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Face Front, True Believers! A Marvel Comics Thread

gogglebob

The Goggles Do Nothing
(he/him)
His power, being able to understand and translate languages, is far from being flashy, but good writers were able to get a lot of interesting mileage out of it. I haven't read anything of the stuff after his resurrection, but apparently, he's a superb fighter now? Sigh.

Legitimately, you have to understand that comics are a visual, action-based medium, and no "intellectual" powers are ever going to avoid drifting into something that would be more appropriate for multiple fight scenes. I mean, what would you expect? It's not like the X-Men writers could instantly produce a memorable, evergreen character out of, like, a dude that just sits in a wheelchair and thinks all the time.
 

Jeanie

(Fem or Gender Neutral)
Okay but they also love killing Professor Xavier. Like they first did that back when there only five X-Men. Also he doesn't stay in the chair long.
 
2, in fact.

I think the next issue will clear some things up. Also, just a heads up but I think issues like #4-12 or so are the weakest of the 100 issue run. The Liefeld/Simonson issues near the end are probably objectively worse, but they had such profound anti-chemistry as a creative team that they go all the way around to being an oddly enjoyable mess.

The biggest bummer from New Mutants for me was that they killed off Cypher for a loooong time. His power, being able to understand and translate languages, is far from being flashy, but good writers were able to get a lot of interesting mileage out of it. I haven't read anything of the stuff after his resurrection, but apparently, he's a superb fighter now? Sigh.

I think this is mostly fixed. He's currently the only guy who can communicate with the sentient island everyone lives on, and his most recent (to me anyway) story was about how he's a terrible fighter. So, at the moment, he is maybe more central than he's been in decades and actually doing language stuff instead of Reading Body Language or whatever, which seems to have basically been swept under the rug (correctly, in my opinion).

(I guess technically his most recent to me story was an abrupt marriage to an Original Crossover Event Character in an event that I thought was mostly terrible, but maybe they'll do something interesting with it later. Also, back to the powers issue, the marriage is also a language related story for him.)

Okay but they also love killing Professor Xavier. Like they first did that back when there only five X-Men. Also he doesn't stay in the chair long.

I will never miss a chance to talk about how soon he started to walk. He had built a walking machine by issue #23!



For some reason he used it to dress up as a cranky old man and yell at The Locust:



My favorite part of the original Xavier Walks Saga though was that the machine was imperfect, and so he also built Safety Tentacles to catch him if he fell down the stairs:

 
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Octopus Prime

Mysterious Contraption
(He/Him)
"Some sort pf hermit... in the garb of a past cenury. Begone! The Locust needs no friends!" is an intensely funny line to me
 

Octopus Prime

Mysterious Contraption
(He/Him)
"The time will come when I may ask them to risk, or even sacrifice their lives, and when that day comes, it will only happen if that order comes from a place of respect"

Hey... Hey Chuck?

Hey Chuck?

That's a pretty friggin' messed up thought to have about teenagers, Chuck.

That's a really messed up thing to think about Teenagers who you are the primary caregiver for, Chuck.

CHUCK, GO TO JAIL NOW, PLEASE!
 

Octopus Prime

Mysterious Contraption
(He/Him)
YOU HAVE KNOWN THESE KIDS FOR, LIKE, THREE MONTHS. YOU'VE TRIED TO MURDER ALL OF THEM FOR 2 OF THOSE MONTHS BECAUSE YOU WERE A BUG-LIZARD AT THE TIME.
 

LBD_Nytetrayn

..and his little cat, too
(He/him)
Hey... Hey Chuck?

Hey Chuck?

That's a pretty friggin' messed up thought to have about teenagers, Chuck.

That's a really messed up thing to think about Teenagers who you are the primary caregiver for, Chuck.

CHUCK, GO TO JAIL NOW, PLEASE!
Oh, I dare say that's par for ol' Chuck...


 

Octopus Prime

Mysterious Contraption
(He/Him)
It’s telling that there’s, like, three distinct villains who were created because Chuck just can’t stop thinking about how much he’s going to need to kill some teenagers
 
Have a strongly held feeling that Professor X really isn't that bad. He is just sometimes written to have done bad things, like all comic book characters. Characters I don't like? Are willfully evil.

