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clarice

bebadosamba
Just finished Patlabor (TV series). The last episode is such a good finish to the series, being about Noa's feeling about change and the passage of time. The feelings of Noa for an inanimate object mirrors the feelings of a lot of viewers like myself for Patlabor, too, i think. Anyway, love it - i love these characters.

Early in the year i watched the first OVA series. Now onwards to New Files... And then the three movies...
 

Johnny Unusual

(He/Him)
If anyone is sleeping on it, three episodes in and Vivy is really good. Robot Idol must save the future with the help of the world's least trustworthy teddy bear on a mission that takes place over the course of 100 years.
 

q 3

here to eat fish and erase the universe
(they/them)
In case you haven't already overheard the cacophony of a million nerds relitigating eight-year-old arguments, another Madoka Magica sequel movie has been announced. Like, as in, an actual follow up to Rebellion. In the year of our Goddess 2021. What a world. Evidently the Japanese title is literally untranslatable, so I'm rooting for Madoka 3.0 + 1.0: Homura Did (Nothing) Wrong.
 
Escaflowne. I've been putting off talking about it in depth for a bit now. I've just got too many thoughts, and sorting them out is a task and a half. I'm sure most angles on this show have been discussed at length on these boards before, so bare with me if I go over stuff already said ad nauseum.

Music: I don't gotta tell anyone on this board how good Yoko Kanno's music is. But while I'm sure the reputation of the show's music is strong, it's weirdly, not *that* great? I mean, it's still just objectively a really good soundtrack. But if you just extract Escaflowne's OST from its context and just listen to it on its own, it's probably not in the top half of her output. There's maybe half the number of tracks to the TV show that a similar length show like Cowboy Bebop enjoyed the benefit of, so there is heavy reuse of certain specific songs and motifs, and there just isn't a lot of variety in the soundtrack either. Which is both a strength and a weakness, as it lends the show a certain consistent feel/tone, while probably not giving certain settings within Gaea enough of their own personality despite the inherent diversity of the setting itself. But oh man, does Escaflowne know how to use its soundtrack to the fullest. I will harp on this point until the day I die, but the musical accompaniment of the best pieces of media lets their soundtrack really shine and treats it like another cast member that deserves screen time and focus. And Escaflowne knows how to do this really well. Most anime music (really any visual medium) is completely disposable, but here it not just shapes the mood of the show, but is expertly arranged and timed to the choreography of the show to bring the most out of individual moments.

Cast: The Japanese voice cast in this show is crazy strong. There are so many heavy hitter in this show from top to bottom, and there's a lot of really iconic performances in this as well. Starting at the top billing with Maaya Sakamoto. Who is one of the most prolific, talented, wide-ranging talents there ever was, but this is essentially her breakout performance. And that she does such an incredible job here not just as Hitomi, but as the vocalist for the show's songs as well, is just All-Star material. Like Magic Johnson winning an NBA Championship in his rookie year while also playing minutes at Center while being a PG. I really can't understate how good of an actress Sakamoto is. Most anime fans will probably recognize her work in at least one or two of their favorite shows, since she's literally everywhere doing everything. But it's a shame that until very recently most localized games were dub-only, because for sure people would also recognize her videogame work as well. (She plays both Aerith and Lightning from FF7 and 13 respectively, to give you an idea of the kind of range she has as an actress.) And that's just Hitomi. The rest of the cast is just as noteworthy. Tomokazu Seki as Vaan and Shinichiro Miki as Allen are such great performances that they'd form the basis for the men being typecasted through their careers. Minami Takayama as Dilandau is another one where her range and gender fluidity as an actress was a match made in heaven. And there's no better choice for Merle than Ikue Ootani, the voice of Pikachu.

Staff: Looking through a list of the show's staff is like looking at this weird nexus where all this crazy talented people from across the industry managed to be in the same place at the same time working on this same project. There's some really good writers and animators that got their hands on this project. Toshihiro Kawamoto doing animation direction is like getting Barry Bonds to bat 4th in your rotation. Nobuteru Yuki doing the character designs is heavily under rated, the guy has done nothing but fantastic work. (Y'all might best recognize his work as doing the character designs for Chrono Cross.) Junichi Higashi is nothing short of a master at his craft as an Art Director. Y'all already know about Yoko Kanno. There's nothing but prolific industry pros to work on the storyboards with Shouji Kawamori, who is also credited with the story and part of the scripting. And the key animators are a big list of strong talent that worked with Sunrise's Studio 3, which was responsible for Gundam 0083 and all of the City Hunter shows/films. And the show's director is not the most flashy of names, but I contend Kazuki Akane is still an incredibly talented individual. (Directer of the Code Geass spin-off films, the Birdy the Mighty TV shows, HeatGuy J, and Stars Align.)

