Elemental Who Would Win!

[Kirin]

Hawkgirl's mace thing is at least on the same tier as a hammer suit hammer, so I'm giving the win to her.

Yeah, this. Fighting an *actual* sun would be a different matter, but this particular “sun” has weaknesses she can exploit.

 

[Olli]

Hawkgirl would win... But the Sun always comes back. The only thing she can do is run away.

 

[Johnny Unusual]

Hawkgirl would win... But the Sun always comes back. The only thing she can do is run away.

Does it? Because it's been a while but I feel like if you take out the sun it's gone for the rest of the level.

Anyway, even if not, Hawk Girl would not run away. Not in her nature. She'd just keep beating it if it kept coming back. If a giant turtle shell can defeat the Sun, then an Nth Metal mace would definitely put it out to pasture.

 

[Johnny Unusual]

It's a draw so the status quo remains (though it's possible for the Sun to get another chance).

We are down to our last 10 competitors. Only three competitors so far haven’t had a loss so expect a lot more drop offs this round! I decided to put the next matches on randomizers until I got a series of match ups where no one has faced each other yet!

Here goes!

Mothra Vs. The Thing

It’s monster v. monster as the colossal Mothra battles the unrelenting Thing.

Pazuzu vs. Ifrit

The war of mythical spirits. This’ll be a barn burner (especially if the fight is near a barn).

 

[Johnny Unusual]

I'm a big Marvel Zombie and think the Thing can definitely throw down with monsters SEVERAL magnitudes his size. He was also instrumental in bringing down Galactus in a hand-to-hand battle! But that battle? It was Thing plus ALL the other heroes. Even the blow he delivers to bring him to his knees was assisted. The Thing is fantastically strong but simply put Mothra's maneuverability and flight makes it MUCH harder for him to land a punch (The Thing doesn't really do those big Hulk-like jumps, to my memory.) It would also be a struggle for Mothra if thing hunkers down for the wind attacks but even then Mothra CAN get the landscape around him with his hurricane level wind blasts. The Thing will stay in a losing battle FAR longer than anyone will expect but he won't be able to win this one alone. Mothra takes it.

I'm just going by vibes on this one since Pazuzu facts seems weirdly vague but he seems like maybe a level or a half above Ifrit to me. Yeah, maybe the wind will help with Ifrit' flame but it could also blow it out. I feel like Pazuzu, who is presented as a hero/antihero figure, probably has that main character mojo.

 

[Falselogic]

Pazura

 

[Torzelbaum]

The Thing doesn't really do those big Hulk-like jumps, to my memory.

He can jump but maybe not as well as Hulk can:

Although he very rarely does so, the Thing is capable of performing super-human leaps several stories high.

But "several stories" probably isn't far enough to reach Mothra. Thing could maybe hurl boulders or other things at Mothra but I don't think that would be powerful enough to bring her down.

I think both of these matchups boil down to attack range. Thing has a lot less than Mothra and I think Pazuzu has more than Ifrit (but the difference probably isn't as extreme in the 2nd matchup).

Both matchups are a slog but I agree with Falselogic on the end results.

 

[Johnny Unusual]

Both matchups are a slog but I agree with Falselogic on the end results.

Could you bold that next time? It helps when collecting results.

 

[RT-55J]

The Thing could absolutely rip Mothra to shreds with little effort, but only if he could latch onto her. Given that Mothra is intelligent, and assuming that both contestants are briefed beforehand on their opponent's abilities, I think she could play keep-away with him indefinitely. While I'm not sure she has any moves that could KO the Thing, I'm fairly certain she could do a ring out by raising up a storm, so I'm giving this one to Mothra.

As for the other match-up, uuhhhhh, I dunno lol.

 

[Kirin]

I gotta go with everyone else’s arguments for Mothra, but I think the second card is pretty evenly matched so I’m gonna be contrarian and go with Ifrit.

 

[Purple]

Mothra wins that one easily.

For the other, I'm not terribly familiar with the religious contexts of these two, but gun to my head I guess I'll look at the only FF game I can think of where they're both represented in a way I can pull stats from and give it to Pazuzu on both raw numbers and tactics.

 

[Mogri]

Pazura

+1

 

[Johnny Unusual]

Mothra and Pazuzu walk away with this one.

Ghost Leviathan Vs. Koromaru

Sea beast vs. doggo.

Invisible Woman Vs. Aang

A powerful force field user who can go invisible vs. master of the four elements.

 

[Olli]

I don't think the good doggo has anything to deal with Ghost Leviathan

Sue, on the other hand, is more than capable of constraining or knocking out Aang. Force fields!

 

[Mogri]

Ghost Leviathan wins on size alone.

Sue may have force fields, but unless she can create them around her and him at the same time, she has nothing to stop Aang from blasting her, and if she can, then all she's accomplished is incapacitating both of them.

 

[Purple]

What Olli said.