Sometimes I wonder how some of his mind control antics read in the 60s but I'll never know because I'm young. I'm 23, even.
 

Positronic Brain

Out Of Warranty
(He/him)
I honestly wonder how much of that early Xavier creepiness was just Stan Lee being Stan Lee. Which doesn't excuse the creepy, but it'd explain so much (I still cringe at early FF and Invisible "I know my place" Girl)
 

Fredde

Let me rock you Chaugnar Faugn
Regarding the previous discussion on Cypher, I found this idea funny (from the comments to this excellent blog post):

The more I think about it, the more I realize that one of the most entertaining stories you could do with Doug Ramsey is that his power to comprehend all communication makes him understand the almost intolerable privilege he enjoys as an upper middle-class white boy attending a private academy for "special" children, and it damn near crushes him with guilt.
 
Apparently Hickman's X-Men title is ending and there's going to be a new X-Men #1 written by Duggan? I guess Hickman is still the head of the X-line and will have a new of some sort title later, but I kind of do have to wonder if something has gone wrong internally or if they've getting some mandate to boost sales with gimmicks. I remember how he was very precious with that title (they wanted to do legacy numbering, and they did at first, but then he made them take it back and un-legacy number it after the fact to emphasize this was his special baby distinct from all that came before), so I'm somewhat skeptical it was all in his master plan to just stop writing it so soon.

Also I'm in the minority who doesn't care for Duggan's Maurauders at all, but judging by fan reaction online it's what a lot of people do want out of an X-Team book these days. (I do/did like his Extreme Teen Cable book, though, weirdly, even though I don't care about any version of Cable. This attachment might even be my issue... I like a lot of the cast of Maurauders but don't like how he writes basically any of them.)
 

Adrenaline

Post Reader
(He/Him)
My understanding is that the Gala event will involve the naming of the new official "X-Men" team, which means a new X-Men book for them and another title for Hickman's umbrella X-Universe stories. I wouldn't assume the title change is the result of plans changing.
 
I feel like Al Ewing's S.W.O.R.D. is the current spin-off X-title that feels the most like it's taking place in the world set up by HoXPoX, not just in terms of setting but like it's taking the thematics seriously. A lot of titles are technically set on Krakoa and even care a lot about the rules, but they feel like they're just standard X-books with Krakoan set dressing and also the characters die more often because it doesn't matter so why not. But the emphasis in S.W.O.R.D. on creating mutant circuits to do the impossible sets it up to be an extremely natural extension to the resurrection protocols that are so core to the concept of the Krakoan status quo.

Also, I love that Ewing brought back Peepers from Jack Kirby's absolutely bananas Captain America Annual #4, a totally bizarre one-off that felt like a repurposed Fourth World script in all the best ways.

It's too bad the the second issue ended up being a tie-in to a crossover I am unlikely to ever read or care about, but like the opening issues of his Mighty Avengers run Ewing really made the best of it. I never felt like I was missing out by not reading the crossover, and he continued doing great character building instead of letting everything get derailed.
 

Adrenaline

Post Reader
(He/Him)
I'm looking forward to reading King in Black when I get to it. Besides Al Ewing, Donny Cates is one of my favorite current Marvel writers and his Venom run and the related events are a lot of fun. It can come off as silly and grimdark I guess but he's really putting his stamp on the universe with this dark cosmic horror corner of it that seeps into everything he's written.
 

Octopus Prime

Mysterious Contraption
(He/Him)
I did start reading King in Black myself this past week, and am enjoying it more than I thought I would have.

Getting past how inherently ridiculous Knull looks is a hurdle, I admit
 
I hear that Cates is good and I believe it, but I just don't care about Venom or symbiote lore unless Tom Hardy is in a lobster tank.

(Also my way too comprehensive X-Men readthrough is in late '96/early '97 now and it's... a lot of books. That's all the superheroes I have room for until I reach the point when they start cancelling books. The ongoings were already a lot, but at this point I think they greenlit literally any mini-series someone pitched them.)
 

Olli

(he/him)
I did start reading King in Black myself this past week, and am enjoying it more than I thought I would have.

Getting past how inherently ridiculous Knull looks is a hurdle, I admit
Knull also sounds ridiculous if you happen to know Swedish
 
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