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Fantasy Who Would Win
- Thread starter Johnny Unusual
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Well, yes - he also has a staff.
Johnny Unusual
(He/Him)
I think they are called the Fellowship of the Ring. Also, I don't know that he pays then.
I don't think he's paying any of them. I think they're all interns. But didn't he help one of them get a management position? (Of course Gandalf only did part of that - nepotism handled the rest.)
In The Hobbit, the party are attacked by wargs at one point, and Gandalf magically turns pinecones into blazing fireballs when thrown. It’s also suggested that he’s preparing some even more devastating magic when the eagles show up to save the day.
Johnny Unusual
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I think that Gandalf certainly has some power under the hood but generally is a team player, intentionally forming them. I think he could get Lavos down with a scrappy ragtag group but on his own he'll only get so far. Lavos takes it.
Conan is not immune to being manipulated but I feel like Anansi would start with either flattery or trying to challenge his insecurity. I feel like in both cases, Conan has no time or patience for that. Heck, even if he didn't immediately clock it as an attempt at a trick, I think this shit would just rankle him so much, Anansi won't have time to carry his trickery to the next stage. Conan stomps on him.
Conan is not immune to being manipulated but I feel like Anansi would start with either flattery or trying to challenge his insecurity. I feel like in both cases, Conan has no time or patience for that. Heck, even if he didn't immediately clock it as an attempt at a trick, I think this shit would just rankle him so much, Anansi won't have time to carry his trickery to the next stage. Conan stomps on him.
Though he doesn’t bandy it about, Gandalf also carries one of the rings of power, Narya, the ring of fire. Which may be why a lot of his magic is fire-centric. Though unhelpfully, one of its main known powers is to inspire hope in others (“to be a flame in dark places”), which doesn’t get us much in a solo battle.
Johnny Unusual
(He/Him)
"OH NO! LAVOS HAS HOPE NOW!"
I feel like this might be relevant:
It was named "Lavos" by Ayla, a word she made up from the root words "La" meaning "fire" and "Vos" meaning "big" in the Iokan language.
It was named "Lavos" by Ayla, a word she made up from the root words "La" meaning "fire" and "Vos" meaning "big" in the Iokan language.
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Johnny Unusual
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Robin Hood
Source: British folklore
Jovial and heroic highwayman. Master of swords and archery. Man in tights.
Zatanna
Source: DC Comics
Superhero. Master of sleight of hand and actual for-real magic. Can control reality by saying (or writing), commands backwards.
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Rand Al’Thor
Rand Al’Thor
Source: Wheel of Time
Fantasy protag hero. Master of the One Power and the True Power. The Dragon Reborn.
Lina Inverse
Source: Slayers
Master of the Dragon Slave and the Giga Slave. Hot tempered but clever and shrewd.
The spell used to be called Dragon Slayer a long time ago but that got corrupted to Dragon Slave. It was made for slaying dragons and Rand is one reborn so it should work on him. Lina wins.
'You remind me of this guy I know."
If Robin Hood can win, it's by trickery. I tried to look up whether Green Arrow has ever fought Zatanna -- because come on -- but apparently it only ever happened in the Injustice video game. I think there's a world in which Robin Hood wins, but the most likely outcome is Zatanna.
I've read very little of WoT, but even so, I'm pretty sure "Dragon" is a title or metaphor. The original Dragon was human, too. I'm probably unqualified to give a truly educated vote here, but I'll go with Rand all the same.
I've read very little of WoT, but even so, I'm pretty sure "Dragon" is a title or metaphor. The original Dragon was human, too. I'm probably unqualified to give a truly educated vote here, but I'll go with Rand all the same.
Purple
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Zatanna has spent, to my understanding, a pretty good amount of time around the Green Arrow, and that has to impart some tricks on how to deal with Robin Hood. Robin Hood meanwhile has, to my knowledge, no experience dealing with magic.
I could probably also argue this with actual logic but yeah when you have someone called "the dragon" and you have someone who uses the "kill a dragon" spell like it's magic missile, I don't see how you could not hand this one to Lina.
Johnny Unusual
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Yeah, Zatanna has this wrapped up.
This other one is tough because I'm not super familiar with the source. As a fantasy protagonist, I'm sure Rand is powerful if not the most powerful. But being a fantasy protagonist, he's also somewhat naive, so his mentor has something to teach him. So I think Lina is going to win this not simply by nature of her powers but also her guile.
This other one is tough because I'm not super familiar with the source. As a fantasy protagonist, I'm sure Rand is powerful if not the most powerful. But being a fantasy protagonist, he's also somewhat naive, so his mentor has something to teach him. So I think Lina is going to win this not simply by nature of her powers but also her guile.
Johnny Unusual
(He/Him)
Conan the Barbarian
Source: Conan the Barbarian
Strong, wily and a devil with a sword. Not afraid to punch down on jerks but spends much of his career punching up on kings, wizards and monsters.
Gandalf
Source: Lord of the Rings
Wise. Powerful. Clever. Knower of stuff and friend to eagles.
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Zatanna
Zatanna
Source: DC Comics
Casts spells by talking backwards. Pretty much can do anything unless it’s too much of a pain for the writers.
Lina Inverse
Source: Slayers
Master of the Dragon Slave and the Giga Slave. Hot tempered but clever and shrewd.
Olli
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Conan is a wizard-killer, he knows how to deal with those chumps. And Gandalf can barely do anything without help from a group of adventurers.
Lina and Zatanna are very different magicians. Lina's mostly elemental and offensive, Zatanna is reality altering / illusion. I feel like in this case Zatanna has the edge, as she could prevent Lina's spellcasting one way or another.