Gender Dynamics: The world of Gaea (and Japan as well, if we're being honest) is one with very rigid, traditional gender roles. And while the show forces these roles onto its characters in ways you wish there could be a little more gender parity with regards to who gets to do what, I'm largely ok with the TV show because the characters by and large refuse to be constrained by them and that's a major resonant theme of Escaflowne. Every time a gender role is imposed onto a character by societal expectations in a way that goes against their nature, it leads to misfortune and misery. And when characters are not just allowed to defy those roles, but seize them of their own volition, is when we see characters come into their own and good things generally follow.

And the themes and outcomes are generally some of the more positive, and more importantly healthy outcomes for a romance anime. Romance in anime is some of the more fraught stuff, because there's honestly a lot of toxic or downright abusive behavior that's upheld as idealistic and romantic in these kinds of shows. Even the ones that are aimed at an almost exclusively female audience is full of its own icky business. And Escaflowne takes an approach to romance that's almost instructive in how healthy it is. All the bad stereotypes are here, but they're also there for the purpose of directly commenting upon and undermining. Almost none of the Escaflowne's pairings that are teased throughout the show come to fruition or persist the entire length. Millerna's husband breaks with her because he realizes that what he's doing is wrong, and that good relationships are built on mutual love. Millerna voluntarily gives up her infatuation with Allen because she realizes she deserves better for herself than someone who is emotionally and physically unavailable. Allen gives up Hitomi realizing that he's projecting his feelings for others onto her for his own convenience. Hitomi and Vaan are built up as the OTP who are perfect for each other since they treat each other as equal partners versus Allen's toxic masculinity leading him to want to cloister and dominate Hitomi. And yet Vaan and Hitomi both agree to mutually step back from one another because they realize that their relationship is dangerously codependent, they're both still young and growing and have their own lives, and that they need to take things slower. It's honestly remarkable that a show as thoughtful and respectful about its ideas of romance could come out of the mid-90s Japan.

Religiosity: There is a very strong Buddhist undercurrent to this show. Stronger than your typical Japanese cultural influences would assume. I'm not the best equipped to describe the intricacies of this. But everything Escaflowne has to say about perpetual cycles of violence, emotional attachments (even the ones rooted in pure love) leading to suffering, Hitomi not reading fate but directing it with the energy of her emotions, it's all super Buddhist.

Cats: Escaflowne is an enlightened show that recognizes that Cats are among nature's most fiercely loyal and loving creatures. Just sayin'.

The Movie: I think there would have been a time earlier in my life where I would have been extremely put off by the film's departures from the TV show. But now I mostly can compartmentalize those shifts and see them as interesting permutations on a shared theme. Escaflowne the Movie is basically what DYRL is to Macross. It's this companion work that I don't even think works as a standalone product because of how heavily it relies on you already knowing the characters and how things will work out. It literalizes a lot of the more esoteric themes of the TV show into more striking visuals like Escaflowne sucking Vaan's blood as a more to-the-point interpretation of how piloting Escaflowne would damage Vaan in the TV show. (Both of which are metaphors for how being a Guymelf pilot and murdering people is wounding the soul of this inherently gentle person.) Shifts in characters personalities feel striking but aren't out of left field. Hitomi and Vaan's struggles with depression and interpersonal empathy are subtext in the original show but brought to the foreground and put in center view during the film. Folken's hatred of Vaan is the biggest departure, but it's mostly there to take the abstract of him losing his way and hurting Vaan by giving it physical form in his personality. And everything is just visually arresting. It's still a completely baffling film because I just don't really know who this was made for. These changes are fascinating from an almost academic perspective, but fans are irrational beasts who dislike striking changes like this. Almost all shojo aspects of the original show was stripped out of this to make way for a brooding, depressing, violent film. It's almost masturbatory in the sense that the people making it clearly thought this was going to be really cool without thinking much about if people wanted to see Escaflowne done like this. What a really weird moment in history. Especially for what was essentially Studio Bones inaugural work and one of the main reasons the studio was formed to begin with.

