future Tense" - Archer and the crew discovered a damaged, derelict time ship from the 31st Century. And while investigating the ship, they discover it has TARDIS, bigger-on-the-inside tech. So it's totally within the realm of possibility that during the Discovery's retrofit, that big cavern was part of the upgrade process.
 
Welp. S4 of Disco keeps chugging along. It's so far been, thru four episodes, pretty good to outstanding on a regular basis. Leaning more to the outstanding side. This most recent episode had an A and B plot. The B plot being Ni'Var rejoining the Federation, and Burnham/Saru getting to flex some of their diplomatic strength. The A plot then, was Lt Tilly babysitting some fresh faced cadets on a training mission that goes south in a hurry. It both was a Tilly showcase of her abilities and strengths as an officer, and also a classic crashed shuttle episode. This might have been the best episode of Disco to date, except it ends with Tilly being written off the show!? I'm actually devastated.
 

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Yeah that was very surprising... so I just poked around a bit and it doesn't look like she's leaving the show or franchise permanently or anything. Specifically they've promised we'll see her again this season. Obviously she won't be around as much and that sucks, but it's not like the character's suddenly been written out entirely for off-screen reasons or anything. There's also some joking around about possible Academy spin-offs but I don't think it's very serious at the moment.
 
Yeah that was very surprising... so I just poked around a bit and it doesn't look like she's leaving the show or franchise permanently or anything. Specifically they've promised we'll see her again this season. Obviously she won't be around as much and that sucks, but it's not like the character's suddenly been written out entirely for off-screen reasons or anything. There's also some joking around about possible Academy spin-offs but I don't think it's very serious at the moment.
The interviews and press material go out of their way to say
she's not gone forever and that she'll come back at some point in this season. Which to me is a given. She's here for the season, and you wrote her off the ship this early. She'll show back up again. But to me it felt like a pretty obvious PR speak for softening the blow to anyone who was a fan of Tilly (like myself!). I don't expect she's exiled forever. She'll show up from time to time like Wesley did in TNG for special guest star status for an episode here and there. But whatever the reasons were behind the scenes for this change, it definitely felt like in the moment, the exit was something with a lot of finality to it. And for a show that's so honest about its intentions and telegraphs its themes so transparently, this feels like the end and I'm willing to put a hefty amount of latinum on that fact. It's also worth noting that in the Ready Room interview, her actress spent some time discussing some of her upcoming projects, like a broadway production. Which 1) feels like the kind of time commitment that you don't make when you're a main character on an active TV show that demands a lot of attention and time for filming. Anyways, she'll be missed. I liked her, even if the show really didn't know how to handle her character optimally.

Anywho, in this week's episode: boy do I sure love Culber and Stamets. They're so freaking good. I'm glad they're giving Hugh more time and development. Some people complain about the bridge crew not being more reflective of past shows, but I'm happy with the characters we do focus on, tbh. I'm also generally thrilled with how this season is going. It's found a really good balance between its long term plots and making the individual episodes more self-contained stories. And in general the character drama, the writing, all of it's really hit a stride here. I'm not gonna lie, it feels pretty rewarding to have stuck with the show this long and have your faith it in validated by how much it's grown and improved over the seasons. It generally feels pretty exhilarating to have this much new Star Trek in our lives and have most if not all of it be really good to fantastic.
 

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Yeah Paul and Hugh continue to be fantastic and I love them. Also, as someone who’s partner is currently working on a social work degree to become a therapist, we’re really appreciating the focus on therapy and the fact that dealing with emotions and feelings is important work.
 
The writers are really knocking it out of the park on Disco this year. Good to see them give Grey something to do and not just busywork trying to slot them into a predetermined role on the ship, but in a way that helped the situation in a sort of organic way that was informed by their perspective and talents. And in general, was a great ensemble episode.

Loved the way Jonathan Frakes framed a lot of the episode. The guy is a legitimately good director, and it's a shame his directing career was cut short because of factors outside of his control with Insurrection.