 

[Falselogic]

Invisible Leviathan

 

[Johnny Unusual]

I feel like it might be possible for Aang to be tricky to catch in a bubble, Sue would be able to start with a wider space and then contract the bubble. The Avatar has power but I think only real specific kind of threats would result in the Avatar state and that he doesn't have the strength to challenge those force fields. I think he could big brain escaping for a while (being able to see were force fields were growing buy kicking up dust) but even then, Sue is very experience with people figuring her out and has shown to be able to think very laterally with her powers as well. She has too much in both brute force and stealth for Aang to defeat.

Leviathan is much bigger than a dog.

 

[Johnny Unusual]

Unanimously Ghost Leviathan wins. The Invisible Woman also wins. Aang is eliminated.

Only one this week but it’s a dozy.

Hawkgirl Vs. Toph
Though Hawkgirl had two draws, neither competitor has had an actual loss yet. Both have had very strong showings so it will be interesting to see which one makes it.

 

[Falselogic]

Hawkgirl.

She wins by default. I have not seen anything from the Last Airbender universe and I'm not going to start now.

 

[Kirin]

Tough battle for Toph with Hawkgirl mostly airborne, but since she’s got hawk wings and not owl wings, I assume she’s not totally silent so Toph can probably make do. And assuming the mace doesn’t totally negate bending, Toph can do a lot of long-range damage that I’m not sure Hawkgirl has an answer for. But I acknowledge it’d be a very close fight, and tbh I could see it going either way depending on how it plays out, so I’m partly going this way to counter False’s uninformed vote. (No hard feelings!)

 

[Kirin]

I also might’ve made a case for Aang in the previous match, which could also run very close, but Sue still would’ve won the votes so I won’t lose sleep over it.

 

[Purple]

Hawkgirl is one of those superheroes whose power set is just kinda having her STR and CON cranked high enough that you throw a building at her and she smashes it out of her path without a scratch.

Toph, while admittedly pretty scrappy, is a regular ol' human girl who kinda has stone-specific telekinesis, and is blind. Canonically, she tends to do pretty damn OK in a fight generally, despite being blind, specifically due to being able to pick up on people's footsteps through the ground.

I see people making an attempt to argue that diving down out of the air at someone with bird wings is actually very noisy, but that's not actually true? I think people are maybe getting confused with like, having to circle around a while and catch a small rodent offguard before it can retreat into a small space a bird of prey can't reach before even being spotted and beginning an attack run? Not something that's relevant with two humans (or close enough at least size wise) squaring off.

Basically Hawkgirl has hard counters to both of the things Toph normally brings to the table and that's before we get into any weird conversations about whether bending qualifies as magic for her specifically messing that up.

 

[Johnny Unusual]

Hawkgirl is one of those superheroes whose power set is just kinda having her STR and CON cranked high enough that you throw a building at her and she smashes it out of her path without a scratch.

Toph, while admittedly pretty scrappy, is a regular ol' human girl who kinda has stone-specific telekinesis, and is blind. Canonically, she tends to do pretty damn OK in a fight generally, despite being blind, specifically due to being able to pick up on people's footsteps through the ground.

I see people making an attempt to argue that diving down out of the air at someone with bird wings is actually very noisy, but that's not actually true? I think people are maybe getting confused with like, having to circle around a while and catch a small rodent offguard before it can retreat into a small space a bird of prey can't reach before even being spotted and beginning an attack run? Not something that's relevant with two humans (or close enough at least size wise) squaring off.

Basically Hawkgirl has hard counters to both of the things Toph normally brings to the table and that's before we get into any weird conversations about whether bending qualifies as magic for her specifically messing that up.

Yeah, I feel like Hawkgirl is tough as is but really flying and being able to smash through stone and metal is key to her victory. I don't know if Toph has any tricks for detecting airborne enemies (maybe sending a huge cloud of sand in the air so she can feel through it and even that feels like Hawkgirl would be so fast, that vibration through the sandcloud wouldn't move faster than Hawk herself. They are both on sort of an equal fighting tier but it really is a mismatch in terms of powers and abilities in Hawkgirl's favour. That's not to say Toph wouldn't put up a good fight, especially while cornered. I have no doubt she would pull out some clever tricks. But this is one of those rare times I think brute force is going to be the lateral thinking and creativity of a seasoned bender.

 

[Olli]

Hawkgirl is on the next level of damage output.

 

[Mogri]

Toph is an incredible fighter but also blind, and she competes only when she can use her tremorsense. Hawkgirl flies away with this match.

 

[Torzelbaum]

An assumption that everyone seems to be making is that Hawkgirl starts the battle already flying. If Hawkgirl started on the ground and take flight then that might give Toph more of an idea of what's going on. Also, if Toph couldn't locate her opponent quickly I wonder if she would build a barrier for defense while she tried to figure out the situation.

 

[Johnny Unusual]

Hawkgirl delivers Toph her first loss.

Toph Vs. Ghost Leviathan

And already Toph is back for the next round against the terrifying Ghost Leviathan! The mighty mite or the giant worm? Who will win?

Mothra vs. Pazuzu

It’s a war in heaven as two sky gods go into combat.

 

[Purple]

Big monsters! They're big, and masters of their elements!

 

[Mogri]

Yeah, this round goes to Ghost Moth on size.