Anyways, 10/10 perfect show, I kinda can't handle how good it was. Even its warts like the story going full-bore abstraction towards the end in very Shouji Kawamori ways is just mana to me. Love it. The film was a solid 8/10. A beautiful film and an interesting companion piece. Not remotely worthy of being a substitute for the original, but a heroic job of distilling a 10+ hr epic into an hour and a half.
 
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Peklo

Oh! Create!
(they/them, she/her)
I put Escaflowne on the list a long time ago because I respect the noses and robots with capes.
 

ThornGhost

lofi posts to relax/study to
(he/him)
Been doing a rewatch/catchup of My Hero Academia and the early episodes sure are 1) good and 2) a weird combination of both indicative and completely non-indicative of what the show would become. The themes and characters have mostly stayed the same, but relationships have changed completely. Remember Iida? He used to be a main character! He was Deku's best friend! Uraraka too!

One of the main reasons I like the MHA movies is that I really like members of class 1-A that aren't Deku and those movies give them room to shine.

Also I'm like a decade late, but I just finished Steins;Gate and man that show is a roller coaster. I was watching on Hulu and specifically did not look to see how far into the series I was at any given moment. There were about three times I thought that show was ending but it just kept reinventing itself and moving on. Wild. I'm pretty sure I prefer, eh, let's call it the middle 2/3s of the series to the ending and beginning, but overall I'd recommend it to most anyone interested in a pretty good sci-fi story. It's very much a product of its time, however, with an almost gross fascination with muted color correction you see in other media of the late 2000s which does not present very well these days.

There's also some questionable plot lines revolving around a trans character, though I'm not sure that's how the anime considers them. Luka presents very feminine and expresses that they would prefer to be a woman, and even uses
time travel
for gender affirmation purposes, but I just don't think the anime does a good job of treating them with respect or even has the proper language for the character that a modern viewer would want. If you're sensitive to that, just be aware going in.

I've started on Steins;Gate 0 now which is pretty irritating because it seems like Hulu has the sub of the original and the dub of the sequel and there's definitely some whiplash. It's...not nearly as good as the original.
 

gogglebob

The Goggles Do Nothing
(he/him)
Steins;Gate is weird to me, because I downright enjoyed the show for much the same reasons you describe. And I just kind of acknowledged that Okabe (the main character, right?) was a generally unlikeable protagonist, but that was okay, because he's a science weirdo, he's not supposed to be some paragon of humanity. And then I found out the whole anime was based on a visual novel where you basically are Okabe, and the "real" reason every woman was falling for him is that he is just the visual novel/vague harem mandated main character that everyone always falls for, the end. And, like, really? He's supposed to be vaguely "everyman"? Is this... do people think his borderline criminal antics are, like, normal?

Anyway, I enjoyed the anime, but I am downright afraid of playing the game. Like, I do not want to see the narrative hoops involved in that one.
 

Peklo

Oh! Create!
(they/them, she/her)
This is not a personal accusation or indictment of anyone's person for having done so/doing so in the future, but: don't fucking interact with Steins;Gate in any fashion. It's one of the most bigoted, hateful media creations I've ever come across and no good can come of it. I don't know how the anime is and whether it differs to any meaningful degree (I doubt it), but it's the kind of work that in its original visual novel form gets regularly recommended as an unmissable, genre-defining work, and maybe that's true, if you detest an entire medium. It's unrepentant shit.
 

Alixsar

The Shogun of Harlem
(He/him)
Been doing a rewatch/catchup of My Hero Academia and the early episodes sure are 1) good and 2) a weird combination of both indicative and completely non-indicative of what the show would become. The themes and characters have mostly stayed the same, but relationships have changed completely. Remember Iida? He used to be a main character! He was Deku's best friend! Uraraka too!
IMO the show has kinda always been all over the place in terms of who's important and even just it's general structure. Remember, the entire show is Adult Deku narrating to us about how he became the #1 hero. When you think about it that way, a lot of scenes just don't make any sense at all.

That said, I love it still because the show has a lot of heart and everyone is likeable. Well, Mineta. I don't have the same problem with him that others do, though I understand why people would hate him. I just kinda ignore it.
 

ThornGhost

lofi posts to relax/study to
(he/him)
This is not a personal accusation or indictment of anyone's person for having done so/doing so in the future, but: don't fucking interact with Steins;Gate in any fashion. It's one of the most bigoted, hateful media creations I've ever come across and no good can come of it. I don't know how the anime is and whether it differs to any meaningful degree (I doubt it), but it's the kind of work that in its original visual novel form gets regularly recommended as an unmissable, genre-defining work, and maybe that's true, if you detest an entire medium. It's unrepentant shit.