The discussion on emotions in this episode seemed directly pointed at Disco-detractors, both spelling out the show's continued focus on emotions, as well as demonstrating an undeniable amount of character growth for Burnham who we've seen - over the course of the show - slowly learn how to handle emotions on her own. Her coaching the budding Zora through their own personal emotional crisis felt very organic, earned, and satisfying.

Also as an aside, Galactic Barrier reference! I love it when Star Trek remembers its roots by incorporating all the weird, absurd shit from TOS that the TNG era tried desperately to pretend never happened.
 

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Loved the way Jonathan Frakes framed a lot of the episode. The guy is a legitimately good director, and it's a shame his directing career was cut short because of factors outside of his control with Insurrection.

Especially given it's an episode that features the title ship encountering and entirely featureless black void! It was maybe a little too easy that the fact that programmable matter exists now means they can get away with an "oh no, the ship is being nearly destroyed" moment and still have it totally fixed in time for the next episode but it sure looked good (and of course as Wist said the focus of the ep was on the emotional angle anyway), though I'll always be amused by the tradition that any kind of ship damage causes periodic sparklers from all angles.
 

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I gotta say, I’ve been kind of middling on this season, but that was a really great episode. I’m delighted at how much Cronenberg we’ve gotten this season.

My only complaint is that Tig didn’t get to be part of the queer family hug like she was last season.
 
I think this season is great, and this ep one of the best they've done

Some notes:
1. Michael's history with starting the Klingon war should have been used as the cautionary tale.
2. I'm bummed to see Gray leave so soon after becoming corporeal. Seems weird.
3. MORE TIG
4. I love Saru and the Nivar president
5. I love the skeezy Risan scientist
 
Really loving this season. The nuTrek predilection for blowing up whole planets is kinda weird/bad, but they're using it to really good effect here for once with regards to really making the gravity of the situation (heh) feel weighty and earned. Burnham having to balance her ideals and her duty against her empathy for Book's situation is also really good Trek drama. I've said it before but the writing in this season is razor sharp. I can't wait until the show comes back. Looking forward to Prodigy's return however. The embarrassment of Trek riches we're inundated with lately is just awe inspiring.

2. I'm bummed to see Gray leave so soon after becoming corporeal. Seems weird.
It's weird, but I don't mind it too much. Gray always felt like a Lwaxana Troi or Grand Nagus character - who was important to only one or two people on the ship, they'd come in and provide a little change of pace or an interesting story or two, and then move along with their on lives for stretches of time because they don't really have a good reason to stick around on the ship themselves forever. Gray doesn't really have anything to do on the ship that wouldn't feel like they were being pidgeon holed, and they have pre-established career ambitions. And speaking logically, it would be weird/bad to have them end up as a Keiko O'Brien like character who is only there to provide marital stories and doesn't really get to do anything fun on their own as characters.

I think the weirdness is mostly due to how the show itself handles the supporting cast/guest stars. They're happy to trot them out on the interview/comic convention circuit as new members of the crew, but then their actual role in the show itself doesn't quite match the marketing leading to a misalignment of fan expectations. People like to call Discovery the "Michael Burnham Show" in a very derogatory and petty way, but once you embrace the fact that the cast structure of this show is very purposefully different from previous Star Treks and let it do its thing, it's a very good time IMO.

My only complaint is that Tig didn’t get to be part of the queer family hug like she was last season.
Tig Notaro is only in a few episodes this season because of scheduling and the pandemic iirc, and I'm pretty sure they filmed all of their parts remotely. Hard to be in a hug when you're not even in the same room as the other actors.
 

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Any other Canucks been watching this On Demand? I subscribe to Rogers now, having left Bell after my recent move, and while I didn't have any trouble watching the episodes after they aired via On Demand through CTV Sci-Fi, the most recent episode still isn't up. The most recent Prodigy episode is, though.
 