Lina and Zatanna are very different magicians. Lina's mostly elemental and offensive, Zatanna is reality altering / illusion. I feel like in this case Zatanna has the edge, as she could prevent Lina's spellcasting one way or another.
I know Conan is strong against sneaky, conniving, evil wizards and for that reason I’d definitely give him a win against Saruman, but Gandalf isn’t that sort of wizard. He wouldn’t go recklessly on the offensive or try to get one over on Conan as a non-magical chump like a more megalomaniac wizard might. Conan on the other hand might well go for a quick attack due to inherent mistrust of wizards, while Gandalf would play defensively, keep out of harm’s way, maybe try to talk him down. He’s got too many other important things to do to let himself be cut down by an angry barbarian, so if talking didn’t work and Conan was determined to finish the fight, I think Gandalf has a reasonable chance of say trapping him in a rock-fall or something long enough to declare a win.
Zatanna vs Lina is tough, they’re both kind of full of win buttons if they can get the right magic to connect. But I do remember most of Lina’s trump cards have a bit of a slow buildup, while Zatanna can fire some backwards talk off pretty quick, so I think without Lina having backup from her party to distract the opponent, I gotta agree with Olli and give it to Zatanna.
Zatanna vs Lina is tough, they’re both kind of full of win buttons if they can get the right magic to connect. But I do remember most of Lina’s trump cards have a bit of a slow buildup, while Zatanna can fire some backwards talk off pretty quick, so I think without Lina having backup from her party to distract the opponent, I gotta agree with Olli and give it to Zatanna.
Johnny Unusual
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Yeah, I agree with both. I think Zatanna and Lina is going to be a quickdraw match. If Lina fires off a fireball before Zatanna has a chance to speak, then she wins, otherwise Zatanna takes it. But even the fireball has at least a second-long build up, I believe and that's time for Zatanna to say "potS!"
Purple
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Conan is a professional killer of wizards.
Pretty sure Lina has more experience with one on one showdowns with other magic users, and I do need to remind everyone that while her favorite spell has a paragraph long invocation, most of her spell list is comprised of 2 or 3 syllables. I will grant though that as a comedy character in a setting she may have a speed disadvantage over a character I understand is more often included because a writer/artist is way into fishnets and blindsiding people with an obscure power set.
Pretty sure Lina has more experience with one on one showdowns with other magic users, and I do need to remind everyone that while her favorite spell has a paragraph long invocation, most of her spell list is comprised of 2 or 3 syllables. I will grant though that as a comedy character in a setting she may have a speed disadvantage over a character I understand is more often included because a writer/artist is way into fishnets and blindsiding people with an obscure power set.
Johnny Unusual
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I feel like Shadowfax would only be allowable if Conan also had a steed. And that really hasn't entered into the conversation so based on @Mogri 's conditions, Conan is moving on.
Nanny Ogg
Source: Discworld
Great power? Maybe. Great Mirth? Definitely. A fun loving gal who may be the most powerful witch but solves all of her problems without them.
Loki
Source: Norse Mythology
Witty and tricky. Sometimes gets himself into trouble but causes so much mischief it ends the world.
The Luggage
Source: Discworld
Living luggage. Unstoppable force of nature.
Tom Bombadil
Source: Middle Earth literature
God-like entity, capable of bringing seemingly any force to heel with his yell.
Nanny Ogg
Source: Discworld
Great power? Maybe. Great Mirth? Definitely. A fun loving gal who may be the most powerful witch but solves all of her problems without them.
Loki
Source: Norse Mythology
Witty and tricky. Sometimes gets himself into trouble but causes so much mischief it ends the world.
The Luggage
Source: Discworld
Living luggage. Unstoppable force of nature.
Tom Bombadil
Source: Middle Earth literature
God-like entity, capable of bringing seemingly any force to heel with his yell.
Johnny Unusual
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Both are clever but Ogg really is someone who is wiser and just more fun and can outplay and outparty the mischief god.
The second one is tough. They are both essentially narratively unbeatable, at least through conventional ability. Unstoppable force and immoveable object. But I suspect that the nature of Tom's magic is beyond the beyond and might be able to shout the Luggage into normal luggage.
The second one is tough. They are both essentially narratively unbeatable, at least through conventional ability. Unstoppable force and immoveable object. But I suspect that the nature of Tom's magic is beyond the beyond and might be able to shout the Luggage into normal luggage.
The Luggage feels like a threat whose durability and enchantment is in the same ballpark as The One Ring, which I think means that Bombadil shouldn't have any trouble with it.
For the other match, I feel like Ogg and Loki are pretty evenly matched when it comes to wits, so I'm kind of at a loss. I guess the question here is if Loki can fall for her rizz.
For the other match, I feel like Ogg and Loki are pretty evenly matched when it comes to wits, so I'm kind of at a loss. I guess the question here is if Loki can fall for her rizz.
Olli
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Nanny Ogg is primed against things like trickster gods; while she's not one for resisting temptation, she could probably find a way to enjoy the experience while winning at the same time.
I'm not sure exactly what kind of entity Tom Bombadil is, but it's for sure something that can't be simply swallowed or trampled.
I'm not sure exactly what kind of entity Tom Bombadil is, but it's for sure something that can't be simply swallowed or trampled.
Johnny Unusual
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Conan
Source: Conan books
Despite no supernatural powers, Conan is still in this race! He’s cut down some powerful players but we are heading into the end game and things won’t be easier. He’s felled a few frost giants before but get ready for some real punching up…
Loki
Source: Norse Mythology
Witty and tricky. Sometimes gets himself into trouble but causes so much mischief it ends the world.
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The Luggage
The Luggage
Source: Discworld
Living luggage. Unstoppable force of nature.
Zatanna
Source: DC Comics
Master sorceress. Can manipulate reality by talking backwards.