Sorry, if there's some well-known outcry about the show, I wasn't aware of it. I didn't mean to harm anyone. I was just looking for lists of recommended streamable anime and the show ranked highly and I hadn't seen it so I just watched it. In a lot of ways, it seems less skeezy than most anime. I'm open to thinking that I'm downplaying the severity of the trans issues, but I could see that story going in worse directions than it actually did. If anyone has any reading about it, I'd love to see it.
 

clarice

bebadosamba
I watched three or four minutes of Steins Gate and stopped. The science is so bad in this. As a physics teacher, i hate the 'over the top scientist' stereotype, too. Just sharing my personal experience.

The science is so bad in anime, usually. Because of this i'm curious to see Godzilla S.P. since Wisteria wrote that it has someone with a physics background writing it. Ah, i never did watch Space Dandy too, i think i'll give it a shot after finishing Patlabor.
 
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Zef

Find Your Reason
(He/Him)
Anyways, 10/10 perfect show, I kinda can't handle how good it was. Even its warts like the story going full-bore abstraction towards the end in very Shouji Kawamori ways is just mana to me. Love it. The film was a solid 8/10. A beautiful film and an interesting companion piece. Not remotely worthy of being a substitute for the original, but a heroic job of distilling a 10+ hr epic into an hour and a half.

Plus any show that has Isaac Newton living in a hyper-magitek empire and manipulating people's fates left and right to result in dramatic shock scenes straight out of a Latin American telenovela is automatically cool.

Is this available for streaming? My DVD boxset is warm and snug in my parents' house 3000 miles away.
 

R.R. Bigman

Coolest Guy
Been doing a rewatch/catchup of My Hero Academia and the early episodes sure are 1) good and 2) a weird combination of both indicative and completely non-indicative of what the show would become. The themes and characters have mostly stayed the same, but relationships have changed completely. Remember Iida? He used to be a main character! He was Deku's best friend! Uraraka too!
On the plus side, we get a lot more Dark Shadow and Red Riot than in the opening arcs.
 
The science is so bad in anime, usually. Because of this i'm curious to see Godzilla S.P. since Wisteria wrote that it has someone with a physics background writing it. Ah, i never did watch Space Dandy too, i think i'll give it a shot after finishing Patlabor.

EnJoe Toh (the writer) did an undergrad in physics, but his grad research is I think more on the intersection of physics/mathematics and language, and also he does/did computer programming but I think that was more of just a dayjob, although he does make use of it in his work. I haven't seen Godzilla S.P. yet, but from what I've read of his novels he's more into abstract mathematical concepts and the thematics of language/logic (both human and programming) than physics in a traditional sense.
 
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Sorry, if there's some well-known outcry about the show, I wasn't aware of it.
There actually isn't, unfortunately. I'd say that, charitably, most anime fans are on the young side, aren't accustomed to questioning their media or doing critical reading of what they consume (and generally lack the training to do so), and generally just accept things at face value. Steins;Gate was hot shit for the first several years after the first anime came out, and got near universal praise from weebs. It doesn't help either that the active discourse surrounding weeby things in general is extremely dominated by the cis-male perspective, and all other voices are either drowned out, intimated into silence, or actively suppressed. (Things seem a little better in this respect lately from what I can gather, esp on places like twitter, but I don't actively engage with hellbirdsite and try to detach myself from anime fandom as much as possible these days.)

I hate the show with the burning passion of a thousand suns. As Peklo said, it is a downright hateful show at times. The women in the show are vague caricatures of people with zero agency and intelligence. They are not people, they are pokemon with tits for the MC to collect. They trip over themselves for the privilege of being around one of the most unlikable and misogynistic main characters I can remember, who does nothing but leer at and insult these women. And the show pretty much delights in torturing all of the women here ad nauseum for cheap, laughable excuses for pathos all so the main character can feel really really really sad. I watched it as it was broadcasting, and it was probably the first anime that I ever hate-watched.

Another similarly problematic and popular show that shares a similar formula of the above is Re:Zero. Which at times would make Steins;Gate blush with how aggressively misogynistic it is. At least in that show, the main character is also sadistically tortured just as much as the women are.