Any other Canucks been watching this On Demand? I subscribe to Rogers now, having left Bell after my recent move, and while I didn't have any trouble watching the episodes after they aired via On Demand through CTV Sci-Fi, the most recent episode still isn't up. The most recent Prodigy episode is, though.
It's on hiatus for a bit.
EP 7 was the last one until February
 

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Yes, but I only have access to six episodes (shoulda clarified where my access ended considering the hiatus). Episode 7 hasn't become available on my Rogers OnDemand and I was wondering if any other Canadians here had a similar issue.
 

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Meanwhile Episode 7 was FINALLY added to my On Demand and got to watch that so I was caught up for all of half a day before the next episode hit.
 

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Some absolutely masterful performances from Sonequa Martin-Green and David Ajala in this episode. There’s a moment where they’re staring at each other, and Michael’s eyes are darting back and forth looking at Book’s eyes, but Book is staring dead ahead at Michael, and it is so compelling. You really get a sense of their inner lives in this situation.

Also I loved cutting the tension with some good old fashioned cheese. The casino goon is like Farscape levels of goofy and slimy and I love him.
 
Man, they're just really, really nailing it. This week's episode was about as intense and pure Star Trek as you can possibly get. They're nailing the cosmic terror angle of space/the unknown so well. Like, this is definitely what they were going for with V'Ger/TMP and just never quite nailed. But they're nailing it here. I also really like how it would be so easy to make Tarka into a moustache twirling villain, but instead he's just a really smart if egotistical guy doing what he thinks is right.
 

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I mean, he's doing it for entirely self-serving reasons and back-justifying his way into it being the Right Thing, as explicitly shown by the fact that he refused the compromise solution that would still avoid risking lives. They're *understandable* reasons, but he's ultimately willing to risk anyone and everything else for his own needs. (That said, I agree the character could've gone a much more obviously villainous/amoral route and I'm glad he didn't.)
 
I mean, he's doing it for entirely self-serving reasons and back-justifying his way into it being the Right Thing, as explicitly shown by the fact that he refused the compromise solution that would still avoid risking lives. They're *understandable* reasons, but he's ultimately willing to risk anyone and everything else for his own needs. (That said, I agree the character could've gone a much more obviously villainous/amoral route and I'm glad he didn't.)
I mean, yes. But we saw him in this episode, when the chips were down, demonstrating a lot more humanity than you'd expect from him up to this point. Like, when the boarding party came and tried to force their way onto the ship. He could have, and maybe should have, handwaved all of that and let all those officers die. But he immediately came clean, explained what was going on, and moved heaven and earth along with Book to keep them alive while showing legitimate concern the whole way.
 

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Yeah, some great characterization here. And I enjoy the Pinky and the Brain-y twist where the villain pulls off his plan only to discover the thing he came for isn’t even there.
 
Discovery continues to astound.
Tell me about it. I need someone to photoshop or illustrate Michael Burnham doing a chef's kiss, because god damn. Disco is en fuego rn.

My only real concern here is that I feel a really intense amount of dread here for Booker. Like, one of the primary themes of this season is testing Burnham's mettle as a captain. To really challenge her to see if she's made of the right stuff. It's an appropriate theme for both her as a character, and also for the show in general to prove doubters wrong. And the entire plot has been crafted to pit her against Book to really test her resolve and commitments. This has already been immensely challenging for her, and she's managed to jungle her professional commitments, with her own inherent compassion, as well as her love for Book. And I just feel like we're gonna get an ending where Book sacrifices himself or something to save the crew so Burnham can have the classic captain's tragedy of being married to the chair. It would fit the Disco M.O. pretty well and give Burnham a well earned excuse to let the water works go/have an intensely emotional scene. I wouldn't begrudge such an ending, but I hope I'm wrong because Booker is a great character, David Ajala is fantastic and I want him on the show longer, and it's just really fun to have a First Gentleman in Star Trek.
 
Strongest season, and I'm a big stan for the the first. And they've finally got a good balance of the science problem solving and the action. I'd say the previous seasons leaned on action a lot more, this feels better now, but certainly no less exciting.

Oh and from a few weeks back
"Joann 'Oh Wow' Owosekun!"
 
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