Plus any show that has Isaac Newton living in a hyper-magitek empire and manipulating people's fates left and right to result in dramatic shock scenes straight out of a Latin American telenovela is automatically cool.

Is this available for streaming? My DVD boxset is warm and snug in my parents' house 3000 miles away.
It's only streaming on Funimation, and a la carte on Amazon. At the price per episode on Amazon, you might as well just buy the BDs. (I just picked them up for ~$50usd.) Funimation you can watch the show remastered and for free, but only the dubbed version. If you want to watch it subbed, you have to either pay for a Funi subscription, or have a digital download key like the one I was giving away. The new dub seems pretty competent from what I've seen, and if you're not adverse to or prefer dubs it's certainly a choice.


But IMO the voice acting in Japanese is really really good stuff done by some of the best in the industry, and that would be the way I'd recommend. A Funimation premium subscription is $6/mo. (They've got a lot of good classics on there too, other than just this. They've got all of Ranma remastered on it, for example.)
The science is so bad in anime, usually. Because of this i'm curious to see Godzilla S.P. since Wisteria wrote that it has someone with a physics background writing it. Ah, i never did watch Space Dandy too, i think i'll give it a shot after finishing Patlabor.
Oh, let me be clear for a moment. There's still tons of impossible scifi stuff in Godzilla S.P. But it's described with a scientific literacy that makes things sound more plausible than your typical TV writer.
 

clarice

bebadosamba
Oh, let me be clear for a moment. There's still tons of impossible scifi stuff in Godzilla S.P. But it's described with a scientific literacy that makes things sound more plausible than your typical TV writer.

My problem is when writers try to make their idea sound plausible/be inspired by actual science but they clearly don't understand anything about it. Another example is Crest of the Stars* and Evangelion (the usage of 'Dirac sea' comes to mind).

A tangent thought: all of this is kinda weird to me. Sometimes the physics of a fictional world is not similar to the physics of our world at all, but it feels like actual physics. It has that flavor. Like with Ursula Le Guin's The Dispossessed.

* Ah, and i like Crest of the Stars! My heart ocasionally ignores bad science fiction and bad politics (it's hard not to think that the author of Crest of the Stars is totally okay with colonialism).

EnJoe Toh (the writer) did an undergrad in physics, but his grad research is I think more on the intersection of physics/mathematics and language, and also he does/did computer programming but I think that was more of just a dayjob, although he does make use of it in his work. I haven't seen Godzilla S.P. yet, but from what I've read of his novels he's more into abstract mathematical concepts and the thematics of language/logic (both human and programming) than physics in a traditional sense.

Ah, i see. That sounds interesting. Thanks for the info!
 

Zef

Find Your Reason
(He/Him)
Another similarly problematic and popular show that shares a similar formula of the above is Re:Zero. Which at times would make Steins;Gate blush with how aggressively misogynistic it is. At least in that show, the main character is also sadistically tortured just as much as the women are.

Anime Twitter and YT et al keep recommending this one to me and I'm now glad I haven't gone near it. And I{m pretty sure Steins is contemporary to the *Monogatari shows, too.

Are all the ";" shows related? I thought I had heard good things/saw an interesting trailer about Robotics;Notes?
 

FelixSH

(He/Him)
I'm just glad to know that I don't need to watch Steins Gate. Thanks for the warnings.
Also, I guess I need to rewatch Escaflowne. Haven't even thought of that show for, uh, 15 years, or so, when it was shown on, uh, MTV(?).
 

Kirin

Summon for hire
(he/him)
Are all the ";" shows related? I thought I had heard good things/saw an interesting trailer about Robotics;Notes?

Apparently they're all loosely connected, but I watched Robotics;Notes long ago without having seen any of Steins and it was definitely stand-alone enough (and didn't seem nearly as objectionable, but again, it was quite a while ago so I can't promise there wasn't any icky stuff that just didn't stick with me).
 
Are all the ";" shows related? I thought I had heard good things/saw an interesting trailer about Robotics;Notes?
They're "related" in only the loosest of terms. 5pb (the video game company responsible for the original VNs) had an initiative a while back for making sci-fi visual novels that loosely shared the same setting and some themes, but they're made by completely different people and share pretty much nothing in common. The shows themselves are also made by completely different people and share nothing in common as well.

I watched the first few episodes of Robotics;Notes back when it was airing and then dropped it out of pure boredom. So I can't really say much about it personally, especially when I've basically forgotten almost everything about it. But I've sat through so much boring/awful anime that I feel like if it was boring enough for me to drop, it must have been pretty bad. But to also be fair to it, I was heavily predisposed against the show from the onset, knowing it shared a basic lineage with Steins;Gate. Which might be a top5 most hated anime of mine.

Anime Twitter and YT et al keep recommending this one to me and I'm now glad I haven't gone near it.
I think there's probably more for the average TTer to get something out of Re:Zero vs Steins;Gate, because at the very least there's a lot of dramatic twists and turns that are generally amusing. And it's a lot more enjoyable show to hate-watch because it's always great to watch the main character get brutally murdered ad nauseum. But it's loaded with so much problematic baggage that most people here would have an aneurism over how cringeworthy it often is.
 

Peklo

Oh! Create!
(they/them, she/her)
All the semicolon "science adventure" bullshit shares, in VN source material form, a creative lead and head writer in Chiyomaru Shikura, and as his regular scenario writing partner Naotaka Hayashi, who was also the lead writer on the similarly time loop-concerned and misogynistic Bravely Default. If you've bounced off previously, or if one work of theirs sounds unappealing to you based on information shared, I don't see a reason to give the benefit of the doubt to any others. They have a formula they stick to, which earns them a following, leading to those constant recommendations from those invested in their work.
 

conchobhar

What's Shenmue?
Just finished Patlabor (TV series). The last episode is such a good finish to the series, being about Noa's feeling about change and the passage of time. The feelings of Noa for an inanimate object mirrors the feelings of a lot of viewers like myself for Patlabor, too, i think. Anyway, love it - i love these characters.

Early in the year i watched the first OVA series. Now onwards to New Files... And then the three movies...
Glad you enjoyed it! Patlabor on Television seems like a somewhat overlooked part of the franchise— I guess because it isn't a standout in the same way as the OVA or movies— but I loved it dearly. The length of it really lets it explore the setting and world, and the mundanity of it all, to a much greater degree than the OVA allowed— and it's just wonderful to see just how many situations the patlabors find themselves in. The highlight, to me, is the episode where they deal with the insurance inspector, because of course that's something the operator of a giant robot would have to deal with.
 

clarice

bebadosamba
Yes, that's a wonderful episode, haha. It's so fun seeing these characters interacting with one another - taking people to drink together so they can make amends, waiting for the food to arrive, saying goodbye to a colleague, etc. Like you said, mundane stuff!

It's not afraid to be weird, too, with monsters and ghosts, hahaha. I had forgotten how many episodes they actually try to be a little scary - like someone telling a scary story, haha.
 

Alixsar

The Shogun of Harlem
(He/him)
Man, make sure to check the box if you had "gets rape-y" on your Cells at Work! Code Black Bingo Card. Cuz yeah...wasn't expecting that!

Edit: The Internet says there's...EIGHT spin offs for Cells at Work??! And there's a Covid special coming soon?!!? What in the world...
 
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For all the reasons you guys discussed, Patlabor on Television is the definitive version of Patlabor to me. The length and wide range of the types of stories it tells just allows for a more thorough exploration of the characters, setting, and themes. It's also generally an upbeat and positive show, versus the original OVAs and the films that get a touch too serious for my tastes. There's also just... more of it! For a thing I like, I generally enjoy having more of that thing. And versus the other animated entries to the franchise, it's the one that focuses on Noa the most and explores her character the best. Which is, you know, pretty dope since Izumi is one of the best protagonists there is in anime, never mind one that's female. Every time a Gundam continually won't let a female pilot be the main lead because muh plamo sales, I keep thinking about how Patlabor is now over 30 years old and it proved that fucking dumbass caveman mentality wrong decades ago.

I put Escaflowne on the list a long time ago because I respect the noses and robots with capes.
I meant to respond to this earlier and didn't. Does this mean you've got it on a to watch list? Or that it's already on a personal merit list of yours.

The noses and character/mecha designs in general are indeed really really good. I generally don't like looking back on time periods with irrational fondness as somehow being better than now. But big ole honkers in anime is something I miss, and was a thing you used to see more of but largely died out with the passing of the 90s.

Noses in anime in general are a really interesting topic to me actually, as they're kind of this microcosm for broader meta trends in anime/manga over time. Drawing bigger noses on characters used to be one of the ways anime/manga used to code beauty, especially in shojo material. (Same with other exaggerated body features like broad shoulders, tall/lanky statures, and big hands.) The idea being, that larger noses used to historically be considered attractive in Japanese society, on account of how rare and exotic they were considered in a society where noses on average run fairly small and flat. Part of that was just always there and an inherent novelty in something rare, but another big part of that is just an innate increasing international awareness in the post-war period as Japanese society opened up and was flooded with Western media and Western/white ideas of beauty. Which on the one hand, is actually kind of a toxic occurrence for Japanese society itself, since it's one of those things associated with cultural imperialism and the soft bigotry of unrealistic body images onto a society that doesn't fit those molds. There's pretty interesting/horrifying data how the average cup-size of women in Japan rose significantly post-war as large voluptuous breasts weren't traditionally attractive in Japanese society, but became more and more the ideal and thus socially selected for post-war.

And it's just interesting to me that this trend of larger and larger noses on anime/manga characters kind of peaked in the 90s. And I don't think it's a coincidence that the 90s was also the peak of broad narrative trends in anime/manga that actively sought influences from foreign media and included many adaptations of foreign stories, or including foreigners and foreign lands into their media. In the 80s and earlier, most people who made anime, went to school for various other subject matter and just kind of ended up in animation by accident. The old guard of animators like Miyazaki and Tomino were very well read, broadly educated folks who almost fetishized international cultures and packed their works with their influences. They were a generation that grew up in an open, increasingly cosmopolitan Japan newly filled with foreigners bringing all kinds of cultural influences with them that was previously closed off to the average Japanese citizen during and before the war. But then the 80s and 90s happened, and suddenly you're getting more and more people joining the animation industry specifically because they grew up as fans of anime that they watched on tv and in theaters. Guys like Kawamori and Anno exemplify this generation, who got their start wanting to make shows like the kinds they worshiped as children. They're still worldly and interested in the same things their heroes/seinors were, but their first and foremost desires is to simply make things like those other things they like, and filled with stuff *they* like, like tits and ass. And by the 00s, you've got an even newer wave of animators gaining traction and influence in the industry who grew up on anime as this unique Japanese expression, and focusing more and more inward towards insular and local experiences. Anime in the 00s begins being even more focused on Japanese settings, with mainly Japanese characters as its creators aim to become animators from the outset and only really are concerned with anime versus any other side hobbies or anything else. And I think that smaller noses is a reflection of that as the people creating and consuming anime became more and more insular, they looked at examples of beauty closer to home, so you start getting smaller and cuter noses. Nowadays, big noses on characters in anime/manga are almost exclusively reserved for visually coding foreigners. Which is its own kind of interesting to me. Because often that's used to other foreign characters in weird, exaggerated ways that aren't great and might be tinged in racism. But it's also amusing because it's very common for Western audiences to assume whiteness of Japanese characters, but on average shows these days will go out of its way to code its white characters as different with facial features like big noses compared to the implicit default Japaneseness of the rest of its cast.

This is all supposition on my part, as I lack the statistics and deep dive on primary sources to back these assertions up. But I bet this subject matter would make for a great doctoral thesis to anyone wanting to do some hardcore research on it. And it just feels like it's probably true given broad observations of trends and everything I've read on traditional cultural anthropology over the years on Japanese society. But ya. Noses! Interesting details!
 

Peklo

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I meant a to-do watch list, yeah. I do a lot of "shopping" for things to watch, based on openings, key visuals, production staff--that kind of thing. Escaflowne landed on it years ago because it had a lot of striking qualities about it just on a at-a-glance basis.
 
So someone at Sony pressed the wrong button and Demon Slayer: Mugen Train was available for purchase and streaming on the Sony Video app on PS4/PS5 and Android overnight, instead of just being available for pre-order as intended. They've since corrected that oversight, but you can't really put something like that "back in the bottle" in this day and age. So if your so inclined, I'm sure you can now find it through some less than savory means.

As it stands, it wasn't supposed to be available until June 22nd; though maybe after this screw up Sony will just decide to release it digitally early to offset the inevitable piracy... Though I imagine that might hurt their box office take or cause contract issues with the theater chains currently screening it. Despite the current situation, the move has been record breaking for an anime film released in North America, something like $21 Million for the opening weekend, which put it just shy of being the number one film in North America behind the new Mortal Kombat.
 

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Red Garden (2006) was probably the last great Big Nose anime. Also the sole entry in the Feminist Gothic Horror Magical Girl genre.
 
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